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Revisiting the tragedy of December 1971

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Source is indian, therefore dubious. Any non-indian sources to support your assertions?





Nice try to deflect. It means there is NO GENUINE, HONEST, RELIABLE & IRREFUTABLE evidence to support your claims and assertions, just mere indianisms and lies.

No deflection, only amusement. You seem to think that with this magic taveez, you can avoid any truth that displeases you. Go home and return when you have grown up.
 
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No. It explains the theory that -

  • if Bangla population threw a trantrum
  • India teamed up with Bangla Mukhtos

Pakistan Army would be toasted in the East simply because it would be drowned. And there never was "defence of east rests with west". It actually mean't "if shat hits the fan hell to the short fcukers".

And hell you gave them, was it your uncle or someone else opened up after couple of drinks?
 
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Source is indian, therefore dubious. Any non-indian sources to support your assertions?





Nice try to deflect. It means there is NO GENUINE, HONEST, RELIABLE & IRREFUTABLE evidence to support your claims and assertions, just mere indianisms and lies.
It is not a military source. It is by a postal stamp collection site. But feel free to believe what you want.
 
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No deflection, only amusement. You seem to think that with this magic taveez, you can avoid any truth that displeases you. Go home and return when you have grown up.




Seems like you are engaging in meaningless conjecture and looking for excuses for the failure to provide IRREFUTABLE, GENUINE, HONEST & RELIABLE evidence to support indian claims on several matters. Using a get-out clause such as this is the height of immaturity and ignorance........:azn:

It is not a military source. It is by a postal stamp collection site. But feel free to believe what you want.




So you expect a rational person to believe an indian post office?...........:lol:
 
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Seems like you are engaging in meaningless conjecture and looking for excuses for the failure to provide IRREFUTABLE, GENUINE, HONEST & RELIABLE evidence to support indian claims on several matters. Using a get-out clause such as this is the height of immaturity and ignorance........:azn:






So you expect a rational person to believe an indian post office?...........:lol:
What post office? The site is not run by a post office.

Maybe you should read this case too - https://indiankanoon.org/doc/384143

Unless you think the entire case along with the judgement was fabricated in 1995 by a soothsayer so that future discussions on the Internet would help Indians twirl their mustaches in delight
 
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Seems like you are engaging in meaningless conjecture and looking for excuses for the failure to provide IRREFUTABLE, GENUINE, HONEST & RELIABLE evidence to support indian claims on several matters. Using a get-out clause such as this is the height of immaturity and ignorance........:azn:

Rinse.

Repeat.

So you expect a rational person to believe an indian post office?...........:lol:
 
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Dear Mr. Ali

Like I said earlier:

" ...facts and Orbat of your forces in Eastern Command in 1971 have a different force disposition. So I guess people just disappeared."


What can be said, all your officers who fought in the war, must have been exaggerating the numbers of formations, lying about the strength that they actually had, and the co-opting of troops from Paramilitary Forces, Scouts, Police Forces?


Rest of your post? We are talking numbers taken as POWs (recall my original post to you), right? Who cares about heavy equipment being present or not?



Your formations are nicely enumerated here, from Pakistani references:

https://www.revolvy.com/page/Pakistan-Army-order-of-battle,-December-1971


3rd Infantry Division - Jessore - GOC Maj Gen Shaukat Riaz
16th Infantry Division - Bogra - GOC Maj Gen Nazar Hussain Shah
14 Infantry Division - Dhaka -GOC Maj Gen Rahim Khan

That is three divisions, full fledged, at the start of Op Searchlight :lol:

So, your "two divisions" is out.

In December 1971,just prior to onset of war:

Regular Infantry Divisions:

3rd Infantry Division
16th Infantry Division
14th Infantry Division

(Approximately 15000 x 3 = 45000 troops)

Additional Military Forces:

36th Ad hoc Infantry Division
- under Major General Muhammad Jamshed HQ Dhaka Area of Operation: Dhaka, Tangail and Mymensingh district;
Troops -
93 Infantry Brigade: Brig Abdul Qadir Khan HQ Mymensingh
  • 83 Independent. Mortar battery
  • 31 Baluch – Jamalpur
  • 33 Punjab – Mymensingh
  • 71 Wing WPR – Kishorganj
  • 70 Wing WPR – Bijaipur
39th ad hoc Infantry Division - under Maj. Gen. Rahim Khan (replaced by Brig. Mian Mansoor)

Troops:

117th Infantry Brigade (Comilla) : Brig. Sheikh M.H. Atif with 30 Punjab – Saldanadi, 25th Frontier Force – Mainamati and 12th Azad Kashmir – Comilla; 53rd Field Artillery – Comilla

(that is a full fledged Brigade Group)


53rde Infantry Brigade (Feni): Brig. Aslam Niazi with 15th Baluch – Belonia, 39th Baluch – Laksham, 23rd Punjab – Mean Bazar, 21 Azad Kashmir – Laksham

(that is a Brigade +)

91st Ad hoc Brigade (Ramgarh)
: Brig. Mian Taskeenuddin HQ Chittagong with 24th Frontier Force – Ramgarh, Chakma and Mizo troops EPCAF 11th and 14th Wings

(that is troop strength of a Brigade at least)

97th Independent Brigade (Chittagong)
: Brig. Ata Mohd. Khan Malik with 48th Baluch – Chittagong, 2 SSG Commando – Rangamati, 60th Wing Rangers – Ramgarh, 61st Wing Rangers – Cox’s Bazar , 46th Light Air Defence Battery


A general disposition as under:

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Courtesy - Wikipedia


All, of course, to be read in conjunction with Article 43 of the Additional Protocol of Geneva Convention which deals with definition of Combatant & Prisoner of War status as under:

Article 43 — Armed forces

1. The armed forces of a Party to a conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that Party for the conduct of its subordinates, even if that Party is represented by a government or an authority not recognized by an adverse Party. Such armed forces shall be subject to an internal disciplinary system which, inter alia, shall enforce compliance with the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict.

2. Members of the armed forces of a Party to a conflict (other than medical personnel and chaplains covered by Article 33 of the Third Convention) are combatants, that is to say, they have the right to participate directly in hostilities.

3. Whenever a Party to a conflict incorporates a paramilitary or armed law enforcement agency into its armed forces it shall so notify the other Parties to the conflict.



But, hey, like I said earlier, create a figure and try hard to mainstream it, for
" ...facts and Orbat of your forces in Eastern Command in 1971 have a different force disposition. So I guess people just disappeared."



@The Eagle Refer conversation the other day. 1971 is still far from being won yet on PDF ;)

@Dubious you can mark this a negative too (as all were positive contributions from every Pakistani member adding to an informed and conducive discussion :D) as @Basel was kind enough to point out, to quote him:



@Joe Shearer I just could not resist!
@Horus @Slav Defence After crying about a negative rating this rat is asking for 1 and will cry when he gets one...Kindly teach him basic manners of being a guest and rules of the forum! Calling out mods in public and shamelessly asking/ daring to be marked JUST AFTER 1 negative rating has been removed should amount for something!
 
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