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Remembering the Holocaust (Warning to Future Generations)

The biggest lesson muslims should learn from the Holocaust is....

White Christian Europeans killed 6 million Jews and when the Jews needed refuge, the mainstream media in White Christian nations like the UK and US demonized them!

So, while as Muslims we must be aware of antisemitism amongst fellow Muslims and speak out against it (it very clearly exists and is unacceptable)...we shouldnt get bogged down in self hate...Europeans and Christians have killed millions and millions more Jews than Muslims ever did.

Make sure you give everyone who tries to preach, a gentle reminder...Muslims have very little to be guilty about when it comes to Jews in modern history....Europeans on the other hand...have blood...and I mean lots of blood on their hands.

So, don't let them project their guilt on you!
 
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disqualifies you from any further discussion.
Hey this is a democracy.
Go home Penguin (Antarctica)
@MOD: pls close thread.
Why closing it?Cause the truth is always bitter???
See post 1 and 9.

Hey noob you you cannot read properly???or you a 13 year old with hormone problems having hard time understanding Judging by your name @Noob.

I have not written any conflicting post,I mentioned Nazi Leaders in post 1 and only then in post 9 stated that Nazis were right to deport JEWS.
How would you feel if they put a Muslim symbol on you and your families arm and took all your belongings and seized your wealth put into cattle cars and forced to do labor.(out of context of holocaust) What history revisionists accept
It is okay to say "DO NOT LIVE IN MY COUNTRY" but there is a manner to which that should've been done in a right way, not like the nazis did it.


Unlike you I visited Germany talked to people and stayed in contact with them,when my father went there for
Technisches Hilfswerk..
I don't want to discuss this with you because you are not only worth it but because until you are not educated enough to disintegrate personal "Bias" from your posts ,you need to be IGNORED.





So, don't let them project their guilt on you!

It isn't about guilt but about what could be done to avert a future free of conspiracy mad totalitarian people and where equality should prevail.
 
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Hey this is a democracy.
Go home Penguin (Antarctica)
Hey, why should i waste time on you when your post reveals you do not even know what the event are that i refer to. The rape of nanking for example isnt about rape. That kind of error disqualifies you as worthy discussant to me.

Why closing it?Cause the truth is always bitter???
Ah, so you alone know the truth ....
Close it because it is moronic and not a military history and tactics topic.
 
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nanking1.jpg
This is a picture from Nanking remembered for Jap's when they raped Nanking.

lol I'm leaving this forum anyway..
 
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The biggest lesson muslims should learn from the Holocaust is....

White Christian Europeans killed 6 million Jews and when the Jews needed refuge, the mainstream media in White Christian nations like the UK and US demonized them!

So, while as Muslims we must be aware of antisemitism amongst fellow Muslims and speak out against it (it very clearly exists and is unacceptable)...we shouldnt get bogged down in self hate...Europeans and Christians have killed millions and millions more Jews than Muslims ever did.

Make sure you give everyone who tries to preach, a gentle reminder...Muslims have very little to be guilty about when it comes to Jews in modern history....Europeans on the other hand...have blood...and I mean lots of blood on their hands.

So, don't let them project their guilt on you!


Not really.We're smart enough to watch back on history and learn painful lessons but it seems many muslims reached the 21st century for nothing as they didn't learn,understood nothing.History is just that... history,I can't change it ,nor am I guilty for what my forefather did so stick your gentle reminder where the sun don't shine.My duty as a human beeing is to learn from my forefather's mistake,which I,which Europeans did,muslims didn't.So....we don't take lessons,pls come to the 21st century guys...it has cookies.
 
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pls come to the 21st century guys...it has cookies.
HAHAHA this 21st century can become 20th Century 1945 .
Cookies will become TNT if we "NO LEARN HISTORY".
 
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nanking1.jpg
This is a picture from Nanking remembered for Jap's when they raped Nanking.

lol I'm leaving this forum anyway..
Great. Goodbye. I see you take great pleasure in posting the above pic as if it represents some sort of Victory. Wonder how our chinese member feel about you mocking that. I pity whatever forum next you will land.

HAHAHA this 21st century can become 20th Century 1945 .
Cookies will become TNT if we "NO LEARN HISTORY".
hey, you were leaving! So, go!
 
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People connect the dots. They know that middle east was divided up by cold war with USA supporting Israel and socialist arab nations backed by soviet union. And they fought wars and all that. But they the soviet union collapsed and nowisrael and usa are getting back at the arabs. For israel syria and iraq have been laid to waste. But Pakistanis here see the religious angle. All they see is the vengeance of jews against muslims. Hence the new fondness of nazis among middle class pakistanis. I too have seen a lot of cars with nazi flag on their bumper. For Pakistanis it symbolizes two things. The acceptance of jews as a formidable enemy that can only be overcome by dreaming up the highest ideals and second the superiority of lighter skin and rejection of darker indians (and pakistanis) as inferior and not worth ones time.
 
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Hey this is a democracy.
Go home Penguin (Antarctica)

Why closing it?Cause the truth is always bitter???


Hey noob you you cannot read properly???or you a 13 year old with hormone problems having hard time understanding Judging by your name @Noob.

I have not written any conflicting post,I mentioned Nazi Leaders in post 1 and only then in post 9 stated that Nazis were right to deport JEWS.
How would you feel if they put a Muslim symbol on you and your families arm and took all your belongings and seized your wealth put into cattle cars and forced to do labor.(out of context of holocaust) What history revisionists accept
It is okay to say "DO NOT LIVE IN MY COUNTRY" but there is a manner to which that should've been done in a right way, not like the nazis did it.


Unlike you I visited Germany talked to people and stayed in contact with them,when my father went there for
Technisches Hilfswerk..
I don't want to discuss this with you because you are not only worth it but because until you are not educated enough to disintegrate personal "Bias" from your posts ,you need to be IGNORED.







It isn't about guilt but about what could be done to avert a future free of conspiracy mad totalitarian people and where equality should prevail.

The manner you're replying in shows that you are the 13 year old with hormone problems.

Thank you.

Ignoring me further proves that, you are the one who is more biased on his information of trying to suck up to the story than actually trying to find much about it.

And I honestly doubt you know any further than just the allied rheotoric. "This germany did that, case closed no reasons".

Carry on with your sheeple attitude, i honeslty couldnt care less.
I pity your existance. hah.

Hey, why should i waste time on you when your post reveals you do not even know what the event are that i refer to. The rape of nanking for example isnt about rape. That kind of error disqualifies you as worthy discussant to me.


Ah, so you alone know the truth ....
Close it because it is moronic and not a military history and tactics topic.

My dear penguin, this guy literally has no idea of anything.
He probably just stumbled upon an article and started projecting it as truth regardless of having knowledge of any event before or after it.

Not really.We're smart enough to watch back on history and learn painful lessons but it seems many muslims reached the 21st century for nothing as they didn't learn,understood nothing.History is just that... history,I can't change it ,nor am I guilty for what my forefather did so stick your gentle reminder where the sun don't shine.My duty as a human beeing is to learn from my forefather's mistake,which I,which Europeans did,muslims didn't.So....we don't take lessons,pls come to the 21st century guys...it has cookies.

The current state of muslims from middle east is the result of your actions.
Europe is guilty of ruining the Middle East just as much as US is.
 
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I visited a bookshop in Rawalpindi today to buy a book for my A level exams ,I saw 3 Teenagers asking about books written on Hitler.
I'm not going to go ahead and say further that people are doing wrong or not by reading about Adolf Hitler.
I didn't see a Single book in the shop on Mahatma Gandhi or Muhammed Ali Jinnah.
This shop is one of the most popular shops in the city because of its less price and availability on wide subjects.

As a 21 year old Muslim and Pakistani the things that are going around in the world with Antisemitism Israel and conflict with all the online websites promoting holocaust denial and in a way to seek and win moral arguments against modern history.To promote the rise of a future mass murderer .My message to all Pakistani youth,You will get confused and end up in the wrong side so stop giving a Shiz about the holocaust ,Focus on this country empower your society, spread equality and a sense of National Pride.Instead of being some la la land person who believes that 6 million people disappeared about 2/3rd of Jews from the face of the earth and its a conspiracy.
In Nazism stems the hate,racism and a crime so evil but tries to elude Evilness. I know because I used to be a holocaust Denier

#The victor will never be asked if he told the truth-Adolf Hitler

Why I Liked the Nazis
I always felt I had a connection with the Nazis because even though a Pakistani
My family had Clear Indo-Iranian roots and we spoke a derivative Indo-Iranian Language migrated to modern day Pakistan some centuries ago and my ancestors ruled a princely state for 300 years.
I also fell in love with Germany because of swastikas (A better world) the charisma and alluring speeches of Hitler.
Some might say why the fanboy ? No it isn't fanboy I became Interested because we shared the same bloodline
Over the years I firmly believed the holocaust never happened,but once a person starts digging there is no doubt that it happened.
You cannot deny the holocaust.

Mein kampf (Adolf hitler)

“”If at the beginning of the war and during the war twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the nation had been subjected to poison gas, such as had to be endured in the field by hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers of all classes and professions, then the sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain.

And…

“”The nationalization of our masses will succeed only when, aside from all the positive struggle for the soul of our people, their international poisoners are exterminated.

Himmler

"The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. But it was accomplished, and without -- I believe I can say -- our men and their leaders suffering any mental or spiritual damage.”

Joseph Goebbels' diaries

“The intellectual does not have the natural means of resisting the Jewish peril because his instincts have been badly blunted. Because of this fact the nations with a high standard of civilization are exposed to this peril first and foremost. In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew…”

Other Nazis:
I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries.(Höss' affidavit for his Nuremberg trial)

Video Evidence of
Einsatzgruppen:

Officers of SS that carried out mass murders.



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Evil never wins
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Before nazis carried out mass murders they conquered Europe on their own with France falling in weeks close to 3 million Germans surrendered on the western front of the same Blitzkreig army rampaging through Europe.
Germany was Ruined entire cities reduced to rubble what followed was starvation ,mass murder and rape,the years followed was Germany divided between two world powers.
Desperation in war:
Churchil staved and killed millions in the indo-bengal famine to save Europe for the "Greater Good".
Financial Ruin:
Remembering the dead:

World War II fatality statistics vary, with estimates of total dead ranging from 50 million to more than 80 million.
More than 1000 People died in an hour in the second world war from 1939-1945.
2/3rd of Jews died in Europe a total of 6 million,The people of Hazrat Dawood(AS)


This is why war is not Good for India and Pakistan,Lets learn from history and recognize the dead.
?false flagger???

Hey this is a democracy.
Go home Penguin (Antarctica)

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FALSE this is a kleptocracy run by criminals and low lives, murderers .....
 
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The Rape of Nanking?
@MOD pls ban
I just watched some documentaries on this incident ... such savagery!!!

“It would be both foolish and cumbersome to continue our everyday existences in bliss without first denying to ourselves, for the sake of excusing our own repugnance, the inherent cruelty from which modern civilization was conceived...And there can be no other path by which a fiercely competitive, yet social species, as humanity, can afford its members the level of safety, prosperity and stability—such that we enjoy now— without its initial pangs of cannibalism, brutality, dominance and cruelty to forge the foundations, very much like the lava which formed the ground upon which we now stand. Lava still erupts from the core. Brutality, Dominance, and Cruelty similarly erupt from ours; and they are no less prevalent now than in early human history.”
By Mr. Ashim Shankar, Only the Deplorable

As strange to some BUT sometimes through the lens of modern society some are compelled to ask this question:
"Is a Man Who Kills Still a Good Man"
 
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On Holocaust remembrance day, warnings of rising xenophobia
UN secretary-general laments ‘tragedy’ of ongoing anti-Semitism, vows to be on ‘front lines’ of fight against hatred; German FM: ‘There can and should be no end to remembrance’
BY VANESSA GERA January 27, 2017, 5:19 pm
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    People watch ceremonies marking the Holocaust Remembrance Day, at the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising memorial in Warsaw, Poland, Friday, Jan. 27, 2017. (AP Photo/Alik Keplicz)
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    A man visits Auschwitz-Birkenau at sunrise on the 72nd anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi death camp, in Oswiecim, Poland, Friday, Jan. 27, 2017. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)
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    Holocaust survivors light candles at the International Monument to the Victims of Fascism, after a ceremony marking the 72nd anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi death camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, in Oswiecim, Poland, Friday, Jan. 27, 2017, on the International Holocaust Remembrance Day. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)
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    A Holocaust survivor commemorates the people killed by the Nazis at the former Auschwitz Nazi death camp in Oswiecim, Poland, Friday, Jan. 27, 2017, on the International Holocaust Remembrance Day that marks the liberation of the Auschwitz Nazi death camp on Jan. 27, 1945. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)
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    Visitors walk at the Sachsenhausen concentration camp memorial in Oranienburg, Germany, Friday, Jan. 27, 2017 on the Holocaust Remembrance Day. (Maurizio Gambarini/dpa via AP)
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    Holocaust survivors commemorate people killed by the Nazis at the former Nazi death camp in Auschwitz, Poland, Friday, Jan. 27, 2017, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day (Czarek Sokolowski/AP)
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    Holocaust survivors commemorate people killed by the Nazis at the Auschwitz Nazi death camp in Oswiecim, Poland, Friday, Jan. 27, 2017, on the International Holocaust Remembrance Day that marks the liberation of the Auschwitz Nazi death camp on Jan. 27, 1945. (AP Photo/Czarek Sokolowski)
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  • Canon Chancellor Christopher Collingwood helps light one of 600 candles in the shape of the Star of David to commemorate Holocaust Memorial Day at York Minster, York,, England, Thursday, Jan. 26, 2017. (Danny Lawson/PA via AP)
WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Jewish and Christian leaders prayed over the ruins of gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau as some leaders warned Friday on International Holocaust Remembrance Day of rising xenophobic hatred against Jews and others, including Muslims.

Dozens of survivors gathered with political leaders and representatives of Poland’s Jewish community at the site where Germany murdered about 1.1 million people during World War II, mostly Jews from across Europe, but also Poles, Roma, Soviet prisoners of war and others.

Poland’s Prime Minister Beata Szydlo, who is from the Polish town where the Auschwitz memorial and museum is located, recalled the “destruction of humanity” and the “ocean of lost lives and hopes” in Oswiecim.

“It’s an open wound that may close sometimes but it shall never be fully healed and it must not be forgotten,” she said.

Dozens of Auschwitz survivors began a day of commemorations by placing wreaths and flowers at the infamous execution wall on the 72nd anniversary of the camp’s liberation by Soviet soldiers. The United Nations recognized January 27 as International Holocaust Remembrance Day in 2005, and many commemorative events were taking place across the world on Friday.

“Tragically, and contrary to our resolve, anti-Semitism continues to thrive,” UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said in statement made in New York Thursday, and which was read out at the UN headquarters in Geneva on Friday. “We are also seeing a deeply troubling rise in extremism, xenophobia, racism and anti-Muslim hatred. Irrationality and intolerance are back.”

Guterres vowed to “be in the front line of the battle against anti-Semitism and all other forms of hatred.”

In Germany, outgoing Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said his nation sticks by its obligation to take responsibility for the crimes committed by the Nazi regime of Adolf Hiltler.

Noting the political instability in the world today, Steinmeier said, “History should be a lesson, warning and incentive all at the same time. There can and should be no end to remembrance.”

Steinmeier’s statement came hours before he was due to hand over the post of foreign minister to the current economy minister, Sigmar Gabriel.

In Albania’s capital, Tirana, an olive tree was planted during the inauguration of a downtown garden commemorating Albanians who saved Jews during the war.

Speaking alongside the Israeli ambassador, Foreign Minister Ditmir Bushati said Albanians are proud their predecessors handed over no Jews to the Nazis who occupied Albania from 1943-1944.

Albania was the only country in Europe where the number of the Jews during World War II increased after the Muslim majority population provided refuge to Jews fleeing other countries.

On Friday, rising far-right sentiments cast a shadow on some remembrance day events, including in Germany.

The Buchenwald concentration camp memorial rescinded an invitation to a prominent member of a nationalist party who suggested that Germany should stop atoning for its Nazi past.

Bjoern Hoecke, the leader of Alternative for Germany in the state of Thuringia, last week called Berlin’s Holocaust memorial a “monument of shame” and saying Germany should take a “positive” attitude toward its history.

In Croatia, the Jewish community boycotted official commemorations, saying the country’s conservative government is not doing enough to curb pro-Nazi sentiments there.

Community leader Ognjen Kraus, the coordinator of the Jewish communities in Croatia, said the decision was made after authorities failed to remove a plaque bearing a World War II Croatian pro-Nazi salute from the town of Jasenovac — the site of a wartime death camp where tens of thousands of Jews, Serbs and Roma perished.

Elderly survivors at Auschwitz, which today is a museum and partially preserved memorial, paid homage to those killed by wearing striped scarves to symbolize the uniforms prisoners were given when they arrived at the concentration camp.

They walked slowly beneath the notorious gate with the words “Arbeit Macht Frei” (Work Will Set You Free) and made their way as a group to the execution wall, where they lit candles and prayed.

Janina Malec, a Polish survivor whose parents were killed at the execution wall, described her yearly visit as a “pilgrimage” and told the PAP news agency that “as long as I live I will come here.”
 
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That was harsh but the blitz killed 40,000 British civilians in battle of britain in 1940 compared to 25,000 people in dresden 1945 and some 40,000 in hamburg 1943.
Correct your figures, between 250,000 to 300,000 died in Dresden alone...more than the combined toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
53,000 died in Hamburg.
 
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