RIA Novosti: Pakistan intends to purchase Russian tanks T-90

[UserUnknown2025]

The designers of the T-14 have stated it’s a clean sheet design. You are getting desperate to the point of making lies. At this point are so fixated with arguing that you can’t behave logically or even back a single claim with facts.

The Armata is based on nothing. It is a new design, there has never been any design in the Soviet Union that was remotely close to the T-14.

At the end of the day whatever insults and lies you make does not change the fact that the T-14 is considered the most advanced tank in the world and the only tank that has an unmanned turret giving it superior survivability.








It uses a brand new 2A82-M1, it has no relation to the to any previous gun besides being the same diameter. In fact it doesn’t even have a fume extractor. The designers have stated that the 2A82-M1 has about 20% higher muzzle energy then the Reheninmetal 120mm. Whatever lies you make doesn’t change the fact that it has more than enough power and range to destroy any tank.








You don’t need top secret clearance to see that the Type99A has zero side armor, no APS, thin roof armor and outdated interior, and yes looks are important in this case, it’s like comparing a 1970s cockpit to an all digital glass cockpit. It’s not difficult to see which has sensor fission better situational awareness and less workload on the operator.

Everything we say about your weapons is a lie but everything you say about our weapons is the truth even though none of our allegations are substantiated by "evidence". Nationalistic much?
What's up with your sense of superiority towards us? Did you get it from your cousins in the west who still view you as an autistic kid in need to be civilized and educated? It's all good, we understand your feeling. Afterall pride is more important than winning, isn't it?

 

[ptldM3]

Why would we counter nonsense with evidence?

The irony is that wanklogan started the nonsense by pounding his chest, he made fake claims that were busted. I made counter claims presenting evidence. Show specific example of my nonessence and disprove me if I’m so wrong.

We merely reciprocate. BTW what's with you guys' animosity towards us; it seems as though you guys hate us more than those who made your country disintegrate (I am not making fun of you because I truly feel your pain)?

Who is us? I don’t hate anyone nor have I ever made anything personal or attacked anyone or their nationality. It was Member that happened to be Chinses on her here that started the arguments about the T-90 being a “tin can”. So now that I started debating that claim, it suddenly turns into me hating China?

Everything we say about your weapons is a lie but everything you say about our weapons is the truth even though none of our allegations are substantiated by "evidence". Nationalistic much?

You should tell that to your buddy. I can atleast present evidence of my claims such as the Type99 has no side armor and thin roof armor, on the other hand claiming the T-90 sucks and is a “tin can” is not a debate.

 

[UserUnknown2025]

The irony is that wanklogan started the nonsense by pounding his chest, he made fake claims that were busted. I made counter claims presenting evidence. Show specific example of my nonessence and disprove me if I’m so wrong.







Who is us? I don’t hate anyone nor have I ever made anything personal or attacked anyone or their nationality. It was Member that happened to be Chinses on her here that started the arguments about the T-90 being a “tin can”. So now that I started debating that claim, it suddenly turns into me hating China?




You should tell that to your buddy. I can atleast present evidence of my claims such as the Type99 has no side armor and thin roof armor, on the other hand claiming the T-90 sucks and is a “tin can” is not a debate.

An image of the roof doesn't constitute evidence to your claim that Chinese tanks have thinner armor. In fact, it doesn't even show the thickness of the roof. As for your claim that the J20 is overhyped, you should have at least presented some kind of "evidence".
American Abrams got destroyed in the same manner the T90 did. The Americans aren't mad that people are using this to tarnish US technology; why are you mad when someone uses a video, a piece of evidence which carries a lot more weight than your images, to further his argument?

 

[帅的一匹]

This is how future FAAS shall look like, not like Amarta:

 

[UserUnknown2025]

This is how future FAAS shall look like, not like Amarta:
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Why are you bringing out this piece of garbage? Do you see its roof? You see how thin it is? BTW look at how outdated it is; it doesn't have any computer screen! Ehhh...it still uses 1980s analog systems because I say so. And this is clearly based off of Soviet T72 tank; if you can't tell you are a nationalistic idioit!

 

[ptldM3]

An image of the roof doesn't constitute evidence to your claim that Chinese tanks have thinner armor. In fact, it doesn't even show the thickness of the roof. As for your claim that the J20 is overhyped, you should have at least presented some kind of "evidence".
American Abrams got destroyed in the same manner the T90 did. The Americans aren't mad that people are using this to tarnish US technology; why are you mad when someone uses a video, a piece of evidence which carries a lot more weight than your images, to further his argument?

The hatch is the same thickness as the roof, so yes showing a hatch demonstrates the roof is thin. Besides that most Chinese tanks have zero side armor besides sheet metal skirts.


Here is actually the hull thickness of the Type99:

Here is the side skirt compared to T-14. Zero armor.

Actual thickness of roof and hatch is seen here:

T-14 hatch:

Roof thickness.

You could have just kept quiet, but it seems you can’t get enough.

 

[帅的一匹]

The hatch is the same thickness as the roof, so yes showing a hatch demonstrates the roof is thin. Besides that most Chinese tanks have zero side armor besides sheet metal skirts.


Here is actually the hull thickness of the Type99:

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Here is the side skirt compared to T-14. Zero armor.


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Actual thickness of roof and hatch is seen here:

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T-14 hatch:

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Roof thickness.

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You could have just kept quiet, but it seems you can’t get enough.

Why do you compare a fourth gen MBT with a third gen MBT? Actually we don't see any other fourth gen MBT except for yours. Let's wait for the mainstay and see how it look like.

The new generation tanks shall not surpass 45 tons with 1500 HP engine, at least barrel sleeve, strong battlefield situational awareness, quick deploy-able.

 

[ptldM3]

This is how future FAAS shall look like, not like Amarta:
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That is based off a 25 year old Swedish Strf90 light tank. It weighs just 38 tons, and has a 940HP engine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-01


It’s just an old Strf90 with a barel sleeve and some electronics from BAE and thicker skirts:

 

[帅的一匹]

Do you think your side armour can stop anything like ATGM or APFDS? Is it a selling point?

That is based off a 25 year old Swedish Strf90 light tank. It weighs just 38 tons, and has a 940HP engine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-01


It’s just an old Strf90 with a barel sleeve and some electronics from BAE and thicker skirts:



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It looks good for me.

It has stealthy feature and with low super structure.

Yeh, it remind me your design principle. What matters the most is dog fighter, stealthy is of no value. Still you call it stealthy fighter to cheat Indian money.

 

[UserUnknown2025]

The hatch is the same thickness as the roof, so yes showing a hatch demonstrates the roof is thin. Besides that most Chinese tanks have zero side armor besides sheet metal skirts.


Here is actually the hull thickness of the Type99:

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Here is the side skirt compared to T-14. Zero armor.


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Actual thickness of roof and hatch is seen here:

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T-14 hatch:

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Roof thickness.

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You could have just kept quiet, but it seems you can’t get enough.

Hatches don't have the same thickness as the armor.

You can clearly see the hull armor is thicker than the hatch.
Armata has really thick hatches; therefore it must be the best tank in the world!!!

That is based off a 25 year old Swedish Strf90 light tank. It weighs just 38 tons, and has a 940HP engine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-01


It’s just an old Strf90 with a barel sleeve and some electronics from BAE and thicker skirts:



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Do you think your side armour can stop anything like ATGM or APFDS? Is it a selling point?


It looks good for me.

It has stealthy feature and with low super structure.

Yeh, it remind me your design principle. What matters the most is dog fighter, stealthy is of no value. Still you call it stealthy fighter to cheat Indian money.

Meanwhile China and US are competing to build the world's first operational drone swarm, Russia is buying crap Israeli UAV whose security is absolutely not compromised.

 

[ptldM3]

Do you think your side armour can stop anything like ATGM or APFDS? Is it a selling point?


It looks good for me.

It has stealthy feature and with low super structure.

Yeh, it remind me your design principle. What matters the most is dog fighter, stealthy is of no value. Still you call it stealthy fighter to cheat Indian money.

The T-14 has a 3rd generation APC called Afghanit which is claimed to be able to intercept ATGMs as well as APFDS rounds.

Is to what the Armatas side armor can withstand is anyone’s guess but at the minimum it will be able to withstand RPG-7s just like even T-72s can when fitted with ERA skirts. Besides that it will will be able to withstand armor piercing rounds, shrapnel and IED blasts.


Here is a complaintion of mostly T-72s surviving RPGs and ATGMs, some take multiple hits. So the notion that Russian tanks are “tin cans” is not true.

 

[UserUnknown2025]

The T-14 has a 3rd generation APC called Afghanit which is claimed to be able to intercept ATGMs as well as APFDS rounds.

Is to what the Armatas side armor can withstand is anyone’s guess but at the minimum it will be able to withstand RPG-7s just like even T-72s can when fitted with ERA skirts. Besides that it will will be able to withstand armor piercing rounds, shrapnel and IED blasts.


Here is a complaintion of mostly T-72s surviving RPGs and ATGMs, some take multiple hits. So the notion that Russian tanks are “tin cans” is not true.

The T-14 has a 3rd generation APC called Afghanit which is claimed to be able to intercept ATGMs as well as APFDS rounds.

Is to what the Armatas side armor can withstand is anyone’s guess but at the minimum it will be able to withstand RPG-7s just like even T-72s can when fitted with ERA skirts. Besides that it will will be able to withstand armor piercing rounds, shrapnel and IED blasts.


Here is a complaintion of mostly T-72s surviving RPGs and ATGMs, some take multiple hits. So the notion that Russian tanks are “tin cans” is not true.

How do you think the Leopard 3 compares with Armata? You think its the same story with Abrams and T72s?
I am eager to know how the thick hatches will absolutely destroy Armata's opponents.

 

[帅的一匹]

The T-14 has a 3rd generation APC called Afghanit which is claimed to be able to intercept ATGMs as well as APFDS rounds.

Is to what the Armatas side armor can withstand is anyone’s guess but at the minimum it will be able to withstand RPG-7s just like even T-72s can when fitted with ERA skirts. Besides that it will will be able to withstand armor piercing rounds, shrapnel and IED blasts.


Here is a complaintion of mostly T-72s surviving RPGs and ATGMs, some take multiple hits. So the notion that Russian tanks are “tin cans” is not true.

Let's get the argue aside. You can send few T90SM to Pakistan for test. You want to sell or just use Pakistan as a back tyre or bargain chips?

Don't pose a superior gesture and let Pakistan feel they are at your mercy. Show some sincerity.

And don't forget to pay advertisement commission if you don't sell at the end.

How do you think the Leopard 3 compares with Armata? You think its the same story with Abrams and T72s?
I am eager to know how the thick hatches will absolutely destroy Armata's opponents.

Because the missle Amarta Fire will directly target at your hatch?!

 

[UserUnknown2025]

Let's get the argue aside. You can send few T90SM to Pakistan for test. You want to sell or just use Pakistan as a back tyre or bargain chips?

Don't pose a superior gesture and let Pakistan feel they are at your mercy. Show some sincerity.

And don't forget to pay advertisement commission if you don't sell at the end.


Because the missle Amarta Fire will directly target at your hatch?!

lol this guy is not responding after I pointed out his lies about hatch and armor thickness

 

[ptldM3]

Hatches don't have the same thickness as the armor.

Yes they do. I just posted multiple photos of hatches and the actual roof thickness. You just posted a random photos of a T-90 that shows nothing. T-90 drivers hatch is thin like all other tanks besides the T-14. The commanders hatch and roof on the T-90 is, however, much thicker and that is besides the point. The T-14 sucks remember? I’m still waiting to see how Chinese tanks are better.




Try posting something of better quality, here is old Iraqi T-72s with older cast turrets:

You can clearly see the hull armor is thicker than the hatch.

No I can’t clearly see anything because you have no photos proving anything. Like I said I posted pictures from inside the hatch and the hatch itself.

Meanwhile China and US are competing to build the world's first operational drone swarm, Russia is buying crap Israeli UAV whose security is absolutely not compromised.

Is that suppose to be an insult? Notice how all you do is insult and troll without debating anything.


Russia has many drone programs including underwater nuclear powered drone that can travel faster then anything in the ocean. Besides that Russia just revealed it is working on unlimited range nuclear powered cruise missiles and the Sarmat which will cary a hypersonic vehicle able to evade all air defences. Putin stated Russia has many more secret programs.

Just a few modern Russian drones: