Replacement of Pakistan Army's G-3 Rifles.

[Super Falcon]

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[Super Falcon]

baretta or famas to come in place of G 3

and MP 7 in place of MP 5 these guns can aounter israeli tavor in hands of indians

 

[Icarus]

Pakistan Army is mostly fighting war in hilly region, where engagement ranges do not exceed 1500 meters. Thus '5.56' is ideally suited
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1500 metres means 1.5 kilometres no 5.56 Calibre rifle can shoot to that distance, as a control we can compare the AK-47(which also uses 7.62) to The G-3.
Ak-47 can shoot upto a max range of 600 metres in combat condition whereas G-3 can shoot upto a kilometre, thats why it is used as a makeshift sniper rifle by Pakarmy in operational areas by putting a scope on it.
So the range point is void.
5.56 is not "ideal" for 1500 metres
Besides that, 5.56 lacks the penetration power of the G-3, it wont penetrate kevlar.

 

[Sunny4pak]

AA,
I think PK8 is better with its 7.62 mm and also its POF built very much like HK 33 looks cool in pics hope this gun meet PA requirements .......

 

[booo]

5.56 means the person you hit aint going to be down after getting hit
its stopping power is lowers
pakistan army is fighting a very determined enemy
if if injured he is going to fight back till death
which means 5.56 aint the best caliber which means 7.62 is better
BESIDE USA AND NATO IS GOING TO SHIFT TOWARDS 6.8MM cause 5.56 AINT GOOD ENOUGH
beside M4 has a serious jamming proble

this is what the Hollow-point bullets are for.. right? killing in a single shot?

 

[sohailbarki]

Pak army must stay with 7.62 mm caz nato is also looking for this caliber you can also see this in this video.....

i personally like HK 416

 

[Super Falcon]

yes it is our call im sure while we are discussing here pakistani defence giants are looking very closely on reading the facts off allaspects of gun than they will decide which one is better but im sure they pick the best option possible for our soldiers

 

[Patriot]

Heckler & Koch HK416 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This rifle is great.PA can also get TOT for it as it already manufactures few weapons of HK locally at POF.Turkey is also replacing its G3 with HK 416.
# Turkey: The Turkish Army will adopt a locally-built HK416 clone, named the Mehmetçik-1. MKEK of Turkey will be the primary contractor. It is envisaged that the Turkish Army will replace all of its G3 rifles with the Mehmetçik-1 by 2012.

 

[emotionless_teenage]

baretta or famas to come in place of G 3

and MP 7 in place of MP 5 these guns can aounter israeli tavor in hands of indians

HK MP-7 is a PDW (personal defence weapon),intermediate between SMG and assault rifle,while tavor is an assault rifle.

both has different role to fill

 

[Super Falcon]

so emotionless teenage what you think gun can counter indian insas and israeli tavor for pakistan army what we pick to counter insas and tavor

 

[emotionless_teenage]

based on my limited experience:M16A4

 

[TaimiKhan]

Pakistan is not a rich country and it can not afford at this time to change its assault rifle completely to a new caliber of 5.56 specially when doubts about the effectiveness of 5.56 have been raised due to the recent conflicts, a few days back was reading somewhere that troops in Afghanistan sometime had to fire 5 direct hits to bring down a talib. So now when change in caliber is being spoken of, going to 5.56 would be not a wise decision.

If cost effectiveness has to be looked into with minimum effect on operational capability, then the HK-417 is the best option. Reason being it has many variants with different barrel lengths making it into a useful weapon for CQ combat, as an assault rifle and also as a sniper rifle. One weapon working into different roles. Best cost effectiveness would be achieved as the firing mechanism for all variants same, only barrel length difference.
Other reason, as we have 7.62*51mm as our standard assault rifle round, HK-417 uses the same, we don't have to change the round, will keep the same ammo, which has great stopping power and is a deadly round. No infrastructure changing to be done for ammo, huge cost saving.
Another cost saving reason would be that HK-417 can also accommodate the magazine of G-3, so all the magazine of G-3 won't be going into waste and if HK-417 is adopted, cost of manufacturing millions of magazines would be saved too.

So the only cost incurred would be getting the technology to make the rifle minus magazines, which is off course not a big issue as we can slowly start manufacturing the new translucent polymer magazines.

Cost saving in replacement of ammo, infrastructure for ammo manufacturing, magazines cost saving, no problem on the operational capability of the PA, assault rifle with great stopping power and effectiveness.

In my opinion excellent option with respect to cost and effectiveness.

Heckler & Koch - Group Website

Modern Firearms - HK417 assault rifle

 

[Kompromat]

I am with you taimi on this matter , i think HK-417perfectly suits our needs .