Retaking Kashmir after 70 years

[Joe Shearer]

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@Joe Shearer @Nilgiri

This thread was supposed to yield some ORBAT mapping. Dead?

Good Heavens, no! I believe @Nilgiri is at it, but he had, if you recall, asked for time. Let us leave him to it.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Taking Kashmir is possible only need b..ls of steel and assuming the following scenarios.
a) Embracing short term(2-6months) economic meltdown and sanctions.
b)2 million volunteers recruited from tribals,religious seminaries,ex servicemen and political parties.
c)Indigenous Kashmiri volunteers around 10k-100k.
d)Ex mujahideen and taliban recruits 10k-50k.
e)Assuming the hostilities only confine to the valley and Jammu region.
f)Pak army with air and mechanised support primarily focus in the Jammu region.
g)The Razakars of different origins focus in the valley and populated areas with air support and supplies.
h)All the communication links,airfields and supply routes as primary tasks for the Razakar corps.
i)Small towns and villages liberation stage two by combined forces.
j)Achieving air superiority in Kashmir primary task for PAF.
k)Involving friendly states in legitimising our gains.
l)Politically reaching out to pro Indian elements as well.
m)After ceasefire and occupation asking UN for a referendum to legitimise the merger with Pakistan.
n)If Indians seek more trouble help the Khalistan and other movements etc etc.
I know the Generals can achieve the above in a matter of months with meticulous plannings . The environment is very conducive and differs a lot from 1965(Operation Gibraltar). Just trust Allah and give it a go. Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Signalian]

Taking Kashmir is possible only need b..ls of steel and assuming the following scenarios.
a) Embracing short term(2-6months) economic meltdown and sanctions.
b)2 million volunteers recruited from tribals,religious seminaries,ex servicemen and political parties.
c)Indigenous Kashmiri volunteers around 10k-100k.
d)Ex mujahideen and taliban recruits 10k-50k.
e)Assuming the hostilities only confine to the valley and Jammu region.
f)Pak army with air and mechanised support primarily focus in the Jammu region.
g)The Razakars of different origins focus in the valley and populated areas with air support and supplies.
h)All the communication links,airfields and supply routes as primary tasks for the Razakar corps.
i)Small towns and villages liberation stage two by combined forces.
j)Achieving air superiority in Kashmir primary task for PAF.
k)Involving friendly states in legitimising our gains.
l)Politically reaching out to pro Indian elements as well.
m)After ceasefire and occupation asking UN for a referendum to legitimise the merger with Pakistan.
n)If Indians seek more trouble help the Khalistan and other movements etc etc.
I know the Generals can achieve the above in a matter of months with meticulous plannings . The environment is very conducive and differs a lot from 1965(Operation Gibraltar). Just trust Allah and give it a go. Pakistan Zindabad

Its not that easy. India will get wind of mobilisation considering such sheer numbers you mentioned. As soon as India sees that Kashmir is falling into Pakistan's hands, it will send warnings of usage of nuclear weapons. Mountain warfare is complicated, taking peaks becomes priority along with fast movement of troops to reinforce peaks and take control of highways as well as areas over looking them.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Its not that easy. India will get wind of mobilisation considering such sheer numbers you mentioned. As soon as India sees that Kashmir is falling into Pakistan's hands, it will send warnings of usage of nuclear weapons. Mountain warfare is complicated, taking peaks becomes priority along with fast movement of troops to reinforce peaks and take control of highways as well as areas over looking them.

Indians were given a bloody nose during Zia era with scores of mujahideens organisations fighting in the region.We dont need to take each and every hill just cut of their supplies and take the population centres.I know it does not sound easy but do remember ISI did manage to take 95% Afghanistan(10 times bigger). Razakars can be inducted gradually to make up the numbers. Kashmir is surrounded by Pakistan makes the task better than Afghanistan. There can be other better scenarios but i think now is the time and enough is enough we need to conclude this Kashmir conundrum once for all.

 

[Signalian]

Indians were given a bloody nose during Zia era with scores of mujahideens organisations fighting in the region.We dont need to take each and every hill just cut of their supplies and take the population centres.I know it does not sound easy but do remember ISI did manage to take 95% Afghanistan(10 times bigger). Razakars can be inducted gradually to make up the numbers. Kashmir is surrounded by Pakistan makes the task better than Afghanistan. There can be other better scenarios but i think now is the time and enough is enough we need to conclude this Kashmir conundrum once for all.

That is why IA brought in BSF and CPRF. Pakistan did the same thing by increasing FC to counter insurgency.

Peaks and Hills needs to be taken for:

1. Defense against an IA counter attack and ability to cut off PA forces fighting in the region.
2. Thwart IA SF warfare against PA
3. Protect supply lines entering into J&K if any progress is made.
4. Deny enemy space on all sides of that peak
5. To control movement on the roads

 

[aziqbal]

India now has two Corps in reserve for Kashmir

on top of the 700,000 inside Kashmir

only way is to get China to moves a PLA army group to Indian border

Splitting the Indian defences in two

Maybe we can force something then

But its not going to be easy

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Forget about Corps and Corporals

People of Kashmir = 10 Million people !!!!

Just give them the weapons they need and they will retake their own freedom back

Kashmiri are fighting for their families and children and future of their children
Indians in Kashmir are there to beat them up and torture

 

[Signalian]

India now has two Corps in reserve for Kashmir

on top of the 700,000 inside Kashmir

only way is to get China to moves a PLA army group to Indian border

Splitting the Indian defences in two

Maybe we can force something then

But its not going to be easy

Indians will start bringing in reinforcements from the air in Jammu and Srinagar as well as push from Pathankot ground forces towards Jammu, Anantnag and Srinagar and air lift forces towards Leh.

Forget about Corps and Corporals

People of Kashmir = 10 Million people !!!!

Just give them the weapons they need and they will retake their own freedom back

Kashmiri are fighting for their families and children and future of their children
Indians in Kashmir are there to beat them up and torture

Wasn't this tried already in 1947-48, 1965, 1971, 1990-1999 and it didn't work out?

FATA was somewhat the same. Militants equipped with guns, having sympathy from local population. When PA arrived, then some ran away, some gave up weapons, many got killed. Kashmiri civilians have betrayed Pakistan in the past (1965). They will assist Indian Forces like before.

 

[Philip the Arab]

India has no moral ground to hold 8-10 million people hostage
They never wanted to be part of this so called happy india 70 years ago and nothing has changed it is 2019

It is time they moved on or face people's will for freedom

How about hitting Kashmir from Islamabad area, waiting for the Indian army to come which they most likely will and trying to encircle them from near where the top arrow is near Srinagar and hitting them from Sialkot at the same time. A dedicated push could trap soldiers if air superiority is won.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Signalian]

How about hitting Kashmir from Islamabad area, waiting for the Indian army to come which they most likely will and trying to encircle them from near where the top arrow is near Srinagar and hitting them from Sialkot at the same time. A dedicated push could trap soldiers if air superiority is won.

Forces in Shakargarh and Narowal are poised towards Pathankot.

 

[ghazi52]

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[Gangetic]

The only way to annex Kashmir is by a referendum (which India will never allow) or if the Kashmiris support us (probably not fully yet, but in the future when RSS types take over), if we have their support then we must mass-arm them with AKs, RPGs, etc and encircle the Indian army by attacking from all sides.

 

[CHI RULES]

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The whole world is having blind eye towards India and Israel including our so called brotherly Muslim countries. May be it's time to end OIC and form a new alliance with Turkey , China and even close cooperation with North Korea. In addition should go for mediation between KSA and Iran, to make alliance with both of them.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Kashmiri people are imprision by a mere 50 KM zone for last 70 years


50KM = 30 minutes of car drive

8-10 Million Muslims are imprisoned in that 50km zone
99% of them will pick up arms


a) Sticks
b) Brooms
c) Axe
d) Kneif
e) Pistol gun
f) AK-47
g) Anza


3 Million pakistanis can reach Srinagar by Motor cycles route in 20 minutes

Gujrat / Sialkot to Jammu is 25 miutes ride for those who drive fast



Range 100+ KM