Religious Hindus get together to donate for Muslim girl's treatment

[vsdoc]

Asim you have a basic flaw in your thinking and discourse on secularism that has been evident down the years.

And that is that you try to pigeon hole our secularism into definitions of somebody else's

We are a nation of 1.2 billion. Our secularism is a work in progress. But its obviously working. For us.

And that is what is important to us. That is all we really care about.

Do you think we give a fig about what you or any other chota mulk assume and presume what our secularism should conform to?

We are a secular state.

Of a highly religious people.

And the twain is going to meet. It already is.

P.S. This has got nothing to do with the current humanity vs secularism discussion. Just reacting to your definitions which I have seen for the millionth time.

 

[fd24]

Great gesture and good to see. Respect for the donators.

 

[Hack-Hook]

well I sincerely thanks the people who helped to gather the money for treating the small girl and pray that God make them prosperous .

 

[The SC]

The essence of the article seems fake, and it smells some propaganda as "his poor daughter" and other statement testify to.
A good gesture if it is true.
If a poor Indian gets hit on the road in any Muslim country without even being a national, you can be sure he will get a good treatment in a hospital and will be held till he recovers.

 

[notsuperstitious]

In a truly secular state, the headlines shouldnt have the words Hindu and Muslim in it

I'm sorry you are wrong. Secularism is in constitution, politics and policy making, it makes no demands on individuals and their religious incilnations or a newspaper reporting and highlighting a religious group's good deeds.

I do not like the headline because its more than vanilla reporting in my view, but it has nothing to do with failure or success of secularism, infact this has nothing whatever to do with secularism. Atleast Indians should be clear about it if we are ever to educate pakistanis many of whom keep linking all kinds of failures, from law and order to poverty to India's secularism.

The essence of the article seems fake, and it smells some propaganda as "his poor daughter" and other statement testify to.
A good gesture if it is true.
If a poor Indian gets hit on the road in any Muslim country without even being a national, you can be sure he will get a good treatment in a hospital and will be held till he recovers.

Unless he dies of course, then the blood money would be different for a hindu, and then he will be properly ''identified''.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/67618-prem-chand-we-ashamed.html

Religious supremacists can not be shown the truth because you have already seen the truth to the full capacity at age 3. Go for an overhaul.

 

[The SC]

I'm sorry you are wrong. Secularism is in constitution, politics and policy making, it makes no demands on individuals and their religious incilnations or a newspaper reporting and highlighting a religious group's good deeds.

I do not like the headline because its more than vanilla reporting in my view, but it has nothing to do with failure or success of secularism, infact this has nothing whatever to do with secularism. Atleast Indians should be clear about it if we are ever to educate pakistanis many of whom keep linking all kinds of failures, from law and order to poverty to India's secularism.



Unless he dies of course, then the blood money would be different for a hindu, and then he will be properly ''identified''.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/67618-prem-chand-we-ashamed.html

Religious supremacists can not be shown the truth because you have already seen the truth to the full capacity at age 3. Go for an overhaul.

What can I tell you more, your lack of knowledge and blinded mind about Islam makes you take an individual case that might be false propaganda by your services and tarnish the Islamic good will with it.
Good will is good will from Muslims in general, even Towards twisted minds on Muslim territories.
I can bring up thousands of Hindu hatred cases about Muslims, but there are enough threads dealing with that right now.

 

[ashokdeiva]

What can I tell you more, your lack of knowledge and blinded mind about Islam makes you take an individual case that might be false propaganda by your services and tarnish the Islamic good will with it.
Good will is good will from Muslims in general, even Towards twisted minds on Muslim territories.
I can bring up thousands of Hindu hatred cases about Muslims, but there are enough threads dealing with that right now.

ok dude, can we tell the same when you bring alligations on Hindus, that this is your propaganda about Hindus.
Atleast we have the dignity and courage to accept what ever ills happen because of our community at some instance failed to control religious biggots.

 

[The SC]

ok dude, can we tell the same when you bring alligations on Hindus, that this is your propaganda about Hindus.
Atleast we have the dignity and courage to accept what ever ills happen because of our community at some instance failed to control religious biggots.

You are talking about Pakistan while I was talking about Muslim countries and people's behaviour in general, so we do not have a common ground to talk here.
Read my last sentence of what you responded to, and stop short of trying to be too smart.
I said the truth.

 

[H1ndustaN1]

This article does prove that we can always go beyond the divides of race and religion if we choose to do so. We can either hate and kill each other like what we've always done in the past and destroy ourselves, or we can learn to live together in harmony and be there for each other in times like this.

 

[notsuperstitious]

You are talking about Pakistan while I was talking about Muslim countries and people's behaviour in general, so we do not have a common ground to talk here.
Read my last sentence of what you responded to, and stop short of trying to be too smart.
I said the truth.

You are deluded to be peddling how your religion is perfect for minorities supremacist spiel and then doubt the topic of the thread dealing with another religion. You are delusional to call everything else that does not suit your indoctrination as propaganda. You are the one trying to be too smart, otherwise you would take the more honorable route of opening another thread on how minorities are thriving in your role model ''islamic'' countries.

But you choose to take a dump here instead, how predictable for an indoctrinated bot and how pathetic your repeated but laughable claim of ''speaking the truth''.

You know the truth, but are too proud to admit it. Hence you are in Canada.

 

[Awesome]

Asim you have a basic flaw in your thinking and discourse on secularism that has been evident down the years.

And that is that you try to pigeon hole our secularism into definitions of somebody else's

We are a nation of 1.2 billion. Our secularism is a work in progress. But its obviously working. For us.

And that is what is important to us. That is all we really care about.

Do you think we give a fig about what you or any other chota mulk assume and presume what our secularism should conform to?

We are a secular state.

Of a highly religious people.

And the twain is going to meet. It already is.

P.S. This has got nothing to do with the current humanity vs secularism discussion. Just reacting to your definitions which I have seen for the millionth time.

I pointed out the problem with pseudo-secularism as well. Secularism, true separation of religion and state is vital and important. Two of my idols in this regard, Jinnah and Attaturk, are ideal personalities who have defined this well. Going against this has resulted in what is present day Pakistan's Mullah problem.

You think many Pakistan's Muslims are not generous towards Christians and Hindus? Like in India, minorities (Hindus and Christians) are famous celebrities, political leaders, artists, writers and heroes to the youth. What remains the issue is secularism whereby they are denied their fundamental human and national right to be equal citizens in their country. If I took up examples of Edhi foundations numerous generous initiatives and said "Wow we are secular" I would be a liar and a rotten one at that.

 

[ashokdeiva]

This article does prove that we can always go beyond the divides of race and religion if we choose to do so. We can either hate and kill each other like what we've always done in the past and destroy ourselves, or we can learn to live together in harmony and be there for each other in times like this.

we don't have to worry about divid any more, we have had our leasons and most of the hardliners are loosing ground or already out of business, today almost 99% of the INDIANs be it Hindu, Muslim or Chirstian or Sikh have no interest in one anothers faith in public or business and all the see in a man is how good it is to make business with that person. The matter of faith has been diluted to the level that its just kept in their prayer hall.
Indian Muslims have undertood the importance of co-existance like no other muslims in the world. and Indian Hindus have never shown supremecy over the minorities unless provoked.

The pledge that we take "ALL INDIANS ARE MY BROTHERS & SISTERS" has already become a reality.

 

[acetophenol]

Religious Hindus get together to donate for Muslim girl's treatment - The Times of India

SANGRUR: When a young man Nitesh disrupted a Hindu religious congregation at Lehragaga and appealed to the devotees to donate for the medical treatment of a poor Muslim girl, few were astonished. Nitesh and his aides in a little time were able to collect a sum of Rs 1.20 lakh as most of the participants had come prepared to donate for the girl.

Nitesh, Puneet Garg, Rajesh Kumar, Bunty and a few others had distributed pamphlets in the town, making an appeal to the residents to gather at Sanatan Dharam temple on Wednesday night for Jagran(prayer congregation) and donating for Muskan's treatment.

Three-year-old Muskan is battling for her life for more than a month at CMC hospital in Ludhiana. Daughter of blacksmith Mushtaq, Muskan met with an accident on April 3 on her very first day to a nearby school at Sangrur.

"We had very happily sent Muskan to school, on April 3, near my house on Uppli road. The school auto driver dropped her on the wrong side and a tempo hit her when Muskan tried to cross the road. She was badly hit by the speeding tempo. Her leg was fractured and she got severe injuries in her stomach and other body parts. I could not pay for her treatment but many individuals who rose above religious considerations are paying for my poor daughter," said Mustaq with moist eyes.

Nitesh said that when a few days ago he and his aides came to know about Muskan, they collected a small token of money from friends and handed it over to Muskan's father at CMC. "But seeing her serious condition and knowing that CMC doctors had estimated the cost of treatment at more than Rs 5 lakh, we decided to collect more money. Therefore, we organized a religious gathering at the temple and collected Rs 1.20 lakh," he said.

Till a few days ago, the chances of Muskan's survival were remote but thanks to a few philanthropists who paid for her initial treatment, Muskan is now out of danger. She went through plastic surgery on Wednesday.

A remarkable example of secular humanism, set by Lehragaga residents, has inspired many. More Hindus and Sikhs are coming forward to the rescue of the ailing girl. Sangrur based individuals have donated Rs 50,000. Sunam based philanthropists led by Jatinder Jain too have started collected money for Muskan. Jatinder said his group would soon hand over the collected donations to the CMC authorities.

^^^ TOILET MEDIA... IN REAL SENSE

For once in my lifetime,i feel love for ToI!
Bharat matha ki jai!

 

[Prometheus]

I dont like the title. But anyway, CMC ( Christian Medical College ) , Ludhiana is a very good institution and has a lot of dedicated self-sacrificing folks. My little sister studies there ( MBBS ).

its damm costly in cmc to get treatment

Its not secularism its more HUMANITY. Every religion commands it's followers to help the less fortunate.

Would you not donate to help a little child whose family can not provide for their medical treatment?

I have one question, does the Indian government not provide for some medical facilities for serious illnesses to children? A serious question.

for getting free or cheaper treatment you need to go to govt. hospitals................but considering her condition, i am sure she was refered to medical college...............and ludhiana is closer than Amritsar or chandigarh

 

[Vinod2070]

I pointed out the problem with pseudo-secularism as well. Secularism, true separation of religion and state is vital and important. Two of my idols in this regard, Jinnah and Attaturk, are ideal personalities who have defined this well. Going against this has resulted in what is present day Pakistan's Mullah problem.

You think many Pakistan's Muslims are not generous towards Christians and Hindus? Like in India, minorities (Hindus and Christians) are famous celebrities, political leaders, artists, writers and heroes to the youth. What remains the issue is secularism whereby they are denied their fundamental human and national right to be equal citizens in their country. If I took up examples of Edhi foundations numerous generous initiatives and said "Wow we are secular" I would be a liar and a rotten one at that.

Mr. Jinnah was at best confused about secularism. He certainly didn't leave behind a secular country.

Also, Pakistan can by no stretch of imagination be compared to India as far as secularism goes. It is one of the world's most intolerant countries for non Muslim minorities (and increasingly for many Islamic sects).

And the bigotry and discrimination is constitutional, legal and is part of the very fabric of the country.