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REMOVE STICKY from "Invitation to attend 'Support Musharraf day" - link

This is not "Support Musharaf Forum" or "Make Perveiz Musharaf President" forum but Defense.pk and defense doesn't have anything to do with a political opinion of a group even if they are MODs. I know there are Musharaf Fans in PDF but there are people who equally question his eligibility. Please don't ruin credibility of this place that it has earned over the years. If you are supporting Perveiz Musharaf, there are members who support PPP, or MQM or MQM Haqeeqi. How is opinion of some member more important than the opinion of anybody else?

I had requested MODs before and I am requesting them again that please refrain from giving this place a political touch. You don't know there are Jialas who might want to stat 200 threads a day by the name "Jeya Bhutto" or MQM activities who would want to chant slogans of "Jeya Altaaf". Let PAKISTAN be reflected here, without any political biasness, without any cultural or ethnic color.

If you want to keep this thread as sticky, then to be fair, unbiased and to provide level playing file for all, you would need to start 20s of thread each a Sticky and each naming

"Support MMA"
"Support PPP"
"Support Moulana Fazal-ul-Rehman"
"Support PML(N)"
"Support MQM"
"Support MQM Haqeeqi"
"...."
"......."

Imagine what will this place become if this done? Lets be fair and do not impose our personal "likeness and dis-likeness" upon other and do not misuse our powers as "MODS". Mods were made MODS because they were found suitable enough to make this place better, not worse.

Please consider getting out of your personal choice. This place is a community and it demands every MOD to be fair. Lets be fair and try to be un-biased to the level we can. Let People decide which forum should stay in the "picture" and refrain from imposing our opinion upon other.

Pakistan Zindabad.
 
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Since I did not make it sticky, I am not sure what the criteria was, however I believe it was based on the members' demand. If members demand a similar thread for another leader to be made sticky and the Admin feels appropriate, it would be made sticky. Please report the post and the Admins/Mods will take the appropriate decision in this regard.
Imagine what will this place become if this done? Lets be fair and do not impose our personal "likeness and dis-likeness" upon other and do not misuse our powers as "MODS". Mods were made MODS because they were found suitable enough to make this place better, not worse.

Please do not accuse MODS of favoritism. Its certainly not imposed on this forum for anything other than Pakistan. As I have suggested, report a post from that thread and Admin/MODS will take a decision.
 
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Since I did not make it sticky, I am not sure what the criteria was, however I believe it was based on the members' demand. If members demand a similar thread for another leader to be made sticky and the Admin feels appropriate, it would be made sticky. Please report the post and the Admins/Mods will take the appropriate decision in this regard.


Please do not accuse MODS of favoritism. Its certainly not imposed on this forum for anything other than Pakistan. As I have suggested, report a post from that thread and Admin/MODS will take a decision.

Lets don't make a rule that would suit few members one way and doesn't suit the other way. How it would be like if Admin would receive 200 requests from members to make thread a sticky that says "Support Jamsheid Dasti next President" ? Its not a political place and people don't visit this for this reason either and thats the bottom line.
 
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Do you want a sticky support "Mr. 10%" Day? :rolleyes: Whatever he has done in the past you may find wrong, he is the best leader for Pakistan now.
 
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Musharraf thread is sticky bcoz of his popularity, there are currently only three big leaders in pakistan, Nawaz Sharif, Asif Ali Zardari and Parvez Musharraf.

Just make a thread, and start poll abt these three people, and the winning one will be made sticky, now happy?

Mods and Admins of Defence.pk are fair, even Asim Aquil is Nawaz Sharif supporter, but there is no thread for nawaz sharif, so modz are not making threads sticky them selves, but bcoz of Members choice.

If u still disagree with me, then start a poll, and see who wins, who have majority. The winning one will be made Sticky. So majority should not be imposed on minority. Parvez Musharaff's Facebook fan club is enough to prove how much he is popular.
 
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Lets don't make a rule that would suit few members one way and doesn't suit the other way. How it would be like if Admin would receive 200 requests from members to make thread a sticky that says "Support Jamsheid Dasti next President" ? Its not a political place and people don't visit this for this reason either and thats the bottom line.


Please report one of the posts from that thread. Once you report it, it will go to all of the Admins and Mods and they will remove the sticky status. I won't remove the sticky unless the MOD/ADMIN who made it sticky decides to change it with consensus. The way you expedite it is by reporting it. I will drop the Admins a note too. I get your point but I do hope you also understand that I do not want to step on anyone's toes simply because I am not sure why it was made sticky in the first place.
 
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Musharraf thread is sticky bcoz of his popularity, there are currently only three big leaders in pakistan, Nawaz Sharif, Asif Ali Zardari and Parvez Musharraf.

Just make a thread, and start poll abt these three people, and the winning one will be made sticky, now happy?

Mods and Admins of Defence.pk are fair, even Asim Aquil is Nawaz Sharif supporter, but there is no thread for nawaz sharif, so modz are not making threads sticky them selves, but bcoz of Members choice.

If u still disagree with me, then start a poll, and see who wins, who have majority. The winning one will be made Sticky.

NO my friend, this is not political place and it must not get into political colors. Musharaf is not Angle and he has 10s of personality flaws alongside qualities. Supporting him or not is not relevant to Pakistan Defense Forum. You can certainly support him, make his threads Sticky and project him to the levels you want on "PerveizMusharaf.com" or "MakeMusharafPresident.com". Lets not forget this very place is non-political and defense forum of Pakistan.

On PoliticalOpinions.com.pk, you can surly go for a poll and make the thread a sticky that is endorsed most by its members.
 
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Do you want a sticky support "Mr. 10%" Day? :rolleyes: Whatever he has done in the past you may find wrong, he is the best leader for Pakistan now.

You are taking me wrong son, rather you missed the spirit of my message. Try reading again.
 
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You are taking me wrong son, rather you missed the spirit of my message. Try reading again.

I understand you do not want political support for anyone here but I believe that a Musharraf thread on here will help spread support for him. We need Musharraf to lead Pakistan. He is very vocal when it comes to Pakistan. He helped the poor something the Bhutto's and others promised but never did. Some say he is not popular in Pakistan but that is among the elite, he has alot of support among the poor.
 
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NO my friend, this is not political place and it must not get into political colors. Musharaf is not Angle and he has 10s of personality flaws alongside qualities. Supporting him or not relevant to Pakistan Defense Forum. You can certainly support him, make his threads Sticky and project him to the levels you want on "PerveizMusharaf.com" or "MakeSupportMusharafPresident.com". Lets not forget this is non-political and defense forum of Pakistan.

On PoliticalOpinions.com.pk, you can surly go for a poll and make the thread a sticky that is endorsed most by its members.

Are u trying to say sticky threads should be only in Military section coz it is defence forum?

If u think so then u would have to ask Mods for other Sticky threads which are not related to Defence. I m listing here few threads which are not related to Defence, ask modz to make remove those sticky threads.

From Economy Sub-Forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/2637-balochistan-development-gateway-6.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53773-pakistans-economy-news-updates-10.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53775-pakistans-energy-water-news-updates-15.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53776-pakistans-gwadar-news-updates-2.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...riculture-cotton-textiles-news-updates-3.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...nfrastructure-development-news-updates-2.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/32272-dam-construction-pakistan-10.html


Current Events & Social Issues- Sub Forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/51290-zaid-hamid-commentary.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/12675-book-reviews.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...istorical-background-pakistan-its-people.html



National and Political Issues Sub-Forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/12882-balochistan.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/66365-afghanistan-trade-transit-pact.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...arraf-ki-yaad-aayi-us-kay-janay-kay-baad.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/63625-fake-degrees-scandal.html


General Images and Multimedia sub forum

There were 12 sticky threads, but i m posting only 2

http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/797-joke.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/36421-official-bankay-mian-thread.html


There are tons of other sticky threads who are not related to defence, but they are in sub forums, so thats why this web has sub forums, where u can discuss different topics and i assure u that Musharraf's sticky thread is one of the most strong sticky thread here.
 
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this is a forum, and not a republic, the mods can do what ever they like... its there forum..man
 
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Mr.Musharaf is very popular as compared to zardari, nawaz & altaf. His contributions in defence sector are worth appreciation, i think 90% of Pakistani's on this forum show their frustration over the cancellation of several pakistani military deals including the U-214. but this would not have happened if Musharaff was around. Not to mention we discuss f-16's,AWACS, F22p's and several other military equipment which was acquired during his tenure. And above all ask any one who is associated to strategic command of Pakistan army, he/she will tell you that what a big favor he did to Pakistan.
i am not his supporter but i do think that he is good for Pakistan. P.S i don't know what a sticky is but it's still a thread and not a Nishan-e-haider. instead of fighting for the rights of these politicians, generals etc people of Pakistan need to learn to fight for their rights & above all for the betterment of Pakistan.
 
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Are u trying to say sticky threads should be only in Military section coz it is defence forum?

If u think so then u would have to ask Mods for other Sticky threads which are not related to Defence. I m listing here few threads which are not related to Defence, ask modz to make remove those sticky threads.

From Economy Sub-Forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/2637-balochistan-development-gateway-6.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53773-pakistans-economy-news-updates-10.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53775-pakistans-energy-water-news-updates-15.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53776-pakistans-gwadar-news-updates-2.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...riculture-cotton-textiles-news-updates-3.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...nfrastructure-development-news-updates-2.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/32272-dam-construction-pakistan-10.html


Current Events & Social Issues- Sub Forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/51290-zaid-hamid-commentary.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/12675-book-reviews.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...istorical-background-pakistan-its-people.html



National and Political Issues Sub-Forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/12882-balochistan.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/66365-afghanistan-trade-transit-pact.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...arraf-ki-yaad-aayi-us-kay-janay-kay-baad.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/63625-fake-degrees-scandal.html


General Images and Multimedia sub forum

There were 12 sticky threads, but i m posting only 2

http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/797-joke.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/general-images-multimedia/36421-official-bankay-mian-thread.html


There are tons of other sticky threads who are not related to defence, but they are in sub forums, so thats why this web has sub forums, where u can discuss different topics and i assure u that Musharraf's sticky thread is one of the most strong sticky thread here.

Thanks for your effort.

Point to any single forum that has anything to do with policies. Let me go along the way you went.


http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/2637-balochistan-development-gateway-6.html Baluchistan - Are there any members in the entire forum who are against Baluchistan or its development or want problems to increase there instead of resolving them? I hope not. Compare it with Musharaf as Political Party and see what are you comparing it with. Let me move on.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53773-pakistans-economy-news-updates-10.html Pakistan-Economic-News ? Any differences? Are there people who actually vote against Pakistan's Economy? Want to compare it with a Political Opinion again?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53775-pakistans-energy-water-news-updates-15.html Paksitan-Energy-Water-News Do we have any differences on that?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/53776-pakistans-gwadar-news-updates-2.html Pakistan-Gawadar-News-Updates ? Do we not agree on that? I'm leaving the others as they are not any different for this section.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...riculture-cotton-textiles-news-updates-3.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...nfrastructure-development-news-updates-2.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/32272-dam-construction-pakistan-10.html


Current Events & Social Issues- Sub Forum

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/51290-zaid-hamid-commentary.html Zaid Hamid - Probably the most contriversial one I could say but can you count the Number of Posts and Views that has been made to it and after which this became a sticky? Why don't you let the thread of Mushaf flow the same way? Why just after 10 posts it is made a sticky?

This is not political forum and few people want to support a party doesn't make them any better citizens of this country than the others. Has my point been too difficult to get?
 
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@graphican,
I understand where you are coming from and I would have also expressed the same opinion that a defence forum should not be pre-dominantly politically charged. However, nearly all on line defence forums is South Asia are generally packed up with fancy military hardware and nationalistic jingoism. There are armed forces members and defence professionals who are also member of these forums and majority of them keep their forum activities to reading only. I am not sure if armed forces members higher than the Company level regularly post in the defence forums as majority prefers reading. Without political and casual talks , there wont be enough participations to keep these forums running. Therefore, the thread in question and many similar will continue to dominate in the future as long as the core members are not the defence professionals.
 
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