Resting Pakistan-Afghanistan ties

[Khanate]

Both have been tried, neither has worked. Pakistan was, for the longest time, Afghanistan's single largest trade partner (it still is, if you include the black economy), it still remains Afghanistan's second largest trade partner, after Iran.

The routes connecting Pakistan and Afghanistan are in a dilapidated state and have been that way for decades. It highlights the fact that Pakistan does not see short and medium-term value in its trade with Afghanistan and our focus is elsewhere (CPEC). This, of course, is a realistic assement but if we are to counter India in Afghanistan then a statement has to be made.

Pakistan also takes in literally thousands of Afghan students into Pakistani colleges and universities.

True.

It is undeniable that the government of Pakistan has absorbed the education costs of thousands of students from Afghanistan. It was envisioned that education would act as a moderating force however this has proven to be too optimistic which is why the admission of undergraduate students from Afghanistan should be reduced. The focus should be shifted to post-graduate studies because the impact can be effectively gauged within a short period.

Everyone knows that most Afghan politicians are corrupt and take bribes, it's an open secret. In fact, former president Karzai was known to get weekly briefcases from the CIA, full of cash.

Bribing has bought loyalty within Afghanistan for literally hundreds of years; Pakistan should considering it lobbying, if bribing is too harsh a term to say.

I understand the landscape of Afghanistan which is why intermediaries (businessmen, traders and wheeler dealers) are ideal if only for the sake of plausible deniability and you need trade for that.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Regime change before any warming of ties.

The NA government will never accept Pakistan, and its time we seek the moderate and friendly religious minded people in the Pukhtoon regions of Afghanistan.

Don’t entertain any optimistic regarding the puppet regime of Kabul.

It needs to burn and so does everyone associated with it.

We will deal with Taliban as brothers, allies, and neighbors.

Pakistan can/must do two things to end the longlasting hate between the two countries.

1. Bring an end to the war in Afghanistan (I know that Pakistan is not dictating the war, but you have significant influence over the armed resistance). A future Afghan government must be inclusive of all groups (including the conservative people who support the Taliban).

2. Afghans have been bombarded with propaganda regarding Greater Afghanistan for the last century-ish, in order to divert the people's attention from domestic issues. Reversing the state of mind will be difficult and will take several generations. Thus, if Pakistan wishes to have a friendly Afghanistan, you must fulfil this dream. Give the Afghans a Greater Afghanistan, but in a smart way without conceding land which rightfully belongs to Pakistan. Design a Confederate Union which encompasses Afghanistan and Pakistan and which ensures the free movement of people, capital and goods as well as a single foreign policy and military. With such a union, the Afghan would not only have a "Greater Afghanistan", but would also be in union with their Muslim brothers against an increasingly Hindu-extremist India. Pakistan would secure its back, get strategic depth and have millions of Pashtuns ready to fight your existential enemy.

Over time as the bond of friendship increases, the union will grow even closer and encompass other fields within politics, economics and foreign affairs.

Exactly brother. Afghanistan and Pakistan are interlinked together historically.

I am sure as things progress, our union will become a reality.

It is a good future for Afghans and Pakistanis which is waiting in the future.

 

[B.K.N]

Pakistan can/must do two things to end the longlasting hate between the two countries.

1. Bring an end to the war in Afghanistan (I know that Pakistan is not dictating the war, but you have significant influence over the armed resistance). A future Afghan government must be inclusive of all groups (including the conservative people who support the Taliban).

2. Afghans have been bombarded with propaganda regarding Greater Afghanistan for the last century-ish, in order to divert the people's attention from domestic issues. Reversing the state of mind will be difficult and will take several generations. Thus, if Pakistan wishes to have a friendly Afghanistan, you must fulfil this dream. Give the Afghans a Greater Afghanistan, but in a smart way without conceding land which rightfully belongs to Pakistan. Design a Confederate Union which encompasses Afghanistan and Pakistan and which ensures the free movement of people, capital and goods as well as a single foreign policy and military. With such a union, the Afghan would not only have a "Greater Afghanistan", but would also be in union with their Muslim brothers against an increasingly Hindu-extremist India. Pakistan would secure its back, get strategic depth and have millions of Pashtuns ready to fight your existential enemy.

Over time as the bond of friendship increases, the union will grow even closer and encompass other fields within politics, economics and foreign affairs.

Pakistan should do it's best to destroy Afghanistan it's not needed to appease you people

 

[Agha Sher]

Pakistan should do it's best to destroy Afghanistan it's not needed to appease you people

Great Idea my friend, make Afghanistan a vassal of India and be crushed from two sides. Afghanistan and Pakistan are interlinked - we will share prosperity or calamity. It is our duty to ensure that we will prosper together.

 

[B.K.N]

Great Idea my friend, make Afghanistan a vassal of India and be crushed from two sides. Afghanistan and Pakistan are interlinked - we will share prosperity or calamity. It is our duty to ensure that we will prosper together.

Americans are not going to fund your government forever they have to leave one day the day Americans left everything will be like 90s

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Great Idea my friend, make Afghanistan a vassal of India and be crushed from two sides. Afghanistan and Pakistan are interlinked - we will share prosperity or calamity. It is our duty to ensure that we will prosper together.

Instead of idolizing destroyers like Timur Lang or Nadir Shah, we should look towards statesmen and unifiers like Mahmoud Ghaznavi, Babur Shah, and Ahmad Shah Baba (Abdali.)

For example the modern borders of both Afghanistan and Pakistan were established during the Durrani empire, which Alhamdulilah defeated the Sikhs.

 

[TMA]

Instead of idolizing destroyers like Timur Lang or Nadir Shah, we should look towards statesmen and unifiers like Mahmoud Ghaznavi, Babur Shah, and Ahmad Shah Baba (Abdali.)

For example the modern borders of both Afghanistan and Pakistan were established during the Durrani empire, which Alhamdulilah defeated the Sikhs.

What needs to go first is the arrogant attitude Afghanistan has towards 'Gul Khan' and 'Daal Khor'. Intertwined history cannot overcome this.
She must accept the Durand-Khan Border signed by the Afghan King who betrayed a part of the Afghan [Pukhtoon] people to British India and thence to Pakistan.

It will have to get a lot worse before it gets better... NATO has to leave before....

Great Idea my friend, make Afghanistan a vassal of India and be crushed from two sides. Afghanistan and Pakistan are interlinked - we will share prosperity or calamity. It is our duty to ensure that we will prosper together.

Right now Afghanistan is a vassal of Bharat and NATO. It has been since 2001.

 

[Kabira]

Pakistan can/must do two things to end the longlasting hate between the two countries.

1. Bring an end to the war in Afghanistan (I know that Pakistan is not dictating the war, but you have significant influence over the armed resistance). A future Afghan government must be inclusive of all groups (including the conservative people who support the Taliban).

2. Afghans have been bombarded with propaganda regarding Greater Afghanistan for the last century-ish, in order to divert the people's attention from domestic issues. Reversing the state of mind will be difficult and will take several generations. Thus, if Pakistan wishes to have a friendly Afghanistan, you must fulfil this dream. Give the Afghans a Greater Afghanistan, but in a smart way without conceding land which rightfully belongs to Pakistan. Design a Confederate Union which encompasses Afghanistan and Pakistan and which ensures the free movement of people, capital and goods as well as a single foreign policy and military. With such a union, the Afghan would not only have a "Greater Afghanistan", but would also be in union with their Muslim brothers against an increasingly Hindu-extremist India. Pakistan would secure its back, get strategic depth and have millions of Pashtuns ready to fight your existential enemy.

Over time as the bond of friendship increases, the union will grow even closer and encompass other fields within politics, economics and foreign affairs.

Dont see it happening. Pakistan doesnt need afghans to fight hindu extremists. From what I’ve noticed Afghanis tend to be in love everything Indian. Not just gov but general public as well.

To fight Hindu extremists leadership we need $$$ for military gadgets more then manpower which Pakistan have enough off.

 

[B.K.N]

Dont see it happening. Pakistan doesnt need afghans to fight hindu extremists. From what I’ve noticed Afghanis tend to be in love everything Indian. Not just gov but general public as well.

To fight Hindu extremists leadership we need $$$ for military gadgets more then manpower which Pakistan have enough off.

They can provide Pakistan with sucide bombers for to use against India

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Dont see it happening. Pakistan doesnt need afghans to fight hindu extremists. From what I’ve noticed Afghanis tend to be in love everything Indian. Not just gov but general public as well.

To fight Hindu extremists leadership we need $$$ for military gadgets more then manpower which Pakistan have enough off.

Lashkars are effective self-sufficient guerrilla shock troops and can keep pressure on Indian positions and force them to spread thin, which could be advantageous when the regular army breaks through Indian positions.

In the first Kashmir war, Tribal Lashkars were the major determinant force which assured our victory and reconquest of 1/2 of JK.

All Kashmiri Mujahideen groups are modeled after Pukhtoon Lashkars. Our secret weapon in any war against India.

We just have to assure peace and security on our Afghan border, then we can pull all forces to the East.

 

[Kabira]

Lashkars are effective self-sufficient guerrilla shock troops and can keep pressure on Indian positions and force them to spread thin, which could be advantageous when the regular army breaks through Indian positions.

In the first Kashmir war, Tribal Lashkars were the major determinant force which assured our victory and reconquest of 1/2 of JK.

All Kashmiri Mujahideen groups are modeled after Pukhtoon Lashkars. Our secret weapon in any war against India.

We just have to assure peace and security on our Afghan border, then we can pull all forces to the East.

Not sure if you are serious?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Not sure if you are serious?

I am 100% serious. India has nightmares seeing qabailis of Pakistan and Afghanistan joining Pakistani forces at the LoC.

There is a reason for their presence in Afghanistan, no matter how fleeting.

 

[B.K.N]

I am 100% serious. India has nightmares seeing qabailis of Pakistan and Afghanistan joining Pakistani forces at the LoC.

There is a reason for their presence in Afghanistan, no matter how fleeting.

Your Afghani lashkars won't last even a minute in India Pakistan war

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Your Afghani lashkars won't last even a minute in India Pakistan war

They lasted and even came out victorious in 18 years against US/NATO, so an inflated incompetent military like India’s stands no chance.

In any major confrontation against India, irregulars will be very useful for us, esp trained fighters like Afghans, Kashmiris, and our tribals.

 

[B.K.N]

They lasted and even came out victorious in 18 years against US/NATO, so an inflated incompetent military like India’s stands no chance.

In any major confrontation against India, irregulars will be very useful for us, esp trained fighters like Afghans, Kashmiris, and our tribals.

You are suggesting to use them for sucide bombing in Indian cities?