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Atif Mian, the great Princeton economist who was unceremoniously removed from his position on Imran Khan government’s Economic Advisory Council, is not the one who lost out. It is Pakistan’s loss.

The story of Pakistan’s Ahmadis starts long before the creation of the country. The Ahmaddiya Movement that started as a response to Christian missionary efforts in the late 19th century found many admirers amongst other Muslim sects. Allama Iqbal, the renowned Muslim philosopher, was an admirer of the founder of the Ahmadi movement and is rumoured to have joined it for a while as well before turning viciously vehemently and vociferously against it. Maulana Azad, the great Islamic scholar, considered the Ahmadis to be “Ghulat” i.e. a group that has transgressed the boundaries of divine faith but nonetheless is reported to have mourned the death of the founder of the Ahmadi movement.

When the Muslim League and Congress turned into bitter enemies in the late 1930s, Ahmadis soon became the subject of this tussle. Even though Jawaharlal Nehru had defended Ahmadis in a public exchange with Iqbal, Congress through Maulana Azad actively encouraged the anti-Ahmadi group Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam, led by fanatics like Ataullah Shah Bukhari and Azhar Ali Mazhar, to attack the Muslim League for having Ahmadis amongst its members.

There was an Iqbalian group within the Punjab chapter of the Muslim League that wanted Ahmadis out as well. They tried to introduce an oath that would require every elected member to work to get Ahmadis declared Non-Muslim. At this point, Jinnah intervened and resisted. The Punjab Muslim League’s oath was quietly shelved.

Jinnah unequivocally assured Ahmadis that they would be treated at par with any other Muslim sect. Jinnah himself was from a minority sect within Islam, and was mindful of the fact that this would open a can of worms that would damage Muslim solidarity like no other question. Jinnah’s close confidante and colleague was Zafarullah Khan, a leading Ahmadi lawyer, whose memo became the basis of Lahore Resolution. Majlis-e-Ahrar and even Maulana Madani of Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind continued to denounce Jinnah not just for his Westernised lifestyle but for having Ahmadis as his close advisers and as employees of his newspaper Dawn.

Principled stance
Ahmadis were not the only target of their wrath. When Jinnah appointed Pothan Joseph, a Syrian Christian, as the editor of Dawn, Maulana Madani denounced it saying that Jinnah was a secularist and unfit to lead the Muslims. In May 1944, when Jinnah went to Kashmir, he was inundated with queries about the Ahmadis, especially the Qadiani subsect of the group. On 23 May 1944, Jinnah said that Muslim League was open to all Muslims and that his advice was not to raise such sectarian issues because it would hurt not just Muslims but all communities in Kashmir and India.

It was because of this principled stance that Ahmadis threw in their lot with Jinnah and the Muslim League.

Jinnah’s other main supporter was Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood, the 2ndCaliph of the Ahmaddiya Community and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s son. In 1946 elections, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood advised all of his followers to vote en masse for the Muslim League. During Partition, Mahmood moved his entire body of followers to Pakistan. When the Kashmir war broke out between Pakistan and India, it was the Ahmadi community that cooperated with the Pakistan Army and set up Furqan Battalion comprising entirely of Ahmadi youth to fight alongside the Pakistan Army in Kashmir. The services of the Battalion were recognised and there is a letter from the Pakistan Army praising their services.

Zafarullah Khan, a barrister, had been a president of the Muslim League in the 1930s. His direct association with Jinnah came during the roundtable conferences. Jinnah called him a Muslim and praised his efforts in negotiating a trade deal for India in 1939. It was Zafarullah who represented United India in the inaugural sessions of the UN. Later, Jinnah acquired his services as a lawyer to represent Muslim League at the boundary commission hearings in Punjab, a job that even Zafarullah’s opponents praised him for.

Since Zafarullah was also the advisor to the Nawab of Bhopal, Jinnah wrote to the Nawab to release him from his duties because he was needed as a wise and trustworthy lieutenant. To M.A.H. Ispahani in New York, Jinnah wrote that there was no person more able and talented than Zafarullah who was needed in Pakistan immediately. In December 1947, Zafarullah returned to Pakistan to become its first foreign minister. Despite considerable pressure, Jinnah didn’t budge even an inch. At that time, Jinnah was also criticised for inducting a Scheduled Caste Hindu as Pakistan’s first law minister –Jogendra Nath Mandal. After Jinnah died, Mandal was ultimately driven out of the government in 1950. However on Zafarullah Khan, the government remained steadfast.

More victims
Majlis-e-Ahrar, now having re-grouped after its pre-Partition defeat, started a nationwide movement to oust Zafarullah from the government and to declare Ahmadis Non-Muslim. Prime Minister Khawaja Nazimuddin, a Jinnah loyalist from East Pakistan, refused to accede even though he personally had no love for Ahmadis or their doctrine.

Ahmadis thus continued to enjoy the privileges as equal citizens including the right to identify as Muslims. Abdus Salam, Pakistan’s leading physicist and scientist, joined the Pakistan government and founded the Pakistani space agency. Under his guidance, Pakistan became one of the few countries in Asia to send a satellite into space in early 1960s. He also founded Pakistan’s atomic energy commission and trained a generation of Pakistani physicists. He was the Chief Science Advisor in the Pakistan government till September 1974 when he resigned in protest over the 2nd Constitutional Amendment brought by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s Pakistan Peoples Party government to appease the Mullahs. Pakistan’s National Assembly had just voted to declare the entire Ahmadi community out of the fold of Islam. Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam and Jamaat-e-Islami had finally won. Meanwhile, Salam went on to win the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979.

One more victim of this policy was Mirza Muzaffar Ahmad, another Ahmadi educated at Oxford University. A leading civil servant, he opted for Pakistan in 1947. He was Pakistan’s most successful secretary of finance and later went on to become the chief advisor. In 1971, he was stabbed by a religious fanatic called Aslam Qureshi after which he joined the World Bank, living out the rest of his life in Washington DC. Qureshi became an instant hero to the anti-Ahmadi groups in Pakistan and it was none other than Senator Zafarul Haq of Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PMLN) who organised his legal defence and then used his disappearance as an excuse to get General Zia ul Haq to promulgate the infamous Ordinance XX of 1984, which outlaws religious practice and freedom of the Ahmadis.

Downward graph
The list is long of Ahmadis who tried to serve Pakistan but were murdered in cold blood.

Ahmadis have served the country on the battlefield as well, often without recognition. Major General Iftikhar Janjua, for example, was for the longest time the only Pakistani general to die in battle for Pakistan. Then there were heroes like General Abdul Ali Malik and his brother General Akhtar Ali Malik. Abdul Ali Malik won the famous tank battle of Chawinda. Akhtar Ali Malik is said to have been on verge of taking Kashmir when Ayub Khan removed him from command replacing him with Yahya Khan, who was a poor military tactician. Pakistan Air Force too had many heroes, including Air Marshal Zafar Chaudhry. Ahmadis built Pakistan, and helped it survived.

The downward graph of Pakistan has interestingly followed Ahmadis’ marginalisation. This is not because Ahmadis are the only ones talented but because their marginalisation has also meant the end of meritocracy in Pakistan.

Pakistan will continue to lose unless it reverts to Jinnah’s wise words that religion caste or creed has nothing to do with the business of the state.

Regards
 
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Regardless of what Pakistan's stance should be with Ahmadis as a whole(that's another lengthy topic altogether)...in this context of Atif Mian who was to be appointed as an economic advisor...PTI made a major blunder...

They shouldn't have given in to pressure from the mullahs and right wing ppl. It's plain and simple...he is Pakistani and highly qualified for the job he was to fulfill...and that's that. His religion should've been a non issue here...it's not like he was being asked to lead jummah prayers as an imam or something. So this whole thing was just plain idiotic and PTI looked weak by giving in to pressure.

@I.R.A @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Mugwop
 
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https://theprint.in/opinion/insulti...has-forgotten-jinnahs-view-on-ahmadis/114362/

Atif Mian, the great Princeton economist who was unceremoniously removed from his position on Imran Khan government’s Economic Advisory Council, is not the one who lost out. It is Pakistan’s loss.

The story of Pakistan’s Ahmadis starts long before the creation of the country. The Ahmaddiya Movement that started as a response to Christian missionary efforts in the late 19th century found many admirers amongst other Muslim sects. Allama Iqbal, the renowned Muslim philosopher, was an admirer of the founder of the Ahmadi movement and is rumoured to have joined it for a while as well before turning viciously vehemently and vociferously against it. Maulana Azad, the great Islamic scholar, considered the Ahmadis to be “Ghulat” i.e. a group that has transgressed the boundaries of divine faith but nonetheless is reported to have mourned the death of the founder of the Ahmadi movement.

When the Muslim League and Congress turned into bitter enemies in the late 1930s, Ahmadis soon became the subject of this tussle. Even though Jawaharlal Nehru had defended Ahmadis in a public exchange with Iqbal, Congress through Maulana Azad actively encouraged the anti-Ahmadi group Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam, led by fanatics like Ataullah Shah Bukhari and Azhar Ali Mazhar, to attack the Muslim League for having Ahmadis amongst its members.

There was an Iqbalian group within the Punjab chapter of the Muslim League that wanted Ahmadis out as well. They tried to introduce an oath that would require every elected member to work to get Ahmadis declared Non-Muslim. At this point, Jinnah intervened and resisted. The Punjab Muslim League’s oath was quietly shelved.

Jinnah unequivocally assured Ahmadis that they would be treated at par with any other Muslim sect. Jinnah himself was from a minority sect within Islam, and was mindful of the fact that this would open a can of worms that would damage Muslim solidarity like no other question. Jinnah’s close confidante and colleague was Zafarullah Khan, a leading Ahmadi lawyer, whose memo became the basis of Lahore Resolution. Majlis-e-Ahrar and even Maulana Madani of Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind continued to denounce Jinnah not just for his Westernised lifestyle but for having Ahmadis as his close advisers and as employees of his newspaper Dawn.

Principled stance
Ahmadis were not the only target of their wrath. When Jinnah appointed Pothan Joseph, a Syrian Christian, as the editor of Dawn, Maulana Madani denounced it saying that Jinnah was a secularist and unfit to lead the Muslims. In May 1944, when Jinnah went to Kashmir, he was inundated with queries about the Ahmadis, especially the Qadiani subsect of the group. On 23 May 1944, Jinnah said that Muslim League was open to all Muslims and that his advice was not to raise such sectarian issues because it would hurt not just Muslims but all communities in Kashmir and India.

It was because of this principled stance that Ahmadis threw in their lot with Jinnah and the Muslim League.

Jinnah’s other main supporter was Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood, the 2ndCaliph of the Ahmaddiya Community and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s son. In 1946 elections, Mirza Bashiruddin Mahmood advised all of his followers to vote en masse for the Muslim League. During Partition, Mahmood moved his entire body of followers to Pakistan. When the Kashmir war broke out between Pakistan and India, it was the Ahmadi community that cooperated with the Pakistan Army and set up Furqan Battalion comprising entirely of Ahmadi youth to fight alongside the Pakistan Army in Kashmir. The services of the Battalion were recognised and there is a letter from the Pakistan Army praising their services.

Zafarullah Khan, a barrister, had been a president of the Muslim League in the 1930s. His direct association with Jinnah came during the roundtable conferences. Jinnah called him a Muslim and praised his efforts in negotiating a trade deal for India in 1939. It was Zafarullah who represented United India in the inaugural sessions of the UN. Later, Jinnah acquired his services as a lawyer to represent Muslim League at the boundary commission hearings in Punjab, a job that even Zafarullah’s opponents praised him for.

Since Zafarullah was also the advisor to the Nawab of Bhopal, Jinnah wrote to the Nawab to release him from his duties because he was needed as a wise and trustworthy lieutenant. To M.A.H. Ispahani in New York, Jinnah wrote that there was no person more able and talented than Zafarullah who was needed in Pakistan immediately. In December 1947, Zafarullah returned to Pakistan to become its first foreign minister. Despite considerable pressure, Jinnah didn’t budge even an inch. At that time, Jinnah was also criticised for inducting a Scheduled Caste Hindu as Pakistan’s first law minister –Jogendra Nath Mandal. After Jinnah died, Mandal was ultimately driven out of the government in 1950. However on Zafarullah Khan, the government remained steadfast.

More victims
Majlis-e-Ahrar, now having re-grouped after its pre-Partition defeat, started a nationwide movement to oust Zafarullah from the government and to declare Ahmadis Non-Muslim. Prime Minister Khawaja Nazimuddin, a Jinnah loyalist from East Pakistan, refused to accede even though he personally had no love for Ahmadis or their doctrine.

Ahmadis thus continued to enjoy the privileges as equal citizens including the right to identify as Muslims. Abdus Salam, Pakistan’s leading physicist and scientist, joined the Pakistan government and founded the Pakistani space agency. Under his guidance, Pakistan became one of the few countries in Asia to send a satellite into space in early 1960s. He also founded Pakistan’s atomic energy commission and trained a generation of Pakistani physicists. He was the Chief Science Advisor in the Pakistan government till September 1974 when he resigned in protest over the 2nd Constitutional Amendment brought by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s Pakistan Peoples Party government to appease the Mullahs. Pakistan’s National Assembly had just voted to declare the entire Ahmadi community out of the fold of Islam. Majlis-e-Ahrar-e-Islam and Jamaat-e-Islami had finally won. Meanwhile, Salam went on to win the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979.

One more victim of this policy was Mirza Muzaffar Ahmad, another Ahmadi educated at Oxford University. A leading civil servant, he opted for Pakistan in 1947. He was Pakistan’s most successful secretary of finance and later went on to become the chief advisor. In 1971, he was stabbed by a religious fanatic called Aslam Qureshi after which he joined the World Bank, living out the rest of his life in Washington DC. Qureshi became an instant hero to the anti-Ahmadi groups in Pakistan and it was none other than Senator Zafarul Haq of Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PMLN) who organised his legal defence and then used his disappearance as an excuse to get General Zia ul Haq to promulgate the infamous Ordinance XX of 1984, which outlaws religious practice and freedom of the Ahmadis.

Downward graph
The list is long of Ahmadis who tried to serve Pakistan but were murdered in cold blood.

Ahmadis have served the country on the battlefield as well, often without recognition. Major General Iftikhar Janjua, for example, was for the longest time the only Pakistani general to die in battle for Pakistan. Then there were heroes like General Abdul Ali Malik and his brother General Akhtar Ali Malik. Abdul Ali Malik won the famous tank battle of Chawinda. Akhtar Ali Malik is said to have been on verge of taking Kashmir when Ayub Khan removed him from command replacing him with Yahya Khan, who was a poor military tactician. Pakistan Air Force too had many heroes, including Air Marshal Zafar Chaudhry. Ahmadis built Pakistan, and helped it survived.

The downward graph of Pakistan has interestingly followed Ahmadis’ marginalisation. This is not because Ahmadis are the only ones talented but because their marginalisation has also meant the end of meritocracy in Pakistan.

Pakistan will continue to lose unless it reverts to Jinnah’s wise words that religion caste or creed has nothing to do with the business of the state.

Regards


Another thread on the same topic... :crazy::hitwall:
 
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Religious discrimination is what is to be expected out of a non secular country.
Noting out of the ordinary for Pakistan.
Leave this "holier than thou" approach at the door. I know Pakistan isn't perfect when it comes to things like these...but India is just as guilty even though it claims to be "secular".

Do u have anything constructive to talk about? Or u just here to chest thump and score some brownie points?
 
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Leave this "holier than thou" approach at door. I know Pakistan isn't perfect when it comes to things like these...but India is just as guilty even though it claims to be "secular".

Do u have anything constructive to talk about? Or u just here to chest thump and score some brownie points?
Constructive thing is when people from Pakistan start supporting equality for all citizens irrespective of religion which is a part of secularism.
If you and many more understand and act accordingly then my post will be of value.
 
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Regardless of what Pakistan's stance should be with Ahmadis as a whole(that's another lengthy topic altogether)...in this context of Atif Mian who was to be appointed as an economic advisor...PTI made a major blunder...

They shouldn't have given in to pressure from the mullahs and right wing ppl. It's plain and simple...he is Pakistani and highly qualified for the job he was to fulfill...and that's that. His religion should've been a non issue here...it's not like he was being asked to lead jummah prayers as an imam or something. So this whole thing was just plain idiotic and PTI looked weak by giving in to pressure.

@I.R.A @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Mugwop
Pakistan made a major blunder but then immediately rectified it as well. However we should identify the ones responsible for this blunder.
 
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Constructive thing is when people from Pakistan start supporting equality for all citizens irrespective of religion which is a part of secularism.
If you and many more understand and act accordingly then my post will be of value.
Here was a constructive post...about "understanding and acting accordingly"...which u clearly didn't bother to read.
[URL="https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/removal-of-prof-shows-pakistan-has-forgotten-jinnahs-view-on-ahmadis-ylh.576671/#post-10776615"]Removal of Prof shows Pakistan has forgotten Jinnah’s view on Ahmadis: YLH[/URL]

There are many Pakistanis who don't agree with what happened...or the whole trend of sidelining Ahmadis just bcuz of their religion...but of course that didn't matter to u since u have decided that the whole nation must be defined by the actions of a few(mullahs in this case).

I wonder how u would feel if I lumped together all the Indians(sane ones too) with the mobs who lynch over beef consumption..."oh look at this intolerant society of a billion ppl...they are killing each other over something as simple as a food choice"

^see how "constructive" that would be on a thread about India's recent events of mobs lynching over beef?

Pakistan made a major blunder but then immediately rectified it as well. However we should identify the ones responsible for this blunder.
They rectified it? Are they going to appoint him as an economic advisor after all?
 
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Regardless of what Pakistan's stance should be with Ahmadis as a whole(that's another lengthy topic altogether)...in this context of Atif Mian who was to be appointed as an economic advisor...PTI made a major blunder...

They shouldn't have given in to pressure from the mullahs and right wing ppl. It's plain and simple...he is Pakistani and highly qualified for the job he was to fulfill...and that's that. His religion should've been a non issue here...it's not like he was being asked to lead jummah prayers as an imam or something. So this whole thing was just plain idiotic and PTI looked weak by giving in to pressure.

@I.R.A @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Mugwop
Agreed! dear, he qualified and Pakistani citizen but he is doing things against the Pakistan law. First and foremost law defines them minority as they do not accept Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) as the last messenger and they are not accepting it.
 
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Religious discrimination is what is to be expected out of a non secular country.
Noting out of the ordinary for Pakistan.
Keep eye on your discrimination in India of killing Muslims on slaughtering cow You killing humans for an animal with what face you criticize others You have the poorest record in the world of discrimination against Kashmirs Sikhs Dalits Maoist Tamils and Shudders a long list .......
 
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@Cookie Monster

Well-written, good riposte to @Jugger mian.

@war&peace

Jangaman bhai,

Why is it a blunder to appoint an Ahmedi gentleman of right credentials to an advisory post on the Economic council. They have fought and died on the battlefield for Pakistan, what harm can an economic adviser do.

Regards
 
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so now we should ask in our CV that we are Muslims and this should be added in JDs as well?

how pathetic seems PTI is confused....

Religious discrimination is what is to be expected out of a non secular country.
Noting out of the ordinary for Pakistan.

lol secular indians would be the last one to lecture on topic of religious discrimination where:rofl: lynching minorities are common on daily for even small issues like eating habits let aside giving jobs......he should be thanked that he is not in secular india where he would have been lynched by Hindu mods by now.

on topic when a Hindu or christian can become chief Justice why cant someone get this small job based on his religious beliefs is beyond my understanding
 
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Here was a constructive post...about "understanding and acting accordingly"...which u clearly didn't bother to read.
Removal of Prof shows Pakistan has forgotten Jinnah’s view on Ahmadis: YLH

There are many Pakistanis who don't agree with what happened...or the whole trend of sidelining Ahmadis just bcuz of their religion...but of course that didn't matter to u since u have decided that the whole nation must be defined by the actions of a few(mullahs in this case).

I wonder how u would feel if I lumped together all the Indians(sane ones too) with the mobs who lynch over beef consumption..."oh look at this intolerant society of a billion ppl...they are killing each other over something as simple as a food choice"

^see how "constructive" that would be on a thread about India's recent events of mobs lynching over beef?


They rectified it? Are they going to appoint him as an economic advisor after all?
My criticism is always against the ruling entity in Pakistan and never against its people, that entity can be dark state or white or anything else, I care less.

Keep eye on your discrimination in India of killing Muslims on slaughtering cow You killing humans for an animal with what face you criticize others You have the poorest record in the world of discrimination against Kashmirs Sikhs Dalits Maoist Tamils and Shudders a long list .......

lol secular indians would be the last one to lecture on topic of religious discrimination where:rofl: lynching minorities are common on daily for even small issues like eating habits let aside giving jobs......he should be thanked that he is not in secular india where he would have been lynched by Hindu mods by now.

on topic when a Hindu or christian can become chief Justice why cant someone get this small job based on his religious beliefs is beyond my understanding
Let me rephrase my statement.
State sponsored and constitutionalised religions discrimination against the minorities in Pakistan.
As a secular state India does not allow by law all the above stated atrocities committed in India, it is a criminal offence and the perpetrators are being prosecuted.
Same cannot be said about the Pakistan cos of its religiously biased constitution.
 
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