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By the way is there a Pakistani Army presence in so called Azad Kashmir (Pakistan occupied Kashmir)...I think that is also called Forced occupation.... Kashmirs never Invited Pakistanis to Protect their borders...It was Pakistan fed So called Army men who did that in 1947.....

The Indian army came to Jammu and Kashmir not as army of invasion; rather they came on request of the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir.

On 22 October 1947 some parts of the State were invaded by unruly tribal warriors, killing and pillaging on their way to Srinagar, the Maharaja's forces were not able to defend the State territory.

The Maharaja had two choices: either let these tribesmen run over the country and destroy everything or seek help from India - he chose the later.

The Maharaja could not have got help from the government of Pakistan as they betrayed his trust; and despite the Standstill Agreement with the Maharaja, they stopped all the necessary supplies to the State and managed the tribal invasion to punish the Maharaja for not yielding to the demands of the Pakistani rulers who wanted State's accession to Pakistan.

The Maharaja requested help from India, and signed an accession treaty on 26th October 1947, which was 'provisionally' accepted by the government of India. In line with the request of the Maharaja the Indian forces landed in Srinagar on 27th October 1947. Their primary purpose was to save the State from the invaders; and protect 'life', 'liberty' and 'property'.

Mahraja sold the Kashmiris against their will which was not his domain. Secondly the people of Kashmir do not want Indian invader Army. mahraja only wanted to save his rule.

Kashmir is international dispute on UN relsoultion it is not part of India hence those who are fighting against Indian invasion are Freedom Fighters too.

They need due space in this thread. So yes lets continue with this beautiful thread.


On the other hand about your argument about Azad Kashmir, there is no armed rebellion here in Azad Kashmir. If there any starts in future that too by local Kashmiris then indeed iwill call it a freedom struggle so now move on.

for time being there is none.:cheers:
 
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Mahraja sold the Kashmiris against their will which was not his domain. Secondly the people of Kashmir do not want Indian invader Army. mahraja only wanted to save his rule.

Kashmir is international dispute on UN relsoultion it is not part of India hence those who are fighting against Indian invasion are Freedom Fighters too.

They need due space in this thread. So yes lets continue with this beautiful thread.


On the other hand about your argument about Azad Kashmir, there is no armed rebellion here in Azad Kashmir. If there any starts in future that too by local Kashmiris then indeed iwill call it a freedom struggle so now move on.

for time being there is none.:cheers:

It was the Maharajah..he practically owned the state...so he did whatever he did was right for his Property.....as the other Maharajahs/Nawabs did back in 1947...some joined Pakistan...some joined India..........no one asked his population ....it was a royal decision...The Kings and Nawabs of states who wanted to join Pakistan Joined Pakistan...The states which wanted to join India Joined India...whatever the reason may be....

And Pakistan can enjoy the Non revolt in *** till the time India does not decide to sponsor cross LOC terrorism just like Pakistan does in Indian Side Of Kashmir.
 
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Sultan Fateh Ali Tipu (Kannada: ಟಿಪ್ಪು ಸುಲ್ತಾನ್)(Urdu: سلطان فتح علی خان ٹیپو )
November 1750, Devanahalli – 4 May 1799, Srirangapattana), also known as the Tiger of Mysore, was the de facto ruler of the Indian Kingdom of Mysore from 1782 (the time of his father's death) until his own demise in 1799. He was the first son of Hyder Ali by his second wife, Fatima or Fakhr-un-nissa. His full name is Sultan Fateh Ali Khan Shahab or Tipu Saheb Tipu Sultan. In addition to his role as ruler, he was a scholar, soldier, and poet. He was a devout Muslim but the majority of his subjects were Hindus. At the request of the French, he built a church, the first in Mysore. In alliance with the French in their struggle with the British both Tippu Sultan and Hyder Ali did not hesitate to use their French trained army against the Marathas, Sira, Malabar, Coorg and Bednur. He was proficient in many languages.[1] He helped his father Hyder Ali defeat the British in the Second Mysore War, and negotiated the Treaty of Mangalore with them. However, he was defeated in the Third Anglo-Mysore War and in the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War by the combined forces of the British East India Company, the Nizam of Hyderabad and to a lesser extent, Travancore. Tippu Sultan died defending his capital Srirangapattana, on 4 May 1799.

Sir Walter Scott, commenting on the abdication of Napoleon Bonaparte in 1814, wrote:

"Although I never supposed that he [=Napoleon] possessed, allowing for some difference of education, the liberality of conduct and political views which were sometimes exhibited by old Haidar Ally, yet I did think he [=Napoleon] might have shown the same resolved and dogged spirit of resolution which induced Tippoo Saib to die manfully upon the breach of his capital city with his sabre clenched in his hand."[cite this quote]


Early life

Tippu Sultan was born at Devanahalli, in present-day Bangalore District, some 33 km (21 mi) east of Bangalore city. The exact date of his birth is not known; various sources claim various dates between 1749 and 1753. According to one widely accepted dating, he was born on 10 November, 1750 (Friday, 10th Dhu al-Hijjah, 1163 AH). His father, Hyder Ali, was the de facto ruler of Mysore. His mother Fatima or Fakhr-un-nissa was the daughter of Shahal Tariq, governor of the fort of Cuddapah. He was also a strongly religious man, there is a conflict between Sunni-Shia practice of religion.[citation needed] He built a church, the first in Mysore, at the request of the French. He was a noted linguist, Islamic patriot.


His rule

During his rule, Tippu Sultan laid the foundation for a dam where the famous Krishna Raja Sagara Dam across the river Cauvery was later built.[2][3] He also completed the project of Lal Bagh started by his father Hyder Ali, and built roads, public buildings, and ports along the Kerala shoreline. His trade extended to countries which included Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, France, Turkey, and Iran. Under his leadership, the Mysore army proved to be a school of military science to Indian princes. The serious blows that Tippu Sultan inflicted on the British in the First and Second Mysore Wars affected their reputation as an invincible power. Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam, the former President of India, in his Tippu Sultan Shaheed Memorial Lecture in Bangalore (30 November 1991), called Tippu Sultan the innovator of the world’s first war rocket. Two of these rockets, captured by the British at Srirangapatna, are displayed in the Royal Artillery Museum in London. Most of Tippu Sultan's campaigns resulted in successes. He managed to subdue all the petty kingdoms in the south. He defeated the Marathas and the Nizams and was also one of the few Indian rulers to have defeated British armies. He is said to have started a coinage system, banking system, a new calendar, and a new system of weights and measures.[citation needed] He was well versed in Urdu, Kannada, Persian, and Arabic. Tippu was supposed to become a Sufi, but his father Hyder Ali insisted he become a capable soldier and a great leader.

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Attitude towards Hindus
Main articles: Captivity of Coorgis at Seringapatam and Captivity of Nairs at Seringapatam

As a Muslim ruler in a largely Hindu domain, Tippu Sultan faced problems in establishing the legitimacy of his rule, and in reconciling his desire to be seen as a devout Islamic ruler with the need to be pragmatic to avoid antagonising the majority of his subjects. His religious legacy has become a source of considerable controversy in the subcontinent. Some groups proclaim him a great warrior for the faith or Ghazi, while a large number of groups revile him as a bigot who massacred Hindus.[4][5]

Some historians claim that he had an egalitarian attitude towards Hindus and was harsh towards them only when politically expedient.[6] In the first part of his reign in particular he appears to have been notably more aggressive and religiously doctrinaire than his father, Hyder Ali.[7] Some historians claim that Tippu Sultan was a religious persecutor of Hindus.[5] In 1780 CE he declared himself to be the Padishah or Emperor of Mysore, and struck coinage in his own name without reference to the reigning Mughal Emperor Shah Alam II. H. D. Sharma writes that in his correspondence with other Islamic rulers such as Zaman Shah of Afghanistan, Tippu Sultan used this title and declared that he intended to establish an empire in the entire country, along the lines of the Mughal Empire which was at its nadir during the period in question.[8] His alliance with the French was supposedly aimed at achieving this goal by driving his main rivals, the British, out of the subcontinent.

It is believed that Tipu ordered Shamaiya Iyengar to be blinded. However, Tipu himself forgave Shamaiya when Shamaiya's son bravely defended against the British during the last Anglo-Mysore War, dying due to a gunshot in the chest.[9] Noted historian Hayavadana C. Rao, writing for the Raja of Mysore, wrote about Tippu in his encyclopaedic work The History of Mysore. He asserted that Tippu's "religious fanaticism and the excesses committed in the name of religion, both in Mysore and in the provinces, stand condemned for all time. His bigotry, indeed, was so great that it precluded all ideas of toleration". He further asserts that the acts of Tippu that were constructive towards Hindus were largely political and ostentatious rather than an indication of genuine tolerance

Brittlebank, Hasan, Chetty, Habib and Saletare, amongst others, argue that stories of Tippu Sultan's religious persecution of Hindus and Christians are largely derived from the work of early British authors such as Kirkpatrick[10] and Wilks,[11] whom they do not consider to be entirely reliable.[12] A. S. Chetty argues that Wilks’ account in particular cannot be trusted,[13] Irfan Habib and Mohibbul Hasan argues that these early British authors had a strong vested interest in presenting Tippu Sultan as a tyrant from whom the British had "liberated" Mysore.[14] This assessment is echoed by Brittlebank in her recent work where she writes that Wilks and Kirkpatrick must be used with particular care as both authors had taken part in the wars against Tippu Sultan and were closely connected to the administrations of Lord Cornwallis and Richard Wellesley, 1st Marquess Wellesley.[15]

Mohibbul Hasan, Prof. Sheikh Ali, and other historians cast great doubt on the scale of the deportations and forced conversions in Coorg in particular, and Hasan says that the British versions of what happened were intended to malign Tippu Sultan, and to be used as propaganda against him.[16] He argues that little reliance can be placed in Muslim accounts such as Kirmani’s Nishan-e Haidari; in their anxiety to represent the Sultan as a champion of Islam, they had a tendency to exaggerate and distort the facts: Kirmani claims that 70,000 Coorgis were converted, when forty years later the entire population of Coorg was still less than that number. According to Ramchandra Rao "Punganuri" the true number of converts was about 500.[17] The portrayal of Tippu Sultan as a religious bigot is disputed, and some sources suggest that he in fact often embraced religious pluralism.[18]

Tippu Sultan's treasurer was Krishna Rao, Shamaiya Iyengar was his Minister of Post and Police, his brother Ranga Iyengar was also an officer, and Purnaiya held the very important post of "Mir Asaf". Moolchand and Sujan Rai were his chief agents at the Mughal court, and his chief "Peshkar", Suba Rao, was also a Hindu.[19] There is such evidence as grant deeds, and correspondence between his court and temples, and his having donated jewellery and deeded land grants to several temples, which some claim he was compelled to do in order to make alliances with Hindu rulers. Between 1782 and 1799 Tippu Sultan issued 34 sanads (deeds) of endowment to temples in his domain, while also presenting many of them with gifts of silver and gold plate. The Srikanteswara Temple in Nanjangud still possesses a jewelled cup presented by the Sultan.[20]

In 1791 some Maratha horsemen under Raghunath Rao Patwardhan raided the temple and monastery of Sringeri Shankaracharya, killing and wounding many, and plundering the monastery of all its valuable possessions. The incumbent Shankaracharya petitioned Tippu Sultan for help. A bunch of about 30 letters written in Kannada, which were exchanged between Tippu Sultan's court and the Sringeri Shankaracharya were discovered in 1916 by the Director of Archaeology in Mysore. Tippu Sultan expressed his indignation and grief at the news of the raid, and wrote:

People who have sinned against such a holy place are sure to suffer the consequences of their misdeeds at no distant date in this Kali age in accordance with the verse: "Hasadbhih kriyate karma ruladbhir-anubhuyate" (People do [evil] deeds smilingly but suffer the consequences crying)."[21]

He immediately ordered the Asaf of Bednur to supply the Swami with 200 rahatis (fanams) in cash and other gifts and articles. Tippu Sultan's interest in the Sringeri temple continued for many years, and he was still writing to the Swami in the 1790s CE.[22] In light of this and other events, B.A. Saletare has described Tippu Sultan as a defender of the Hindu dharma, who also patronized other temples including one at Melkote, for which he issued a Kannada decree that the Shrivaishnava invocatory verses there should be recited in the traditional form. The temple at Melkote still has gold and silver vessels with inscriptions indicating that they were presented by the Sultan. Tippu Sultan also presented four silver cups to the Lakshmikanta Temple at Kalale.[23] Tippu Sultan does seem to have repossessed unauthorised grants of land made to Brahmins and temples, but those which had proper sanads were not. It was a normal practice for any ruler, Muslim or Hindu, on his accession or on the conquest of new territory.

The Srikanteswara temple at Nanjungud was presented with a jewelled cup and some precious stones. To another temple, Nanjundeswara, in the same town of Nanjungud, he gave a greenish linga; to Ranganatha temple at Srirangapatana he gifted seven silver cups and a silver camphor burner. This temple was hardly a stone's throw from his palace from where he would listen with equal respect to the ringing of temple bells and the muezzin's call from the mosque.[24]


Tippu Sultan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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^^^^ I agree with the above Jana. You cannot shift the goalpost between accession and people's will depending on what suits you better at a given time.

Its also pretty clear to everyone here that what qualifies as Freedom Fighter for one may be a Terrorist/Brigand for another, depending on which side of the struggle you happen to be standing on.

So instead of playing with semantics I agree that we should lay off this thread and celebrate each and every brave man and woman who fought the British to give us (both of us) our Freedom.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Mahraja sold the Kashmiris against their will which was not his domain. Secondly the people of Kashmir do not want Indian invader Army. mahraja only wanted to save his rule.

Kashmir is international dispute on UN relsoultion it is not part of India hence those who are fighting against Indian invasion are Freedom Fighters too.

They need due space in this thread. So yes lets continue with this beautiful thread.


On the other hand about your argument about Azad Kashmir, there is no armed rebellion here in Azad Kashmir. If there any starts in future that too by local Kashmiris then indeed iwill call it a freedom struggle so now move on.

for time being there is none.:cheers:

So can killing innocents be justified on these grounds? So freedom fighters have the right to kill innocents if it is a disputed territory..

In the same way there is armed rebellion in Balochistan I believe. So they going by the same concept they are also freedom fighters if I am not wrong. I dont think freedom struggle is not allowed in un disputed territory.
 
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So can killing innocents be justified on these grounds? So freedom fighters have the right to kill innocents if it is a disputed territory..

In the same way there is armed rebellion in Balochistan I believe. So they going by the same concept they are also freedom fighters if I am not wrong. I dont think freedom struggle is not allowed in un disputed territory.

Actually we have quite a different view when it comes to the definition of freedom fighting. Any Islamic land (where the majority of people are Muslims) if occupied by foreign forces is an occupied land; like Kashmir, Chechnya and Afghanistan etc where people fighting for their independence are freedom fighters. However any rebellion in Islamic land to create a new land based on ethnic grounds is wrong (by the way nothing such is going on in Balochistan) but people can struggle for their rights as given by Islam if state is not providing them their rights.

There are obviously some opportunists also in any struggle who try to gain their benefits and they may work for the opposite forces like you have said (killing innocents etc) to provide justification for the occupier forces and they basically are called ‘Traitors’.

Hope this satisfies you.
 
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Actually we have quite a different view when it comes to the definition of freedom fighting. Any Islamic land (where the majority of people are Muslims) if occupied by foreign forces is an occupied land; like Kashmir, Chechnya and Afghanistan etc where people fighting for their independence are freedom fighters. However any rebellion in Islamic land to create a new land based on ethnic grounds is wrong (by the way nothing such is going on in Balochistan) but people can struggle for their rights as given by Islam if state is not providing them their rights.

There are obviously some opportunists also in any struggle who try to gain their benefits and they may work for the opposite forces like you have said (killing innocents etc) to provide justification for the occupier forces and they basically are called ‘Traitors’.

Hope this satisfies you.

Yes I do agree with majority of your points.

But are these traitors qualified enough to achieve the status of Freedom fighters? There is huge lot of difference.
 
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@salman nedian, thanks for the informative post on Tipu Sultan espicially on his involvement on defending Hindu temples against negihbouring kings. I wasn't aware of that.

From the Islamic point of view, as long as the law of lan provides you to practice and preach you faith with no interference, there is no requirement to fight. Its only if these freedoms are suppressed that it becomes an issue. Most groups that use Islam as their reason to fight fail to check this basic criteria.

However, coming out of the theological aspect, freedom fighters can tend to be terrorists particularly when they target innocent civilians. Examples includes Basque ETA group in France, LTTE in Sri Lanka and so on. These people are fighting for political reasons
 
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Ashfaqulla Khan was born in Shahjahanpur, Uttar Pradesh. His father, Shafiqur Rahman was posted in the police department. His mother's name was Mazharunissa. Ashfaqullah was the youngest amongst his six siblings. Ashfaq was in school when Mahatma Gandhi called the Non-Cooperation Movement.

The revolutionaries felt that soft words of non violence could not win India its Independence and therefore they wanted to make use of bombs revolvers and other weapons to instill fear in the hearts of the British empire. The British Empire was large and strong. The withdrawal of the non cooperation movement united revolutionaries scattered in the country. This revolutionary movement required money to support its need. One day while traveling on a train from Shahjanpur to Lucknow Ram Prasad noticed stationmaster bringing money bags into the guards van. This was a beginning of a Dacoity called Kakori train robbery.

To give a fillip to their movement and buy arms and ammunition to carry out their activities, the revolutionaries organised a meeting on August 8, 1925 in Shahjahanpur. After a lot of deliberations it was decided to loot the government treasury carried in the trains. On 9 August 1925 Ashfaqulla and other revolutionaries, namely Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil, Rajendra Lahiri, Thakur Roshan Singh, Sachindra Bakshi, Chandrashekar Azad, Keshab Chakravarthy, Banwari Lal, Mukundi Lal, Manmathnath Gupta looted the train carrying British government money in Kakori near Lucknow.

On the morning of 26 September 1925, Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil was caught by the police and Ashfaq was the only one untraced by the police. Ashfaq went into hiding and moved to Banaras from Bihar where he worked in an engineering company for 10 months. Ashfaq wanted to move abroad to learn engineering to further help the freedom struggle and so he went to Delhi to find out ways to move out of the country. He took the help of one of his Pathan friend who in turn betrayed him by informing the police about his whereabouts. Tasadruk Khan then superintendent of police tried to play the caste politics with Ashfaq and tried to win him over by provoking him against Hinduism but Ashfaq was a strong willed Indian who surprised Tasadruk Khan by saying "Khan Sahib, I am quite sure that Hindu India will be much better than British India."[3]

Ashfaqullah Khan was detained in the Faizabad jail. A case was filed against Ashfaqullah. His brother Riyasatullah was his counsel who fought the case till the very end. While in jail, Ashfaqullah recited the Quran. The case for the Kakori dacoity was concluded by awarding death sentence to Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil, Ashfaqulla Khan, Rajendra Lahiri and Thankur Roshan Singh. The others were given life sentences.

By an eyewitness account, on a wednesday, four days before he was hanged, two english officers looked into the cell where Ashfaqulla Khan was lodged. He was in the middle of his namaz. "“I’d like to see how much of that faith remains in him when we hang the ra.t,” quipped one of them.

On Monday, 19th December, 1927, Ashfaqullah Khan is known to have taken two steps at a time, as he walked upto the post. When his chains were released, he reached for the rope and kissed it. "My hands are not soiled with the murder of man. The charge against me is false. God will give me justice. la ilahi il allah, mohammed ur rasool allah." The noose came around his neck and the movement lost one of its shining stars.

He walked into history, a fearless martyr, the first muslim revolutionary to hang

The actions of Ashfaqullah Khan and his compatriots have recently been depicted in an Aamir Khan starrer hit Bollywood movie Rang De Basanti,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashfaqullah_Khan
 
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Chandrasekhar Azad

Chandrashekhar Sitaram Tiwari, better known as Chandrasekhar Azad (July 23, 1906 Bhavra, Jhabua District, Madhya Pradesh – February 27, 1931, Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh) is one of the most important Indian revolutionaries, and is considered the mentor of Bhagat Singh.

Revolutionary
Chandrashekar Azad's dead body kept on public display by the British to serve as a warning message for other revolutionaries.

Azad was one among a young generation of Indians who were deeply inspired by Mahatma Gandhi and the launch of the Non-Cooperation Movement in 1920 and took an active part in it. But like many, Azad was disillusioned with Gandhi's suspension of the struggle in 1922 due to the Chauri Chaura massacre of 22 policemen. Although Gandhi was appalled by the brutal violence, Azad did not feel that violence was unacceptable in such a struggle, especially in view of the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre of 1919, when a British Army unit killed hundreds of unarmed civilians and wounded thousands in Amritsar. The Jallianwala Bagh Massacre deeply influenced young Azad and his contemporaries.

He once claimed that as his name was "Azad," he would never be taken alive by police. That is why he killed himself towards the end of a shootout with the police. Azad also believed that India's future lay in socialism. Allegedly, he was aware of the informer who betrayed him to the police.

[edit] His friendship with Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil

Azad was a very good friend of Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil. Azad and Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil were the founding members, and pillars of HRA.

[edit] In Jhansi

In his very brief life of less than 25 years, Chandrashekhar Azad had made Jhansi his organisation's hub for a considerable duration. He chose the forest of Orchha (15 kilometers from Jhansi) for practising shooting. He was a brilliant shooter and he used to train other members of his group here. Near the forests, on the banks of a small river called Saataar, near the temple of Lord hanuman, he established a small hut. He started living there in the disguise of Pandit Harishankar Brahmachari. He started teaching kids of the residents of nearby village Dhimarpura, and established good rapport with the local people. The village Dhimarpura is now named after him and is known as Azadpura.

In Jhansi, he learnt how to drive a car at Bundelkhand Motor Garage in Sadar Bazaar, in cantonement area. In Jhansi, he met Sadashiv Rao Malkapurkar, Vishwanath Vaishampayan, Bhagwan Das Mahaur and they all became integral part of his revolutionary group. The then congress leaders from Jhansi Pandit Raghunath Vinayak Dhulekar and Pandit Sitaram Bhaskar Bhagwat were also close aides of Chandrashekhar Azad.

Chandrashekhar Azad stayed in Master Rudranarayan Singh's house at Nai Basti and Pandit Sitaram Bhaskar Bhagwat's house in Nagra.

Jhansi was a safe place in Chandrashekhar Azad's words and as soon as he left Jhansi, he became a victim of betrayal from one of his former group members.

[edit] With Bhagat Singh

The Hindustan Republican Association (HRA) was formed by Sachindranath Sanyal just after one year of the Non co-operation movement in 1923. In the aftermath of the Kakori train robbery in 1925, the British clamped down on revolutionary activities. Sentenced to death for their participation were Pandit Ram Prasad Bismil, Ashfaqullah Khan, Thakur Roshan Singh and Rajendra Lahiri. Two escaped capture, Sunderlal Gupta as well as Azad. Azad reorganized the HRA with the help of secondary revolutionaries like Shiva Varma and Mahaveer Singh. He was also an associate of Rasbihari Bose. Azad, along with Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev, and Rajguru, transformed the HRA into the HSRA (Hindustan Socialist Republican Association) in 1927, whose goal was complete Indian independence based on socialist principles.

[edit] Death

In 1931 azad was living in Jhunsi area of Allahabad. One of his close friend Tiwari shook hands with the Britishers on the cost of heavy wealth. On 27 Feb 1931 Azad was planning some activities with Sukhdev. Tiwari saw him there and reported their presence to police. Within few minutes policemen surrounded the whole park. On the initial encounter, Azad suffered a bullet on his thighs thus making it impossible to escape. But he somehow made the chance of Sukhdev to survive by covering him. After sukhdev escaped he kept the police on hold for a long time. At last only one bullet was left. Being surrounded, Chandrashekhar Azad shot himself, keeping his pledge to not be captured alive. It is said that the Indian soldiers who saw him die did not approach his dead body for 20 minutes. He had always induced the guilt of Indian soldiers and policemen working for the British government, wherever he went, claiming that 'they were not of the true Indian blood'. His COLT pistol is still kept in Allahabad Museum and is a great attraction of tourist. His very rare photographs are also placed there in museum.
 
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So can killing innocents be justified on these grounds? So freedom fighters have the right to kill innocents if it is a disputed territory..


In Indian held Kashmir the Indian army is equiped with latest weapons rather more advacned one than even the one we have in our army. So how can you call these armed to teeth soldiers as innocent?


In the same way there is armed rebellion in Balochistan I believe. So they going by the same concept they are also freedom fighters if I am not wrong. I dont think freedom struggle is not allowed in un disputed territory.

Balochistan is not some occupied country its legal part of Pakistan and i say it again anyone who will take up arms against Pakistan they are terrorists.

Armed rebellion is only acceptable where one country is occupying another just like the case in Held Kashmir, the case of Afghanistan.
 
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In Indian held Kashmir the Indian army is equiped with latest weapons rather more advacned one than even the one we have in our army. So how can you call these armed to teeth soldiers as innocent?




Balochistan is not some occupied country its legal part of Pakistan and i say it again anyone who will take up arms against Pakistan they are terrorists.

Armed rebellion is only acceptable where one country is occupying another just like the case in Held Kashmir, the case of Afghanistan.

In Indian held Kashmir the Indian army is equiped with latest weapons rather more advacned one than even the one we have in our army. So how can you call these armed to teeth soldiers as innocent?

No one is calling them terrorist. We call them army who is fighting against those who kill on the name of religion and malign the religion for the whole community killing the innocents.. Same freedom fighters have been involved with the blasts in Mumbai, Delhi to name a few. Those people who died were not armed to teeth for your information. These people are damn terrorists. And I believe Indian army is doing a great job shooting them right between the eyes and same treatment should be given to those who support such crimes against the innocents as if left alive they will definitely make some one innocent a widow, a orphan.

I agree with your Balochistan concept.

Armed rebellion does not justifies innocent killing.

By the way we consider Pakistan as the occupying force in Kashmir and you consider us. So it is the perception and we cannot change it.
 
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