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[onebyone]

haha, a bull**it blabla on high speed train network again.

• High speed train is NOT built for the two end-destinations only. I.e. SH-BJ line is not for SH-BJ tour only. For example, Xuzhou, which located in the mid of SH-BJ line, if a Xuzhou resident needs to go to Beijing or Shanghai, which choice is better? A 600km flight? A 6 hour coach? Or high speed train?
• We all know how busy the conventional railway line in China is. Historically, most of the capacity of the conventional line is supplied to passenger transportation purpose, i.e. few capacity left for cargo transportation. But with the expansion of HST network, the conventional line could reserve more capacity for cargo. For example, LTT (零担物流, Less than truckload) volume via railway in 2014 was 5,467 million ton-km; in 2015 grows to 26,711 million ton-km. The explosive growth is almost fully attributed to the capacity liberated by HST.
• HST is made by China, i.e. the money on HST investment is kept in China!! But if we rely on aviation, the money goes to foreign nations!! For example, in 2015, the passenger traffic via HST is 961 million passengers; the traffic via aviation is 436 million passengers. If no HST in China, we need to double our plane fleet to satisfy the demand. How much we need to pay to Airbus or Boeing to double the aviation size?? HST operation is in loss now, that's true. But at least the HST money are kept in China, far better than paying them to foreign nations.

 

[AndrewJin]

Agree. That's why almost all Chinese people, even those who once held the strongest distrust on HSR, are now convinced by the convenience and comforts brought by the expanding HSR network.

What's ridiculous is, our chemical engineering student in this thread dares to claim that "High Speed Railway's need can be totally passed over with proper highway connectivity, and civil aviation. "

"Totally", what a bold claim!! This funny guy seems to have no idea about how tired a long-distance coach tour/or private car driving could be; he also has no clue about how expensive a "proper" civil aviation system could be!!

A beggar will never know how tasteful beef is.
A person who has never tried HSR boasts how developed those crappy airports are....
So ridiculous.....

 

[Viet]

GDP per capita, is very flawed measuring the overall picture of a country. For example, China, still a "developing" country, has much better public transportation infrastructure than most so-called "developed" countries. Which country has 22,000 km high speed rails and cheap price, $60 to ride 1300 KM from Beijing to Shanghai, in 4 and half hours?

$60 for a 1,300km ride is dirty cheap. I guess you have too much money, accumulated over the years. for less than half of distance, Berlin-Munich (600 km), I would pay 132 euro on HSR, 350 euro on one-way flight. 6h45m on HSR, 1h10m on flight. ok, I must add 1 hour or so for check-in and waiting.

 

[GS Zhou]

$60 for a 1,300km ride is dirty cheap. I guess you have too much money, accumulated over the years. for less than half of distance, Berlin-Munich (600 km), I would pay 132 euro on HSR, 350 euro on one-way flight. 6h45m on HSR, 1h10m on flight. ok, I must add 1 hour or so for check-in and waiting.

how can a 6h45m/600km rail be called as high speed rail?

 

[AndrewJin]

how can a 6h45m/600km rail be called as high speed rail?

Can't be even called semi-HSR.
lol

 

[Viet]

how can a 6h45m/600km rail be called as high speed rail?

the ICE3 can run at 320kmh. it takes less than 2 hours if it runs non-stop, but because it stops at major cities along the route, you can either sleep or can go to board restaurant, ordering a beer while waiting

putting joke aside, there are non-stop schedules, too so I can get faster to the destination.

 

[AndrewJin]

the ICE3 can run at 320kmh. it takes less than 2 hours if it runs non-stop, but because it stops at major cities along the route, you can either sleep or can go to board restaurant, ordering a beer while waiting

putting joke aside, there are non-stop schedules, too so I can get faster to the destination.

On which route is there non-stop service covering 600 km?
Just curious

 

[GS Zhou]

the ICE3 can run at 320kmh. it takes less than 2 hours if it runs non-stop, but because it stops at major cities along the route, you can either sleep or can go to board restaurant, ordering a beer while waiting

a less than two hour train Munich to Berlin? But why I could not find it on the Deutsche Bahn website? Even the fastest one shown by DB website needs more than 6hours for the trip! Can you let me know where to find the super fast train that you mentioned? Thanks in advance.

 

[AndrewJin]

a less than two hour train Munich to Berlin? But why I could not find it on the Deutsche Bahn website? Even the fastest one shown by DB website needs more than 6hours for the trip! Can you let me know where to find the super fast train that you mentioned? Thanks in advance.
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ICE can be slower than IC?
@Götterdämmerung

 

[AndrewJin]

@GS Zhou @Viet I advice members move to the following thread for further discussion on railways in order not to derail this thread too far away.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chin...inal-translation.363685/page-151#post-9272279

@ahojunk @Shotgunner51 Pls consider clearing some of our replies as to make this thread more relevant to the topic and succinct to read.