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Rethink impractical projects, Jaishankar tells Bangladesh FM Momen

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Watch from 54:36.
Jaishankar's answer is at 58:36.
Most vanilla answer ever. In summary, he said: Look for competitive investment proposals but avoid unsustainable ones. Where was the "insult"?

There was nothing wrong with Momen's question either. He wanted to know whether quad was willing to compete toe to toe with China in infrastructure financing - a very relevant question for a country like BD.

People really need to get over their India Derangement Syndrome - common symptoms include brain fade and incoherent verbal diarrhoea.

The stupid articles really misled me earlier.
 
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Full video:
Watch from 54:36.
Jaishankar's answer is at 58:36.
Most vanilla answer ever. In summary, he said: Look for competitive investment proposals but avoid unsustainable ones. Where was the "insult"?

There was nothing wrong with Momen's question either. He wanted to know whether quad was willing to compete toe to toe with China in infrastructure financing - a very relevant question for a country like BD.

People really need to get over their India Derangement Syndrome - common symptoms include brain fade and incoherent verbal diarrhoea.

The stupid articles really misled me earlier.

I respectfully attract your attention to post #29, please read that article carefully.

That is the official response from a former Ambassador of Bangladesh to the US. These people are diplomats and state things dispassionately. That is their job and is the official scoop.

Unofficial opinions from people like us don't carry much weight and do not matter.

I don't think a former ambassador chosen to represent our country to the US has "brain fade" and "verbal diarrhoea" like you claim. I have met these folks. You need to know your P's and Q's to be a proper diplomat.

It is clear Jaishankar does not have the "right" to direct "how" Bangladesh develops its infra, or "who" we take our loans from and at what terms. Whether we have no planes/ships coming to our airports or ports is none of his concern.

It is also clear that he has rankled the Bangladeshi diplomatic community by equating our situation with Sri Lanka's debt trap, evicting responses like the one I posted. We don't need his unwanted 'dadagiri' advice. We judge and conduct our own actions as a sovereign country.

That is what is being discussed here.
 
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I respectfully attract your attention to post #29, please read that article carefully.

That is the official response from a former Ambassador of Bangladesh to the US. These people are diplomats and state things dispassionately. That is their job and is the official scoop.

Unofficial pinions from people like us don't carry much weight and do not matter.

I don't think a former ambassador chosen to represent our country to the US has "brain fade" and "verbal diarrhoea" like you claim. I have met these folks. You need to know your P's and Q's to be a proper diplomat.

It is clear Jaishankar does not have the "right" to direct "how" Bangladesh develops its infra, or "who" we take our loans from and at what terms. Whether we have no planes/ships coming to our airports or ports is none of his concern.

It is also clear that he has rankled the Bangladeshi diplomatic community by equating our situation with Sri Lanka's debt trap, evicting responses like the one I posted. We don't need his unwanted 'dadagiri' advice. We judge and conduct our own actions as a sovereign country.

That is what is being discussed here.
Humayun is overreacting to an inconsequential exchange between Momen and Jaishankar. Watch the video again. Jaishankar was very watchful to not sound prescriptive (I am actually surprised to see this from someone who is the member of a cabinet led by a Hidutva clown tea seller). Of course he was taking digs at China and Sri Lanka but it was very sublte. If anyone should get offended it is those countries.

I don't diagree with any of Humaiyun's positions on but he is hammering away at the wrong nail.

There were many previously occasions where Indian officials made inappropriate remarks in relation to BD (eg - the Termite comment) where the BD diplomatic community should have gone gung ho for weeks on end but they missed the bus.

Bangladeshis as a whole need to grow up and focus on things and occasions that matter or risk becoming a laughing stock (well, we kind of are one already, on this forum at least. This is one of the only things that unite Indians and Pakistanis here - this should tell us something).
Strike when the iron is hot.


Let us leave the childish reactionary derangement culture to our more famous neighbours and act like a mature nation.
 
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Corruption is ever present in BD as is anywhere else... well perhaps somewhat more due to lack of any repercussions but at the same time BD has never made any incestment descisions on a whim and without research and cost benefit analysis.

There is zero scope for BD falling into any kind of debt trap unless some catastrophic external shock hits the economy impacting the flow of remittances from expats.
 
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Humayun is overreacting to an inconsequential exchange between Momen and Jaishankar. Watch the video again. Jaishankar was very watchful to not sound prescriptive (I am actually surprised to see this from someone who is the member of a cabinet led by a Hidutva clown tea seller). Of course he was taking digs at China and Sri Lanka but it was very sublte. If anyone should get offended it is those countries.

I don't diagree with any of Humaiyun's positions on but he is hammering away at the wrong nail.

There were many previously occasions where Indian officials made inappropriate remarks in relation to BD (eg - the Termite comment) where the BD diplomatic community should have gone gung ho for weeks on end but they missed the bus.

Bangladeshis as a whole need to grow up and focus on things and occasions that matter or risk becoming a laughing stock (well, we kind of are one already, on this forum at least. This is one of the only things that unite Indians and Pakistanis here - this should tell us something).
Strike when the iron is hot.


Let us leave the childish reactionary derangement culture to our more famous neighbours and act like a mature nation.

So - Jaishankar's "supposed" restraint in this one lone case does not take away the over-arching fact that Indians have been screwing us over royally for the last fifty years and every previous administration (Sanghi or not) have treated our govt. as the stepchild to admonish and treat it as they saw fit. One cannot keep on taking this treatment. It is not a lone case, their attitude as a whole administration needs to be re-shaped on how they see and treat us. We have not done that homework. It is not Bangladesh in 1971 anymore.

Former Ambassadors to the US realize these as problems with Indian Dadagiri - but you do not.

This Dadagiri will not stop if we treat them with kid gloves, but tough tit-for-tat non-tariff measures (NTBs and Para-tariffs like some have mentioned). Countries around the globe do it all the time. We have zero to lose with Indian imports stopping.


They keep on bribing ministers in our cabinet and influencing our trade policies every chance they get, so they can keep us as a convenient captive market. I am sorry if these facts irk you, but these are real.

That is the elephant in the room no one can ignore. That is not a convenient lone "nail" to hammer on, that is the basis of the whole structure that we know as the unequal trade relationship with India. That arrangement to benefit India alone to the tune of fifty to sixty Billion dollars a year needs to end. If that seems childish (or deranged) to you then...

No one is talking guns or bombs here, we are talking fair trade and respect.

Regardless whether we find nails to hammer on or not, that unequal trade needs to equalize no matter what. Fifty years is half a century, and a long time.

I hope we can come to that agreement, regardless of your "fair treatment" of some Sanghis and whitewashing their comments. We Bangladeshis are all wide-hearted about supporting Sanghis in trade arrangements, without realizing that Sanghis return none of it. Zero, zilch, nada. This arrangement cannot be supported by Bangladeshis who love their own country and want fair trade with external entities.

We Bangladeshis are too apologetic all the time (and oh heaven forbid if we turn into Sanghis - woe is us....), time to purchase and hang some large brass balls for a change.

Whoever laughs at us or not I could care less about - our GDP per capita and HDI markers are better than any country in the subcontinent. Let Indians and Sanghi chest beaters deal with that narrative first.
 
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*I think he thought you have more money*

If it doesn't seem insulting as a Bangladeshi, either you are used to such demeaning remarks or just not interested to go beyond your party loyalty.

This idiot Momen needs to learn the basics of Protocol 101. An FM representing 170million people sitting in the audience with junior scholars and mid level officials will never be taken seriously.
 
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*I think he thought you have more money*

If it doesn't seem insulting as a Bangladeshi, either you are used to such demeaning remarks or just not interested to go beyond your party loyalty.

This idiot Momen needs to learn the basics of Protocol 101. An FM representing 170million people sitting in the audience with junior scholars and mid level officials will never be taken seriously.

Like I said @Species bhai - these $2 diplomats with dollar shirts and dollar ties need to learn what is what, if they don't know yet. Unkempt unimpressive looking idiot with inappropriate lame attempts at humor.

I think our foreign ministry stopped short of issuing a formal note of protest at his comments, because of the ball-less coward that this guy is and thereby chose his words so carefully.

But our former ambassador's OP-ED I posted says it all officially. I am glad to see people in our foreign ministry are finally growing some balls.
 
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I agree, we should start with indian proposal all of which are to indias benefit. This is natural offcourse... we should get rid of them and allign with those countries we have an interest with.

Its hilarious that india keeps going on about chinese debt trap.... its too poor and stupid to compete and want others to forego development because it can not move away from being a shithole.

I should qualify this by saying that India has really come thus far - only (and largely) riding on the coat-tails of Manmohan Singh's economic reforms two/three decades ago. That guy was brilliant, a qualified sober-headed soft-spoken genius who understood the value of detente and good relations with neighbors, as well as the value of opening up the economy. And India had the fortune to have other sane leaders and some excellent fiscal administrators (chief economic advisors), most recently Raghuram Rajan but also people like Kaushik Basu.

But the scumbags who run India today always opposed sensible people like Amartya Sen, who despite having a Nobel Prize to his credit, never had the ears of the semi-educated idiots in New Delhi's "Masnad". So - India, for now, is resigned to the fate of the ranks of the "forever third worlders".

Sad to watch that getting to even mid-level prosperity seems more fleeting every year - as Modi runs down India's economy every chance he gets. Who knows, he may try even more of his ill-thought-out schemes to ruin that economy even further.
 
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The back-and-forth between AK Abdul Momen and Subrahmanyam Jaishankar​

Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar (L) and Minister of Foreign Affairs Bangladesh AK Abdul Momen. Illustration: TBS

Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar (L) and Minister of Foreign Affairs Bangladesh AK Abdul Momen. Illustration: TBS


Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar (L) and Minister of Foreign Affairs Bangladesh AK Abdul Momen. Illustration: TBS

Minister of Foreign Affairs Bangladesh AK Abdul Momen asked the panel at the 58th Munich Security Conference:

While India had offered Lines of Credit and Japan had also helped with infrastructure financing, incoming loans have been declining, and it is China that has come forward with a basket of money and aggressive, affordable proposals.

It was hard to decide what to do, given that with more development in Bangladesh, people are demanding more infrastructure.

We need more funding from our development partners, and that, unfortunately, comes with a lot of strings attached and that becomes very difficult.

Today, our largest loans are from the World Bank and the IMF and the ADB, but also, we are trying to get some funding from others because the need for the development process is very high. Is there an easy way out?"


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Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said in response:

We have now seen countries, including in our region, being saddled with large debts. We have seen projects which are commercially unsustainable: airports where an aircraft doesn't come, harbours where a ship doesn't come.
Countries seeking loans should worry about unsustainable infrastructure projects like airports and ports that are empty.

It's obviously in the interest of the consumer country concerned, but it's also in the interest of the international community because unsustainable projects don't end there. Often the next is, debt becomes equity, and that becomes something else.


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Sri Lanka has been dependent on China, our sources are diversified​

Economist Professor Mustafizur Rahman, Distinguished Fellow at CPD, evaluates the Indian Foreign Minister’s caution to Bangladesh at Munich Security Conference about large debts​

Professor Mustafizur Rahman. Illustration: TBS

Professor Mustafizur Rahman. Illustration: TBS

Professor Mustafizur Rahman. Illustration: TBS

There is a large deficit between the rising infrastructural demands in Bangladesh and our capacity to address them. This deficit now has to be covered with foreign aid.

In this circumstance, all the routes matter to us. While securing loans, however, we have to carefully look at the terms and conditions, interest rates, maturity periods, grace period. We also have to explore if there are any upfront payment issues and other conditionals.

To get the best outcome, we have to make decisions based on these evaluations. Also, we have to actively search where we can get favourable terms.

In that light, what the Indian Foreign Minister cautioned about large debts – there are plenty such examples in Latin America – and there is nothing to argue about. It is not only Bangladesh, every country should evaluate the factors I mentioned while taking loans for infrastructural projects.

What the Indian FM said is about the supply side of debt, but on the demand side, the recipient country should evaluate whether we are prioritising the projects appropriately and correctly; whether the projects are aligned to our long term goals, if they are well integrated with other parallel investments, and whether it is being implemented with good governance on time.

These are the responsibilities of a recipient country.

So debt doesn't only arise because of the supply side conditionality. It also arises because of the weakness of the implementing country. This caution, as the Indian FM said, can originate from both in terms of where the loans are accessed from, and in terms of the quality of implementation.

However, I don't think comparing the situation of Bangladesh with Sri Lanka is right. Sri Lanka has largely been dependent on China. But Bangladesh has more diversified sources. I think this diversification is important; there are Japan, China, India LOC, World Bank, etc here. Both in terms of bilateral and multilateral aspects, our sources are diversified.

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Making comparisons with Sri Lanka would not be right, but Sri Lanka's lesson is important for Bangladesh. The lesson is – while taking such loans we should consider if they are prioritised, consistent with the long term plan, that the positive outcomes expected from the projects in terms of other investments are well taken care of, also the issues of private investments are considered.

If these considerations are ignored, you could fall into a debt trap like Sri Lanka – this is the lesson. We are not comparable with Sri Lanka, but we should learn from them what we should do and what we should not.

The investments from both China and India are necessary for long term development, middle-income journey, increasing our competitiveness and incentivising our private sectors.

In our long term projects, the risks increase when we come across time and cost escalation, when governance is not right; and when there is no accountability during implementing the projects. It becomes risky when we cannot go through the negotiations and implementations properly.

We have seen that some of our project costs are increasing. As a result, we will have to pay extra tolls, our service charge will increase and our private sector will lose competitiveness. So, we should be careful that these projects are implemented with good governance, with accountability and transparency.

If we are not careful enough, we will not have the returns we expect in terms of internal rate of return (IRR), financial return and economic rate of return.

Since these are a huge amount of money, debt servicing is essential. If our returns are good, we can ensure debt servicing. Bangladesh's debt servicing, outstanding total debt as a percentage of the GDP are still at a tolerant level.

But now we are taking a lot of loans since there is demand in the economy. We have to be alert because the loan costs are high because of our middle-income journey.

For example, we used to receive the World Bank loan at 0.75 percent. Now Bangladesh is not an IDA [International Development Association] country. It is now a blended country – blending of concessional and non-concessional loans.

After a few years, it will become a non-concessional country. Our cost of borrowing will increase. So we have to be careful so that we can mitigate the risk factors. If we are careful enough, we can avoid debt traps like Sri Lanka.

In terms of the Indian LOC, we have the issues of procurement, infrastructural development, connectivity, capacity building, etc. Here the implementation is getting delayed. The first line of credit was in 2010, the second in 2015 and the third in 2018. But till now only a part of the first and second LOC have been implemented.

We had big hopes with Ashuganj International River Port that will connect North East, Aratola etc. But we couldn't develop it yet.

As a result, we are being deprived of the returns that we might have. Also, we needed to implement the motor vehicle agreement.

See we have a coastal shipping agreement, but we cannot implement the LOCs in accordance with these good policy initiatives.

I believe that this is a large weakness in Bangladesh-India LOC. Although there is a high-level commission to address these issues, we don't see any tangible acceleration yet. And if they are not accelerated, the costs of the projects will increase as it will take re-negotiation, and more time will be wasted – we will fall into a vicious circle.

Consequently, the special economic zone and private sector investments will see a lack of alignment. The private sector will not be able to reap the benefits. Our competitiveness, export diversification, market diversification and all other contributions it could make is being delayed.

Professor Mustafizur Rahman is an economist and a Distinguished Fellow at CPD.

Indian Minister of External Affairs Subrahmanyam Jaishankar was clearly referring to Sri Lanka when he spoke about airports and harbours. So, what really happened in Sri Lanka? We compiled the voices from all sides.


India is misrepresenting China's Belt and Road Initiative aid as a 'debt trap': Global Times

On 21 February 2022 Global Times, a Chinese newspaper under the People's Daily, published an article titled India's 'debt trap' slandering against Chinese BRI aid is laughable written by Wang Yi.

Here is an excerpt from that article.


During the 2022 Munich Security Conference (MSC) which concluded on Sunday, Indian External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar warned countries of the "debt trap" created by Chinese assistance, saying "We have seen countries, including in our region, being saddled with large debts."

Jaishankar cautioned countries on accepting China's financial assistance.


However, Bangladesh's foreign minister Abul Kalam Abdul Momen, who attended the discussion, told a different story about China's help. It is the aid from other partners that came with a lot of strings, Momen said.

India's anti-China forces have long played a role in the slandering campaign against the mutually beneficial economic cooperation between China and South Asian countries. Jaishankar's latest hypocritical warning about a "debt trap" is nothing but another geopolitical gimmick.

Leaders of many Asian countries have repeatedly noted that China's assistance has served to greatly boost their economic growth and improve their people's livelihood.

China is the top foreign investor in Bangladesh's economic zones, the Financial Express reported, citing data from the Bangladesh Economic Zones Authority (BEZA). Some politicians in India apparently regard South Asian countries such as Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as India's spheres of influence and regard China as India's geopolitical rival.

For the same geopolitical purpose and hostility against China, India has also refused to join regional economic cooperation and free trade agreements such as the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP).

Yet, Indian officials' political manipulations like the "debt trap" slandering cannot hijack the economic laws and the trend toward greater economic integration and globalisation. During a speech at the MSC, Chinese State Councillor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi warned of the dangers of division and confrontation in the world.

It is hoped that India can give up regional meddling and actively participate in Asian economic cooperation to boost regional prosperity in the post-Covid era.


How China got control of a Sri Lankan port: The New York Times

In an article published on 22 September 2018 in The New York Times titled How China Got Sri Lanka to Cough Up a Port, Maria Abi-Habib wrote about how China strategically took the reins of the Hambantota Port from Srilanka.

Here is an excerpt from that article.

Every time Sri Lanka's president, Mahinda Rajapaksa, turned to his Chinese allies for loans and assistance with an ambitious port project, the answer was yes.

Yes, though feasibility studies said the port wouldn't work. Yes, though other frequent lenders like India had refused. Yes, though Sri Lanka's debt was ballooning rapidly under Rajapaksa.

Over years of construction and re-negotiation with China Harbour Engineering Company, one of Beijing's largest state-owned enterprises, the Hambantota Port Development Project distinguished itself mostly by failing, as predicted. With tens of thousands of ships passing by along one of the world's busiest shipping lanes, the port drew only 34 ships in 2012.

And then the port became China's.

The transfer gave China control of territory just a few hundred miles off the shores of a rival, India, and a strategic foothold along a critical commercial and military waterway.

Months of interviews with Sri Lankan, Indian, Chinese and Western officials and analysis of documents and agreements stemming from the port project present a stark illustration of how China and the companies under its control ensured their interests in a small country hungry for financing.

• During the 2015 Sri Lankan elections, large payments from the Chinese port construction fund flowed directly to campaign aides and activities for Rajapaksa, who had agreed to Chinese terms at every turn and was seen as an important ally in China's efforts to tilt influence away from India in South Asia. The payments were confirmed by documents and cash checks detailed in a government investigation seen by The New York Times.

• Though Chinese officials and analysts have insisted that China's interest in the Hambantota Port is purely commercial, Sri Lankan officials said that from the start, the intelligence and strategic possibilities of the port's location were part of the negotiations.

• Initially moderate terms for lending on the port project became more onerous as Sri Lankan officials asked to re-negotiate the timeline and add more financing. And as Sri Lankan officials became desperate to get the debt off their books in recent years, the Chinese demands centred on handing over equity in the port rather than allowing any easing of terms.

• Though the deal erased roughly $1 billion in debt for the port project, Sri Lanka is now in more debt to China than ever, as other loans have continued and rates remain much higher than from other international lenders.

Estimates by the Sri Lankan Finance Ministry paint a bleak picture: This year, the government is expected to generate $14.8 billion in revenue, but its scheduled debt repayments, to an array of lenders around the world, come to $12.3 billion.


Myths about the Hambantota Port Deal: The Diplomat

On 1 January 2020, Umesh Moramudali wrote an article in the Washington-DC-based The Diplomat on the myths surrounding Hambantota Port titled The Hambantota Port Deal: Myths and Realities.

Here is an excerpt from that article.

Newly elected Sri Lankan President Gotabhaya Rajapaksa has raised concerns about the Hambantota Port lease agreement with China that was signed in 2017 by the previous government. Rajapaksa clarified that his government is not hoping to amend the commercial terms of the agreement.

The Hambantota Port deal is still widely cited to highlight China's "debt trap" phenomenon. It cannot be interpreted as a debt-equity swap or the Chinese cancelling debt in exchange for control of the port. In this case, there was no cancellation of the debt.

Instead, a 70 percent stake of the port was leased to China Merchants Port Holdings Company Limited (CM Port) for 99 years for $1.12 billion.

At the time of entering into the lease agreement, Hambantota Port was valued at $1.4 billion and CM Port invested $1.12 billion as per the terms of the agreement.

A common and popular myth is that Sri Lanka was unable to pay off the loan obtained to construct the port, thus it was handed over to China. Some of the loans were obtained at interest rates as high as 6 percent while some were concessionary loans. The total sum of these loans amounted to $1.263 billion.

The often-quoted "port deal" was actually a lease agreement clearly separate from the loans obtained for the purpose of constructing the port, not to repay China. Instead, it is more of a reflection of the external sector crisis Sri Lanka is facing.

Dr Dushni Weerakoon and Professor Sisira Jayasuriya also highlighted that Sri Lanka's debt problem is not caused by China — successive Sri Lankan governments borrowed from international markets despite the persistent fiscal and current account deficits, resulting in a vicious cycle when debt repayments came due. However, these facts do not justify the Mahinda Rajapaksa government's decision to construct the port using foreign loans obtained at higher interest rates.

Although port operations started in 2011, following the completion of phase one of the project, Hambantota port was still incurring losses by 2016. The debt repayment now is the responsibility of the General Treasury, the revenue generated by the port is still a vital factor given the fiscal constraints of the government.
 
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