Retiring Italian Equipment Acquisition - Possibilities

[Armchair]

There is an interesting thread about mechanization of PA and how PA is largely an infantry force. Given the global climate, buying brand new equipment seems out of the question, so I thought of a few things that could perhaps be bought second hand.

Here are a few:

PA is looking for a 50 ton diesel tank - the Italian Ariete seems to fit the bill except these are not slated yet to be retired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariete

120mm Wheeled Mortar
Apparently these are possibly being retired. Would add some punch to PA infantry brigades on the cheap.

Puma AFV - Signalian pointed out that toyota pickups aren't ideal for COIN and something better protected may help - these Pumas could be acquired for a bargain, or so one can assume.

Italian AR 90 / Land Rovers. While not ideal for COIN, these can beef up the recon sections of the newly minted PA mechanized formations.

Biber - Bridging for the mechanized divisions.

M113s - both from Italy and perhaps from Australia and other sources. Could be refurbished and quickly added to service.

Australia

- ASLAVs, Land Rovers, M198 towed howitzers, Tiger Attack helicopters

Other equipment that could be interesting:

BMP-2
Mass manufactured widely and available at bargain basement prices from former Soviet states. While India is licence manufacturing these, Pak could pick them up for pennies second hand. There is a big disparity in APCs and IFVs between India and Pakistan, this could be a quick low cost and opportunistic solution.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

M113s - both from Italy and perhaps from Australia and other sources. Could be refurbished and quickly added to service.

Aren't they old now?

 

[Tipu7]

There is an interesting thread about mechanization of PA and how PA is largely an infantry force. Given the global climate, buying brand new equipment seems out of the question, so I thought of a few things that could perhaps be bought second hand.

Here are a few:

PA is looking for a 50 ton diesel tank - the Italian Ariete seems to fit the bill except these are not slated yet to be retired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariete

120mm Wheeled Mortar
Apparently these are possibly being retired. Would add some punch to PA infantry brigades on the cheap.

Puma AFV - Signalian pointed out that toyota pickups aren't ideal for COIN and something better protected may help - these Pumas could be acquired for a bargain, or so one can assume.

Italian AR 90 / Land Rovers. While not ideal for COIN, these can beef up the recon sections of the newly minted PA mechanized formations.

Biber - Bridging for the mechanized divisions.

M113s - both from Italy and perhaps from Australia and other sources. Could be refurbished and quickly added to service.

Australia

- ASLAVs, Land Rovers, M198 towed howitzers, Tiger Attack helicopters

Other equipment that could be interesting:

BMP-2
Mass manufactured widely and available at bargain basement prices from former Soviet states. While India is licence manufacturing these, Pak could pick them up for pennies second hand. There is a big disparity in APCs and IFVs between India and Pakistan, this could be a quick low cost and opportunistic solution.

The acquisition of None of the above mentioned equipment is possible as either the systems are not compatible or are not available for export.

Pakistan has already explored the available options related to Italian defense market and has acquired what was feasible to acquire. E.g. VCC1 APCs, M109L SPA and Puma 6X6 vehicles.

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

The acquisition of None of the above mentioned equipment is possible as either the systems are not compatible or are not available for export.

Pakistan has already explored the available options related to Italian defense market and has acquired what was feasible to acquire. E.g. VCC1 APCs, M109L SPA and Puma 6X6 vehicles.

Sir any update about remaining M109L SPA ????

 

[Armchair]

Another interesting acquisition would be T-80s from Russia or elsewhere. I think this is a deal only waiting to happen.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Remaining M109L Stock of Italian Army needs to be procured Along with VCC1 APCs. We have already procured them through out the last decade and they have cost us nothing more than the transportation cost.

BMP-2
Mass manufactured widely and available at bargain basement prices from former Soviet states. While India is licence manufacturing these, Pak could pick them up for pennies second hand. There is a big disparity in APCs and IFVs between India and Pakistan, this could be a quick low cost and opportunistic solution.

As far IFV is Concerned PA will go for a Domestic Solution There was a Program for it Viper IFV was the Result of that Program.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Out of these Pakistan already Bargained M109 L , Puma AFV and M113's

Ref
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/italian-puma-6x6-for-pakistan.557688/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/ital...-propelled-howitzers-to-pakistan-army.556472/

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Good to see folks exploring all avenues to enhance the defence of the motherland. Keep up the good work guys.

 

[Sunny4pak]

The acquisition of None of the above mentioned equipment is possible as either the systems are not compatible or are not available for export.

Pakistan has already explored the available options related to Italian defense market and has acquired what was feasible to acquire. E.g. VCC1 APCs, M109L SPA and Puma 6X6 vehicles.

Sir, PA really Acquired Puma6*6 from Italy? Yes PA did get VCC1 & Mo190L, but I am doubtful with Puma?

 

[Tipu7]

Sir, PA really Acquired Puma6*6 from Italy? Yes PA did get VCC1 & Mo190L, but I am doubtful with Puma?

In limited numbers, yes. But probably those Puma are meant to support Pakistan's UN based keep peace missions. There was initial assessment that those armored cars might find their way into FC, but that didn't happen.

Sir any update about remaining M109L SPA ????

Not in my knowledge