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''Renovated'' Nanguan mosque of China

lmao,

Qingjing Mosque

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Constructed in 1009, the Arab style mosque is the oldest of its kind in China.



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so do you think this building in shanghai is ancient chinese architecture?

It's the only example of its kind in Fujian. Quanzhou was a major trading port at that time with a lot of Arab traders. Some of them built a mosque. It's an isolated case and nothing more.
 
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And Buddhists quickly adapted and changed their religious practice to local conditions, assimilating into China seamlessly. Chinese Buddhism is almost unrecognizable compared to its original Indian roots. We don't go to Saudi Arabia, build an eye sore, then demand the locals accept us. Why would you expect us to do that for you?

Assimilate or leave. Your choice.

dont try to lie here and mislead people, the chinese buddhism recieved multiple waves of indian influence directly from india, your scholars like Xuanzhang went to india to get authentic and uncorrupted texts from there, your some of world heritage arts recieved direct indian influences and can still be seen today.

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Ming vase with arabic script many such varieties with west asian ''islamic'' designs.

Chinese influences on Islamic pottery

regards
 
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I think China administration will be getting more confidence doing this policy after scores of Muslim countries support China policy in Xin Jiang. It is a Sinicization policy that was imposed by China goverment under Xi

Sinicization, sinofication, sinification, or sinonization (from the prefix sino-, 'Chinese, relating to China') is the process by which non-Chinese societies come under the influence of Chinese culture, particularly Han-Chinese culture, language, societal norms, and ethnic identity.

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Advisers hail sinicization of religions

By Cao Siqi Source:Global Times Published: 2019/3/10

Religious integration in socialist society key to harmony, says expert


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Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) members from religious circles hold a joint conference on Thursday in Beijing during the two sessions. Photo: Cao Siqi/GT

Chinese political advisers from five main religions hailed the country's efforts to promote social stability and vowed to continue adhering to the sinicization of religions and make greater efforts to better integrate religions into the socialist society.

In a panel discussion during the second session of the 13th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), Wang Yang, chairman of the CPPCC National Committee, said that religious issues have a bearing on social harmony, ethnic solidarity and national security, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

He spoke of the need to raise awareness of the rule of law to maintain harmony and stability in religious circles, and ensure religions better adapt themselves to socialist society, Xinhua reported.

At the panel discussion, Zhan Ru, deputy head of the China Buddhist Association and a CPPCC member, said that Chinese Buddhist culture is a window for the world to understand Chinese culture and Chinese religion.

Taking Buddhism as a platform for dialogue, it is important to strengthen the internal harmony of Chinese religions and promote exchanges between Chinese Buddhism and world Buddhism.

Adiljang Ajikrim, deputy head of the China Islamic Association, said that 2019 is the key to implementing the five-year (2018-22) outline on the sinicization of Islam and the key to the direction is to construct the Islamic doctrine system with Chinese characteristics and cultivate high-quality talent.

He suggested that the government continue to unify the compilation and publishing textbooks for China's Islamic institutes and strengthen the interpretation of the doctrines in multiple platforms and channels.

Yang Faming, head of the China Islamic Association, told the China News Service that upholding the direction of sinicization of religion should correctly understand the relationship between national laws and religious regulations.

Yang said the association has drafted a regulation on Islamic personnel's code of conduct.

In a joint conference held on Thursday, Dai Junfeng, the head of the Islamic Association in Kunming, Southwest China's Yunnan Province and a CPPCC member, also vowed to explore more paths for the sinicization of Islam.

Dai told the Global Times that during the past year, his association has been implementing the initiative advocated by the China Islamic Association, which urged nationwide Islamic associations to raise the national flag at mosques, require religious personnel to study the Chinese Constitution, socialist core values and traditional Chinese culture.

His association has established a district to demonstrate national unity and progress, and integrate the study of classic doctrines with socialist core values, he said.

Huang Zhi'an, deputy head of the Taoism Association of China, said that Taoism is the native religion of China.

However, the religion has been lacking vitality for the years. "The key to solving this problem is to train a group of top Taoist talent," Huang told the Global Times.

Shen Bin, deputy head of the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, also said that Catholicism has been experiencing ups and downs after being introduced to China because the local churches failed to implement the principle of independence and self-management, and didn't integrate with Chinese culture.

The Catholic Church in China needs to adhere to the leadership of the Communist Party of China, uphold the direction of sinicization and strengthen the implementation of the Regulation on Religious Affairs, Shen said.

Zhang Keyun, deputy head of China Christian Council, stressed the need to build a mechanism for religious work in rural areas, strengthen management in accordance with the law and guide the exploration of the sinicization of Christianity.

Kan Baoping, deputy head of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement Committee of the Protestant Church in China, stressed the need to unite Christians in China to resist external infiltration and walk on the path of loving the country and the church.

In September 2017, leaders from the five religious communities reached a consensus at a forum, "Chinese culture and religious sinicization," in Beijing. They agreed that "the direction of religions is to integrate with Chinese culture."

In March 2018, the Christian community announced the implementation of a five-year outline, which requires the community to strengthen the theological foundation for the sinicization of Christianity.

Catholic churches passed a draft version of a five-year outline to promote the sinicization of Catholicism in December 2017.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1141560.shtml

@Rasengan
 
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And Buddhists quickly adapted and changed their religious practice to local conditions, assimilating into China seamlessly. Chinese Buddhism is almost unrecognizable compared to its original Indian roots. We don't go to Saudi Arabia, build an eye sore, then demand the locals accept us. Why would you expect us to do that for you?

Assimilate or leave. Your choice.
This.
If Jews whine about a law in a host country = accept it (and don't whine) OR leave if you can't stand it.
If you go to Sharia-law country behave like they (Muslims) expect from you OR DON'T go to that country.
Same for Muslims in Europe, China or on Mars.
Where I have to give credit is - stupid Laws with "Religious (Ideology in most cases) Freedom" and all this kind of hypocritical freedom-cheap-talk.
Deny the Holocau$t in Germany (or most other European countries) and they will throw you in jail.
That's freedom? ... No.
But it's the law.
In Murrica you have RELATIVE "Freedom of Speech" if you are ordinary citizien but don't expect to be a long standing Politican if you have "the" Jews against you.
In China don't risk a big mouth against the Party.
In Islamic country don't insult their Prophet etc.

I like clear word/laws.
Don't do that otherwise we will kick your arse.
This/That is allowed...
 
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This.
If Jews whine about a law in a host country = accept it (and don't whine) OR leave if you can't stand it.
If you go to Sharia-law country behave like they (Muslims) expect from you OR DON'T go to that country.
Same for Muslims in Europe, China or on Mars.

you people have a history of holocaust, so the less said, the better.

Why not provide examples of chinese people in malaysia and the liberty they enjoy? How did singapore ended up being chinese ethnic dominated area? were chinese natives there. Are you suggesting same ethnic and cultural cleansing in malaysia the way chinese are doing against muslims in china?

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you people have a history of holocaust, so the less said, the better.

Why not provide examples of chinese people in malaysia and the liberty they enjoy? How did singapore ended up being chinese ethnic dominated area? were chinese natives there. Are you suggesting same ethnic and cultural cleansing in malaysia the way chinese are doing against muslims in china?

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Hm, which countries/nations did Muslims conquered with force?
Give back?

I think, in 2020 we should stay status quo.
Indians killed Indians in Murrica, Whites were only stronger than them... and conquered them.
Arabs could conquered much territory cause of weakened Byzantine and Safavid Empire.
Where is the point of going back?
Should Kosovo be cleaned because it's historic Serbian territory?
Modern Turks should leave Asia Minor then too?

No, not like the world works.
And I don't like cherry picking no matter from which side ("Western" hypocritical behaviour but Muslims do the same, so...).

Today there are states/nations/countries with people and the people who are there the majority and most influential should/will decide what is right/wrong.
That was, is and will always be the way how the world works.

Sure, somebody could try to draw new borders, if his country CAN. ... how the world works because no matter which international law - it doesn't apply to the state which can just do it... (look in history).

Regards and sorry for my bad English it has become very rusty.
 
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Today there are states/nations/countries with people and the people who are there the majority and most influential should/will decide what is right/wrong.
That was, is and will always be the way how the world works.

So you will not complain if there is any ethnic cleansing of chinese in malaysia for instance?

regards
 
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This Nanguan Mosque in particular has over 400 years of history. It was built during Ming and later relocated and expanded. The mosque was demolished during the Cultural Revolution and rebuilt in 1981 in an 'Arab' style even though the original structures were traditional Chinese architecture. 1980s was a time when China had no confidence in its own cultural heritage and saw anything foreign as superior. Now it has been restored to Chinese architectural style.

I really don't understand how some members here can see this as destroying the culture of Chinese Muslims. Do you believe Muslims all over the world must all have the same culture? Ain't Chinese Muslims allowed to keep their own architectural traditions?
 
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So you will not complain if there is any ethnic cleansing of chinese in malaysia for instance?

regards
If Malaysia decide to do that and can survive the echo.
But they won't because they CAN'T bear the consequences.
 
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This is typical Han behaviour. You are ethnically cleansing the Chinese minorities using communism as a guise. Religion is an idea - you cannot kill ideas. You will fall to it eventually.

The people you call foreign are the same as you. Same narrow eyes, same yellow skin, same short height. However they are ethnically different and have different ideas and so you Han are trying to wipe them all out.

I am a Pakistani - my country is a bastion of Islam. We've bought down the Soviet Union and the American empire to thier knees when they threatened us. We fight to the last Afghan.

If little upstarts like you get above your station - you'll soon be buying opium from the Afghans, just like your living God emperors did from the British.
Fall to it? Islam has arrived in China since the 8th century, yet you're a speck compared to the influence of Taoism and Buddhism. Fundamentally, you're incompatible with mainstream Chinese society. Hell, Communist Party itself has triple the number of members. This is China's traditional territory. Your kind are outsiders trying to convert us. Don't play victim. Increasingly, Chinese people are getting tired of your shit. You're lucky Communists are the ones in charge and they're so lenient towards you.

What do you have that attracts people to it? Superior technology? Superior economics? You can't provide people with shit other than misery and violence. You didn't bring down the Soviets or Americans, so don't brag about some grandiose fantasy you have. Soviet Union collapsed from its own economic and political woes. US simply didn't think it was worth it to stay in Afghanistan. Both could have turned you easily into a parking lot, but they had no incentives to do so.

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This Nanguan Mosque in particular had over 400 years of history. It was built during Ming and later relocated and expanded. The mosque was demolished during the Cultural Revolution and rebuilt in 1981 in an 'Arab' style even though the original structures were traditional Chinese architecture. 1980s was a time when China had no confidence in its own cultural heritage and saw anything foreign as superior. Now it has been restored to Chinese architectural style.

I really don't understand how some members here can see this as destroying the culture of Chinese Muslims. Do you believe Muslims all over the world must all have the same culture? Ain't Chinese Muslims allowed to keep their own architectural traditions?

Its OK if Chinese Muslim decide it that way, but for China case the renovation is forcefully conducted by their government. There should be freedom of religion and as long as Chinese Muslim dont harm other people, they should be let free by their government to decide what kind of style their place of worship should be.

In Indonesia there are also many new mosque that use Indonesian style on them, not exactly follow traditional Muslim style.

Pondok Indah Mosque (Javanese style)

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Padang Grand Mosque, West Sumatra (Minang style)
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Al-Irsyad Mosque, West Java (modern style)
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This is Xinjiang's biggest mosque, western media reported fake new that it's being transformed into a museum only, but true is it is a museum and an active mosque, 5 times a day people come to pray there.

At 5:40, staffer tells the schedule of daily mass pray time of the mosque.
 
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This.
If Jews whine about a law in a host country = accept it (and don't whine) OR leave if you can't stand it.
If you go to Sharia-law country behave like they (Muslims) expect from you OR DON'T go to that country.
Same for Muslims in Europe, China or on Mars.
Where I have to give credit is - stupid Laws with "Religious (Ideology in most cases) Freedom" and all this kind of hypocritical freedom-cheap-talk.
Deny the Holocau$t in Germany (or most other European countries) and they will throw you in jail.
That's freedom? ... No.
But it's the law.
In Murrica you have RELATIVE "Freedom of Speech" if you are ordinary citizien but don't expect to be a long standing Politican if you have "the" Jews against you.
In China don't risk a big mouth against the Party.
In Islamic country don't insult their Prophet etc.

I like clear word/laws.
Don't do that otherwise we will kick your arse.
This/That is allowed...
Agree
 
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If Malaysia decide to do that and can survive the echo.
But they won't because they CAN'T bear the consequences.

lmao

again going on marry go round.

what you are justifying in your OP is ethnic/cultural cleansing of muslims in europe and china using their laws (legal umbrella/justification), if muslims use the same method (malays cleansing chinese, arabs cleansing indians/non arabs etc), the ''consequences'' come in play, what you suggesting is law of the jungle (might is right), civilized societies dont think in that manner and we have a term for it, fascism. Hitler tried to do that and suffered ''consequences'' why not think about ''consequences'' as europe/china turns neo nazi again?

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