Religious parties have links with militants: Bilour

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Religious parties have links with militants: Bilour
PAKISTAN - 24 FEBRUARY 2010

PESHAWAR: NWFP senior minister Bashir Ahmed Bilour on Wednesday said the death of former Jamat-i-Islami MNA Inayat Begum’s son while handling explosives in Gur Mandi was evidence that religious parties had links with militants.

Speaking to the media at Bana Mari, Bashir Bilour said religious parties must stop supporting militants and their activities to establish peace in the region

He said in Wednesday’s mysterious rocket attack in the Bana Mari area, a family linked to the Jamiat-i-Ulema-i-Islam (Fazl) had suffered the casualties.

Bilour said there was still no evidence with the bomb disposal squad regarding the rocket attack and they were probing the incident.

He further said militants were still present on Peshawar’s outskirts and posed a serious threat to people’s security.


Source: DAWN Media Group

 

[seekers]

Religious parties have links with militants: Bilour
PAKISTAN - 24 FEBRUARY 2010

PESHAWAR: NWFP senior minister Bashir Ahmed Bilour on Wednesday said the death of former Jamat-i-Islami MNA Inayat Begum’s son while handling explosives in Gur Mandi was evidence that religious parties had links with militants.

Speaking to the media at Bana Mari, Bashir Bilour said religious parties must stop supporting militants and their activities to establish peace in the region

He said in Wednesday’s mysterious rocket attack in the Bana Mari area, a family linked to the Jamiat-i-Ulema-i-Islam (Fazl) had suffered the casualties.

Bilour said there was still no evidence with the bomb disposal squad regarding the rocket attack and they were probing the incident.

He further said militants were still present on Peshawar’s outskirts and posed a serious threat to people’s security.


Source: DAWN Media Group

This is Naked Truth,nobody want to see that.

 

[mjnaushad]

Well its kind of true......But they are no more in power.

 

[Awesome]

That's not CLEAR evidence. I like to diss religious parties as much as the other guy, but the reasons have to be valid.

They give ideological support like talking in the same fundamentalist terms as they do, but they are too much like politicians to risk their lives through militancy.

Of course Bilour's ANP, and the religious parties are competing for votes with ANP. It makes sense for Bilour to try to overstretch the truth.

 

[S-2]

Asim,

Very reasoned response. I hope the same reason prevails with you when others here attempt to accuse political parties in Afghanistan of sponsoring anti-Pakistani elements.

Personally, I think that they do just as I think JUI in Pakistan does. It's a slippery slope that has been anecdotally common enough through the years. Fringe parties and militant wings isn't anything new.

I also think that Hezb-i-islami supports Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. Nonetheless, I like your argument and hope that it's not a one-sided view.

Thanks.

 

[Spring Onion]

ANP is at odds with JUI(F) in NWFP no doubt about it.

However its a fact that JUI(Fazlur Rehman faction) was activley involved in mustering support for first Afghan war against Russia.

JUI(F) still have some influence in South Waziristan.

Mulana Fazlur Rehman is a tout who can do anything for money and rule which had made him a cause of anger for those whom he had mobilized for first Afghan war.

Bashir Bilour's statement linking yesterday's attack on a house killing innocent childern, with JUI (F) is baseless.

As far as Hizb-e-Islami is concerned it is headed by Gulbadin and Gulbadin is a very pragmatic fighter. He had adopted a very wise policy viz a viz fighting the US/NATO in Afghanistan against current invasion.

He refused to side with Taliban and al-Qaeda. Thats what makes him better than others as he has a clear vision what to do

 

[seekers]

ANP is at odds with JUI(F) in NWFP no doubt about it.

However its a fact that JUI(Fazlur Rehman faction) was activley involved in mustering support for first Afghan war against Russia.

JUI(F) still have some influence in South Waziristan.

Mulana Fazlur Rehman is a tout who can do anything for money and rule which had made him a cause of anger for those whom he had mobilized for first Afghan war.

Bashir Bilour's statement linking yesterday's attack on a house killing innocent childern, with JUI (F) is baseless.

As far as Hizb-e-Islami is concerned it is headed by Gulbadin and Gulbadin is a very pragmatic fighter. He had adopted a very wise policy viz a viz fighting the US/NATO in Afghanistan against current invasion.

He refused to side with Taliban and al-Qaeda. Thats what makes him better than others as he has a clear vision what to do

please correct your info. JUI has no role before withdraw of Russia.
Infact, molvi fazlu rehman had send taliban(madressas cadets) to fight for a land with Newly Afghan Govt. Their role was to create a fisad in Afghanistan which we are now paying.
These fanatic creating mullahs are getting funds for their jihadi job. Their own sons are enjoying study and jobs in US and they are motivating the foolish people to join jihad.
Miss Jana! If you want reality about JUI, than go DI.Khan and find their evil job before Wazirastan operation.

 

[Spring Onion]

please correct your info. JUI has no role before withdraw of Russia.
Infact, molvi fazlu rehman had send taliban(madressas cadets) to fight for a land with Newly Afghan Govt. Their role was to create a fisad in Afghanistan which we are now paying.
These fanatic creating mullahs are getting funds for their jihadi job. Their own sons are enjoying study and jobs in US and they are motivating the foolish people to join jihad.
Miss Jana! If you want reality about JUI, than go DI.Khan and find their evil job before Wazirastan operation.

I know very well about JUI and its different factions and their role.

Before Russian withdrawl JUI and JI and many current factions of these parties were working togather. Many Mujahideen who fought against Russia were groomed by these parties in madrassas.


Their role had always been there.

I agree with you that these mullas use others while their sons and daughters are enjoying the luxuries.

As far as DI Khan is concerned the people there are now wise enough to shun mullah desiel and its a fact that he even lost his own seat from his native town.

The most regretful thing is the western countries and US officials still visit these mullas for carrying on their agenda.

 

[seekers]

I know very well about JUI and its different factions and their role.

Before Russian withdrawl JUI and JI and many current factions of these parties were working togather. Many Mujahideen who fought against Russia were groomed by these parties in madrassas.


Their role had always been there.

I agree with you that these mullas use others while their sons and daughters are enjoying the luxuries.

As far as DI Khan is concerned the people there are now wise enough to shun mullah desiel and its a fact that he even lost his own seat from his native town.

The most regretful thing is the western countries and US officials still visit these mullas for carrying on their agenda.

Once again i have to correct this contradiction.
They did,nt groomed the mujahadeins to fight with Russia, they groomed BHGORRAS(fleeing from jihad) who had came Pakistan and join madressas.
NA, which you said Anti-Pakistani, had faced Russia on Front-line.We had lose their trust after sending taliban to destabilize their Newly Govt. NA. are not our enemy, we had made them enemy with our bad desire of capturing Afghanistan through taliban.
I think we need some more time to get lesson. certainly more lives more sacrifices.
US. had got lesson with one 911, but we still don't even numbers of 911s in our country.

 

[Spring Onion]

Once again i have to correct this contradiction.
They did,nt groomed the mujahadeins to fight with Russia, they groomed BHGORRAS(fleeing from jihad) who had came Pakistan and join madressas.
NA, which you said Anti-Pakistani, had faced Russia on Front-line.We had lose their trust after sending taliban to destabilize their Newly Govt. NA. are not our enemy, we had made them enemy with our bad desire of capturing Afghanistan through taliban.
I think we need some more time to get lesson. certainly more lives more sacrifices.
US. had got lesson with one 911, but we still don't even numbers of 911s in our country.

You seems to be inclinded toward shia elements backed by Iran

For your information NA people were also our boys its another matter that Idiot Gen Durrani had damaged Pakistan by excluding NA.

And NA was not the only one which faced Russians. Infact it was a joint Jehad.


After withdrawl of Russia, it was unfortunate that all of them were fighting each other for ruling Afghanistan and that was the turning point which had ruined everything.

 

[S-2]

"We had lose their trust after sending taliban to destabilize their Newly Govt."

I think that capped that loss of trust but there were indications (IIRC from past readings) that the ISI favored some from the Peshawar seven over others and, therefore, aid and arms was not evenly distributed.

What's also interesting is the reaction of Zuffikar Ali Bhutto's government to the pro-pashtun nationalist Daoud in Afghanistan. There are suggestions that Pakistan supported many anti-pashtun elements between 1974-1978 to provide an afghan opposition to the Daoud regime-

Afghansi Groups: The Peshawar Seven-Executive Intelligence Review Oct. 13, 1995

Thanks.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I hope the same reason prevails with you when others here attempt to accuse political parties in Afghanistan of sponsoring anti-Pakistani elements.

Political dynamics in Afghanistan can in no way be compared to that which prevails in Pakistan .. ! Not to mention the most honest election which Karzai won

Regards

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Personally, I think that they do just as I think JUI in Pakistan does. It's a slippery slope that has been anecdotally common enough through the years. Fringe parties and militant wings isn't anything new.

Noooee !!! have you forgot that whose giving refuge to Brhamdad Bugti the leader of terrorist BLA. again theres no comparison .

Brahamdagh Bugti Pakistan Ka Khuda Hafiz

http://www.pakistanherald.com/Profile/Nawabzada-Brahamdagh-Khan-Bugti-772

Provide any such links of JUI with those who fight ISAF in Afghanistan...!

 

[S-2]

"Political dynamics in Afghanistan can in no way be compared to that which prevails in Pakistan..."

Why is that? What dynamic ruled Pakistan before Zardari? Was that rule by Musharraf before Zardari by electoral consent? ANY electoral consent?

I don't care to drift too far from the topic and have alluded to the Hezb-i-islami party as led by an enemy of Afghanistan, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, but possessing a member of Karzai's cabinet also and a number of positions within Karzai's government. This, of course, reflects the fracturing of HI back in 1979 that eventually led into three groupings (HIG, HI Maulawi Khalis and, finally, HIA).

"Provide any such links of JUI with those who fight ISAF in Afghanistan...!"

I'd recommend Ahmad Rashid's book Taliban-Militant Islam, Oil And Fundamentalism In Central Asia. You might research that as well.

Here's another that suggest the Madrassas run by JuI are critical to Omar's recruitment of troops-

Mullah Fazl ur Rahman:Taleban Mentor-Mohammad Abbasi Feb. 21, 2010

Oh! And one more-

Hizb-I-Islami Gulbuddin-Institute For The Study Of War

There are, in fact, quite a few allegations suggesting JuI's involvement with a number of these groups but something tells me you'd eithere dismiss them in some cases while supporting such in others. No matter.

You can certainly google, can't you? I did and learned a lot while reading. You should too.

Are you a member of JuI, H2O3C4Nitrogen? I'd be interested to know, if not, what political party in Pakistan receives your support. Would you tell me please?

Thanks.

 

[Uzair Zahir]

before 9/11 the mujahideen ..
Today the terrorist ..
Hypocriticism both by the mujhaideen and the politicains...
down with both of them ...
i want a secular Pakistan