Remembering the biggest mass murder in the history of the world

[vostok]

Everyone likes to remember the victims of famine in the USSR in 1932-1933, but no one likes to remember that it was in Great Depression times. In the same years in the US, up to 7 million people died according to various estimates.
Stalin turned Russia, ruined by wars and revolutions, into a powerful industrial power, the second world economy and the world's leading military power.
Mao turned semi-feudal, fragmented, illiterate China into a unified and cohesive state, and achieved significant success in industrialization and mass education.
I am sure that all numbers in Western sources can be easily divided at least in 10.
Khrushchev was a scum who destroyed the world communist unity and in fact let the Western imperialists win the Cold War.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Why were the Jews always a victim of killing in this world's history ?

Because they were smart,proud(of their god being the original),wealthy,and often moneylenders which made them a ill-reputed target,and small in number that they could be attacked without fear of retaliation.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

we found a apologist for Great Leap Forward

I found an apologist of the greatest genocide in human history and still going strong.

Even by very, very, very conservative account of ONE million starved children under five yo per year since Indian independence, it would amount to 70 million. That does not mena Indian over the age of five were not affected by starvation. far from it. Now, lets say another million of Indians over the age of five also starve to death per year, that would amount to the horrendous amount of (70 +70) = 140 million genocide victims, or more than 10% of the current Indian population.

 

[wiseone2]

I found an apologist of the greatest genocide in human history and still going strong.

Even by very, very, very conservative account by ONE million starved children under five yo per year since Indian independence, it would amount to 70 million. That does not mena Indian over the age of five were not affected by starvation. far from it. Now, it's say another million of Indians over the age of five also starve to death per year, that would amount to the horrendous amount of (70 +70) = 140 million genocide victims, or more than 10% of the current Indian population.

While you are at it you should all the people who die in India from all reasons

 

[Götterdämmerung]

While you are at it you should all the people who die in India from all reasons

People die from all kinds of reasons in every country. But no other country has for 70 years starved millions of their weakest, the children, and calls it normal business.

 

[wiseone2]

People die from all kinds of reasons in every country. But no other country has for 70 years starved millions of their weakest, the children, and calls it normal business.

Africa has had worst famines. Your lapdog in Cambodia Khmer Rouge wiped out 20% of the Cambodia's population

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Africa has had worst famines. Your lapdog in Cambodia Khmer Rouge wiped out 20% of the Cambodia's population

Famines are most often natural disasters and they do occur either by nature or by false policy and at time both at the same time. How is Cambodia ever Germany's lapdog? It was once France's colony, we never had anything to do with Cambodia. You need to brush up your history education.

Even in Cambodia's case, it was a horrible event that happened once in a short period of time and not for 70 years.

Anyway, it seems that starving 140 million of your compatriots is not a big deal. Maybe most of the are of lower caste, so no big deal.

BTW, I like this Indian guy!

 

[leapx]

I just repeat something I already said on another forum.

Mao was still a figure in mist. A genius,best manipulator of power，best strategist ,ruthless dictator，romantic poet，passionate patriot.He was a figure of so many layers and so much contradiction. Even with what he did during the cultural revolution，he remains one of the greatest figure all long Chinese history.Foreigner's comments on Mao usually make me speechless. We don't even know him，how could they？

Mao had strong sympathy for ordinary people. He was the one that lead those people to build a new country. those people are source of his power. he believe and love those people.

It were intellectuals and officials that Mao dont trust.

It is true many were starved to death during those years.It was the fault of the whole party and Mao was the party leader. But it is bullshit that Mao wanted it to happen. The number is bullshit too. we don't even know.

Why? Deng ended the mess of Mao by a simple conclusion:30% mistake,70% credit.why didn't dig deeper? China need to move on to catch up, it is much more important.He was right.

China suffered a lot since 1840 until Mao and his comrades found a way.

Here I want to talk about Chinese special socialism. I think it is national capitalism. Or Deng said，black or white, It is a good cat if it catch mouse. The name does not matter if
the system works to creat wealth and redistribute equitably.

It seems China made a big U turn from the way of Mao. But I want to say it does't mean we made the wrong choice at first.

Socialism/communism is a reflection of capitalism's darkness.Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels saw enough of capitalism's weakness,greedy,crime. they thought capitalism was doomed and the answer was to overthrow the whole system and replace it with socialism/communism. they were wrong.
Social welfare reform and scientific progress help wealthy countries triumph against temptation of revolution while Russian and China did not have material base for such reform.
Both socialism and capitalism have problem.

We are not blind. We dont forget Mao. We see good things and bad things.

Remember this,no matter how much one boasting about freedom and unlimited access to information, one can still be hypocritical,narrow-minded idiots. Always read with your brain.

 

[TaiShang]

Famines are most often natural disasters and they do occur either by nature or by false policy and at time both at the same time. How is Cambodia ever Germany's lapdog? It was once France's colony, we never had anything to do with Cambodia. You need to brush up your history education.

Even in Cambodia's case, it was a horrible event that happened once in a short period of time and not for 70 years.

Anyway, it seems that starving 140 million of your compatriots is not a big deal. Maybe most of the are of lower caste, so no big deal.

BTW, I like this Indian guy!

Killing children in millions for 70 years is one of the pinnacles of Indian fake democracy.

Add to the count those who perished from preventable diseases in later age, the number gets even more horrible.

Yet, killing off lower strata and calling it India style government is an Indian specialty.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Everyone likes to remember the victims of famine in the USSR in 1932-1933, but no one likes to remember that it was in Great Depression times. In the same years in the US, up to 7 million people died according to various estimates.
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Ridiculous!

7 million people did not die from the 1930's Great Depression. The death rate did not change at all. However there was one bad year where New York had ~120 people die from starvation.