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@shaheenmissile @Multani @AUz

I remembered something..... when Chinese banned fasting in XinXang, restricted religious freedom of Uygur Turks... Most of the Pakistanis said "Their (Chinese) country, their rule".

So, i believe you prefer Chinese friendship, over Uyghur Muslims... Which means Friendship > Islam. What do you think ?
 
@shaheenmissile @Multani @AUz

I remembered something..... when Chinese banned fasting in XinXang, restricted religious freedom of Uygur Turks... Most of the Pakistanis said "Their (Chinese) country, their rule".

So, i believe you prefer Chinese friendship, over Uyghur Muslims... Which means Friendship > Islam. What do you think ?

No one approved Chinese actions.

I said, and still say, that Chinese ban was "retarded" (my words).

Such bans would not stop Islamic extremism.

Chinese government needs to smarten up about this..
 
And you smoked what today? Pre 1973 "mullah" constitution, what was Pakistan? I don't think Pakistan was created in 1973, do you?

Let's ask a few members here......... @Armstrong @Aeronaut @Oscar @Irfan Baloch

P.S. I won't even comment on the inherent stupidity/naiveness of underlined quote.
that comment you just quoted can be obliterated on every single word used in it.
its a wishful thinking of a Born-again evangelical Muslim of what the "Pakistan should have been" or "Must have been" from creation to this date.

the reason for creation of Pakistan will remain contested forever. both sides make compelling arguments.

before you read my weird theory let me say that I cant disagree more with rockstar

Muslims were a sizable community in the Indian subcontinent, Jinnah saw that the Western Democracy was not going to give them the chance the way they wanted because they were outnumbered by the Hindus.. first the Muslims were identified as a nation an ethnicity and idea of Pakistan by All India Muslim League was a separate homeland for Muslims.

did it mean religion had to decide the fate of Pakistan? maybe not necessarily.. looks life a self contradictory ideology.. but to me it looks like "Muslims" of India were just another race like say Bengalis, Punjabis, Beharis, Tamils, Kashmiris etc...

so did the creation of Pakistan to safeguard a big minority of British India meant that the Religious leaders had a head start and the free ride to shove their Islam down our throats? maybe yes.

Hindus and evangelic Muslims would say

hey why did you really bother if you wanted to be secular Pakistan?

answer: to have a say which was impossible in combined India and it didnt automatically meant that secular state was automatically incompatible.


anyway this debate will continue. there might be more Muslims in India than Pakistan .. its irrelevant because the partition was based on what group had majority in what part of India.


by the way my question to all "Muslims" is
(by all "Muslims" I mean the ones that are not officially declared Kafir yet and those who normally declare others Kafir...)

why declaration of Ahmedis's as Kafir was withheld at the time of creation of Pakistan? did we need their votes at that time?
 
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why declaration of Ahmedis's as Kafir was withheld at the time of creation of Pakistan? did we need their votes at that time?

At that time those that led the movement to have the Qadiyan group declared as Kafirs were also declaring Pakistan as Paleedistan and Kaffiristan. Once it was created, those cretins made their way here to spread their pig filth among us.
 
by the way my question to all "Muslims" is
(by all "Muslims" I mean the ones that are not officially declared Kafir yet and those who normally declare others Kafir...)

why declaration of Ahmedis's as Kafir was withheld at the time of creation of Pakistan? did we need their votes at that time?
1. I respect your opinion but you (or anyone else for that matter) do not have the right to insult fellow Pakistanis, generalize things, and pass on judgments as you just did.

2. Ahmedis did not have enough votes to make any difference, besides Mr. Ghulam Ahmed's instruction to his follower were to support British rule.

3. Declaration of a group of people as non-Muslims had to come from a government, and at that time, India was ruled by the British.
 
Ive seen tht goon @Zarvan justify terrorism,beheadings,bombing of school kids,mosques n market... just yesterday he was supporting isis bitches in the indonesian military thread.
I was not supporting ISIS but I am saying if goverments will fail too implement Islam you see ISIS type groups or similar rising again and again
 
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why declaration of Ahmedis's as Kafir was withheld at the time of creation of Pakistan? did we need their votes at that time?

Ahmadis (qadyanis) and their later breakaway group Lahoris in 1914 were declared non-Muslims in early 1900s by the top indan scholars from ALL [ a consensus] groups sunni, deobandi, shia, ahle hadith, jamat e islami (nadwa tul ulama Lucknow), bohra shia. Debates with them were frequent in the part of india where 90% of them resided [ eastern Punjab and Jammu ]. This percentage is my best guess. The major Sunni Sufi scholar Imam Ahmad Rida Khan declared Mirza Ghulam Qadiani as a kafir, and his fatwa [ being a qualified mufti ] was signed by more then 300 top indian scholars spanning Peshawar - Assam, and Kashmir - Kerala in south india. His son and Allamah Iqbal were connected. It was then signed by the top Arab Sunni Sufi scholars.

In Rawalpindi, the Wali of Allah, Pir Mehr Ali Shah, one of the latter great Sufi poets of Punjabi and Urdu, and the top Punjabi Sunni Scholar, declared Mirza Ghulam Qadiani to be a kafir earlier than Imam Ahmad Rida Khan. His resting place is in Golra Sharif. He was the champion against the qadiani movement. It is due to him that Kashmiris were educated about the qadyani movement. He was followed by the Pir of Manki Sharif in KPK [ Nowshera district ], the person whom Qaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah rahmatullah elaih met personally for Pakistan's creation, and raising the vote bank for Pakistan in KPK. In Hyderabad Jamia Nizamiyya followed suit, being the biggest Sunni Sufi religious seminary for Hanafis in South india.

Since Islam is part of culture and folk, Muslim populace, except for remote parts of india like Orissa or northern Assam, knew about qadyanis. The Shia religious seminaries in Saharanpur, Delhi, Lucknow, Patna and Hyderabad declared them non-Muslim, and the Bohra declared them non-Muslim in Bombay where their leader Tahir Salauddin resided and had official office. This was all pre 1947.

The point of the above three paragraphs was that there was a consensus on who the qadyanis and their breakaway section lahoris are. Since at the time when Pakistan was being created, the state was just in the making, there was no demand by local Muslims for a nation wide declaration. This had been fulfilled in early 1900s as shown above. Most Muslims were local and regional and followed local religious traditions and seminaries. Only after Pakistan was created that there was a sense of strengthening ties between common religious affiliations throughout Pakistan in the form of movements. Societal connections increased with the speed of information transfer. The spread of the telephone in the 60s and the TV in the 70s, made connections even stronger.

Now to the point of the need for their votes. The ahmadi percentage in Punjab was smaller than it is today, as they were almost confined to Eastern Punjab . Their role was insignificant. Even in Gurdaspur, their role was insignificant and population a small minority in most areas. In Western Uttar Pradesh, they were an extremely tiny community, and in Punjabi districts beyond Lahore, they were an extremely tiny minority virtually no where to be found except urban areas. However, Qaid e Azam, I believe, did not consider this insignificant group as a point of contention for the Muslim League to be resolute about; It was irrelevant to the cause of the Muslim League. Neither the local Muslims in Punjab considered qadyanis/lahoris significant neither Qaid e Azam. He called them Qadyanis. Anyone who wished to join Muslim league was allowed being a political party as long as they agreed with the goals and objectives. I believe Qaid e Azam avoided the question about qadyanis, because he wasn't an Islamic scholar. Muslim League had the support of major Sunni Sufi scholars and pirs. Deobandis were part of Muslim League including Mufti Muhammad Shafi of deoband, who was one of the founders. Shias were a strong component always. Qaid e Azam accepting them as Muslim is not proof. Qaid e Azam is not an infallible personality. And he was neither an ahmadi, ever. Ahmadis quote that it was Mirza Bashiruddin, the secon Caliph, who persuaded Qaid e Azam to return to india for the Muslims. But according to Mirza Bashiruddin and his book "Truth about the Split", pages 56, 57, and then 60 onwards, Qaid e Azam is a Kafir bil-ma'moor, who has destroyed his spiritual life and the punishment is eternal damnation.

Despite their insignificant voting strength in Eastern Punjab, there were prominent members in the Muslim League that were ahmadi in Punjab only. Ahmadis being educated and part of the British establishment were influential in social, judicial, and political fronts in Eastern Punjab and some bordering Central Punjabi districts, like Lahore. The most prominent is Zafarullah Khan, who was even the president of the Muslim League .This presence of known or unknown members of the qadyani movement did not stop Muslim scholars in india from supporting Muslim League or was not the reason for them opposing Muslim League or Qaid e Azam. In Punjab most of scholars and pirs supported Muslim League.

From Wikipedia,

The Viceroy further explained that since Zafarullah Khan was a member of the Qadiani Movement he had to be cautious. Orthodox Muslims would become irritated if they found that this proposal was prepared by an Qadiani The Viceroy stated that Muhammad Ali Jinnah had been given a copy to gain acceptance from the Muslim League and publicise its contents. Akbar Hydari was given a copy because he was responsible for fund raising. Twelve days after it had been proposed, the Muslim League adopted the proposal at the Lahore Conferenc calling it the Pakistan Resolution

The Viceroy is Lord of Linlithgow.

Though I must caution that Wikipedia is replete with ahmadi manipulation and promotion. Their propaganda campaign is very strong on the internet and exaggerated.

I was not supporting ISIS but I am saying if goverments will fail too implement Islam you see ISIS type groups or similar rising again and again

This has been your argument everywhere on PDF, and for months, as I have been noticing. You have been consistent on this position.

Still there are members bent on making you an ogre in fancy for their own flimsy imagination.

PS. This doesn't mean I totally agree with you Zarvan Bhai.
 
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I was not supporting ISIS but I am saying if goverments will fail too implement Islam you see ISIS type groups or similar rising again and again
Oh shut up.. ive seen you justify terrorism... so have several others..
 
Mate, that's one of your harshest comment to date (last sentence).......kudos! :D

At that time those that led the movement to have the Qadiyan group declared as Kafirs were also declaring Pakistan as Paleedistan and Kaffiristan. Once it was created, those cretins made their way here to spread their pig filth among us.
 
that comment you just quoted can be obliterated on every single word used in it.
its a wishful thinking of a Born-again evangelical Muslim of what the "Pakistan should have been" or "Must have been" from creation to this date.

the reason for creation of Pakistan will remain contested forever. both sides make compelling arguments.

before you read my weird theory let me say that I cant disagree more with rockstar

Muslims were a sizable community in the Indian subcontinent, Jinnah saw that the Western Democracy was not going to give them the chance the way they wanted because they were outnumbered by the Hindus.. first the Muslims were identified as a nation an ethnicity and idea of Pakistan by All India Muslim League was a separate homeland for Muslims.

did it mean religion had to decide the fate of Pakistan? maybe not necessarily.. looks life a self contradictory ideology.. but to me it looks like "Muslims" of India were just another race like say Bengalis, Punjabis, Beharis, Tamils, Kashmiris etc...

so did the creation of Pakistan to safeguard a big minority of British India meant that the Religious leaders had a head start and the free ride to shove their Islam down our throats? maybe yes.

Hindus and evangelic Muslims would say

hey why did you really bother if you wanted to be secular Pakistan?

answer: to have a say which was impossible in combined India and it didnt automatically meant that secular state was automatically incompatible.


anyway this debate will continue. there might be more Muslims in India than Pakistan .. its irrelevant because the partition was based on what group had majority in what part of India.


by the way my question to all "Muslims" is
(by all "Muslims" I mean the ones that are not officially declared Kafir yet and those who normally declare others Kafir...)

why declaration of Ahmedis's as Kafir was withheld at the time of creation of Pakistan? did we need their votes at that time?


How can Muslims be a race, when all races have Muslims among them? Are you a Baloch or a Muslim then?
 
So essentially what you are saying is that in an Islamic republic all other religions are to be treated as crap? Thank god than Turkey is not one. Better to be a secular Republic with Muslims that represent the true nature of Islam than to be an Islamic republic with a growing population that is essentially intolerant and barbaric but calls themselves Muslims.

Like i said Islamic republic.. if you don't like it get out. Turkey on the other example has a completely different history from where they came from, so comparing turkey to Pakistan is like comparing a 50 year old Perl too a 500 year+ Perl. but from what i can see everyone is barbaric too you in Pakistan. With that kind of mind set you are one delusional person.
 
Typical fanatic behavior..keep it up..you represent your people very well.

so now i am a fanatic? guess like my whole career went into the dump. Not too mention the truth hurts eh? Pakistan was made on the fundamentals of an Islamic state. Turkey was not made for Islam but Governance like any other country excluding Israel . So next time think before you type. Because these men gave their life for their religion FIRST then their country that how it is from day 1 for them.
 
@shaheenmissile @Multani @AUz

I remembered something..... when Chinese banned fasting in XinXang, restricted religious freedom of Uygur Turks... Most of the Pakistanis said "Their (Chinese) country, their rule".

So, i believe you prefer Chinese friendship, over Uyghur Muslims... Which means Friendship > Islam. What do you think ?

Same goes for turkey and the flotilla to Palestine, their friendship with Israel when sour because of a conflict of interest.

Did you guys do anything? NOPE! just a bunch of babbling at the hookah parlor i guess.
 
Same goes for turkey and the flotilla to Palestine, their friendship with Israel when sour because of a conflict of interest.
Did you guys do anything? NOPE! just a bunch of babbling at the hookah parlor i guess.

Actual, real world is not a video game....what did you guys do to America when they strike with drones..?
 
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