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We know Pakistan is Islamic republic.But different Muslim countries have different degrees of religious freedom bestowed upon its minorities .So in this regard where does Pakistan stands??

How much freedom do minorities enjoy in Pakistan??
 
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If you are trying to defend Ahmadis then you are not in the right place.
Ahmadis are a different case than rest of the minorities.
 
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If you are trying to defend Ahmadis then you are not in the right place.
Ahmadis are a different case than rest of the minorities.

Oh, no i welcome ur opinion.I suppose its ur personal views.
 
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dumb *** doesn't respect other religion. thats why even muslim authorities banned him in India.
 
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Oh, no i welcome ur opinion.I suppose its ur personal views.

Infact we need to Understand the concept first which i can explain it to you no matter you agree with it or not.

According to Islamic system (Sharia) not agreeing with the lastness of Prophet Muhammad SAW is a crime as it is the 2nd most Important Part of an Islamic faith so who won't agree with that is no longer a Muslim in the first place.

Someone who claims to be a prophet Breaks the law thus he needs to be punished which is a death panalty.

Its like any other law as the person who would claim to be a prophet (false) would harm the society & mislead people's faith on a higher level.

Ahmadis follow Mirza Ghulam ahmad qadiyani who claimed to be a Prophet thus he mislead many , though he was not punished but his cult is banned in Pakistan and they are declared Kafirs according to our constitution where as they still like to call themselves Muslims which wont be allowed as it disguises them within an Islamic society.

I hope it helps.
 
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Is there any penalty for muslims who choose to adopt other religion and get converted ??

If yes,what is the punishment for it encoded in Pakistan's law??
 
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Imagine him being born in afamily of a Buddhist , christian or any other religion?? will he be saying the same words???


Hate to see people like this on the planet.
 
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Raghu..the punishment is death but it is not enforced heavily also it no one has balls to change their faith openly.
 
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Minorities have rights, they do well and are very important for Pakistan. But they lead a quite and satisfied life, they do not interfere overtly in stupid politics. Though they are very important for social fabric and have good representation in all sectors and fields.

You should come to Pakistan and see for yourself, other than going by nuts on these channels.
 
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Is there any penalty for muslims who choose to adopt other religion and get converted ??

If yes,what is the punishment for it encoded in Pakistan's law??

I am not aware of any panalty for this case in Pakistan's law but Talking through religious terms the person is considered a "Murtid" this word Murtid comes from Irtad which means to "Disaccord".

Such person would be considered a Non Muslim but would be allowed to Return back and renew the Faith if he/she wishes to.
 
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Minorities have rights, they do well and are very important for Pakistan. But they lead a quite and satisfied life, they do not interfere overtly in stupid politics. Though they are very important for social fabric and have good representation in all sectors and fields.

You should come to Pakistan and see for yourself, other than going by nuts on these channels.

Thanks mate for speaking out the truth.

Humanity is the global religion. Hope everyone understands that one day.
 
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Raghu i would like to clear one more point here.

In Pakistan , Hindus , Sikhs , Christians and other Minorities live in love and harmony.

Ahmadis are a different case as they were given a Minority status in 1973 constitution which they have not accepted thus they are Going against our constitution which is a criminal act as like any other law.

If you are thinking that we just "gave them" that status without any reason then you must learn that this process took 20 years of discussions between Muslims and Ahmadis which proved their falsehood thus they were Considered Non Muslims.

They are not allowed to Preach to any muslim openly because Ahmadis are not a Religion but a Cult which is purely aimed at harming Islam itself and it was planted by British who still support them that is why most of the ahmadis live in UK or Canada .

They have created a state of conflict by involving themselves in Anti pakistan Activities as they think that if Pakistan was no longer an Islamic Nation or lost if streanth it would be easy for them to do their Harmful work . These activities have now overshadowed their Religious pevertness.

Regards:
 
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I might as well post this answer to another question in another thread here too to make you understand the importance of Minorities in Pakistan.

About treating minorities in Pakistan :
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1. What is the status of Ahmedis ?

Though Ahmadies are classified as non muslims, they are a very influential minority in Pakistan, represented highly in civil and military sectors. They do not disclose their religion much because they do not consider themselves as different from other muslims.

Federal Baboos include 10 Jews

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Whether you believe it or not, the federal government civil servants include ten declared Jews.

Generally it is considered that Pakistan, which contains minorities following diverse religious beliefs, does not have Jew population but the 12th census of civil servants proves it, otherwise.

There is no assessment of exact population of Jews in Pakistan but the federal civil servants' census report confirmed that 10 of the total federal civil servants are declared Jews. Without showing their names, as it seems suitable to ensure their safety and security, the report says that the ten Jews include one officer in BPS 18; one in BPS 17; four in BPS 16; one in BPS 14 and three in BPS 13. There is, however, no Jew serving in senior grades of BPS 19 to 22.

According to the official data, an overwhelming majority (97.5 per cent) of the federal civil servants are Muslims. There are 508 (0.2 pc) Ahmadis, 422 (0.2pc) Hindus (caste and non-caste), 24 Buddhists, 3,819 (1.6pc) Christians, 10 Jews, 12 Parsis and 45 belonging to other different religions. Interestingly 0.5pc employees have not disclosed their religion.

The strength of Muslim employees in BPS 19 to 22 is 97.7pc; BS 17 to 18 is 97.9pc; BS 16 is 97.7pc; BS 11 to 15 is 98.3pc; BS 3 to 10 is 98.7pc and BS 1 to 2 is 95.1pc. The statistic shows that strength of Ahmadis, generally known as Qadianis, in BS 19 to 22 is 0.9pc; in BS 17 and 18 is 0.9pc; in BS 16 is 0.8pc; in BS 11 to 15 is 0.3pc; in BS 3 to 10 is 0.1pc and in BS 1 to 2 is 0.1pc.

The statistics about Qadiani employees shows that they mostly hold senior positions in the federal civilian bureaucracy. The percentage of Qadiani officials shrinks as one observes their number against lower tiers. However, it is expected that most of the 0.5pc of the federal civil servants, who did not disclose their religion, are also Qadianis.

The BPS-wise analysis shows that Hindus are nine BS 19 to 22 officers in the federal bureaucracy. They are in BS-17 to 18; nine in BS-16; 39 in BS-11 to 15; 85 in BS-3 to 10 and 254 in BS-1 to 2.

The analysis about Buddhist employees reveals that out of the total 24 civil servants belonging to this religion, one is serving against BS-19; one in BS-18; one in BS-14; one in BS-9; four in BS-7; one in BS-6; four in BS 5; two in BS-2 and nine in BS-1.

Scrutiny of the Christian employees indicates that an overwhelming majority of them ie 2,784 out of the total 3,819 are in BS-1 and BS-2. In other scales they are: 613 in BS-3 to 10; 307 in BS-11 to 15; 77 in BS-16; 32 in BS-17 to 18; four in BS-19; and one each in BS-20 and BS-21. The study of federal civil servants also shows that a total of 12 civil servants belong to Parsi religion. These include one in BS-18; one in BS-17; three in BS-16; one in BS-11; one in BS-7 and five in BS-1.

About the prospects of upward mobility of the civil servants belonging to minorities, a senior official of the establishment division said the government employees have equal opportunities of promotion as enjoyed by their Muslims colleagues. The establishment division is of the view that any discrimination on the basis of religion or caste etc is unconstitutional. It is said that quite a large number of officers belonging to minorities have made it to the top echelons of the civilian bureaucracy and are given important assignments.

2. How does pakistan treat Shia ?

President is Shia, enough said.

3. What was the % population of the minorities (Christian, Jew, Hindu, etc) during 1947 and now ?

We use the first census carried out in 1950/1 to determine the decrease or increase of minorities in WEST PAKISTAN alone, Indian media uses 1947 indicators to distort the truth to show a Pakistan where minorities are decreasing which is incorrect. Lets leave Bangladesh out and concentrate on the statistics of west Pakistan. I will use hindus as an example who have increased over time.

Now lets answer your question, 1947 stats cannot be used becuase of mass migration of hindus towars india. Lets use 1950 for a better comparison shall we as it was when the migration and internal deisplacemt was over. There were 39,448,232 people in Pakistan and a total of 6.54 milllion hindus, of which 5.4 million left for India.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/akhwaja/papers/The%20Big%20March%20December%202005.pdf

Now Pakistan was left with 1.1 million from whom half were unfortunately killed from Muslims who heard of killing in India of other Muslims.

So by that account 500,000 hindus were left and today they are higher than 4 million, percentage does not matter becuase muslim population boomed and there were alot of immigrants who entered Pakistan.

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Islamic Revelution Against Terrorism: Did Hindu Population Decrease to 3% in Pakistan?

Similarly we have many hindus who serve in our civil service and have reached great heights. Today there are 4 million hindus in Pakistan, increases from half a million.

Pak Hindu MPs stage walkout over terror slur - Pakistan - World - The Times of India

4. What has been the % increase trends in churches, synagog and temples in Pakistan from 1947 till present ?

All temples, churches, gurdwara are well preserved and are opened by government for minorities if they do not have them in a certain place, the government on the request of an old Jewish lady opened a new synagogue in Pakistan in 2005, a jewish pakistani posted pics.

Look in the second page.

Jewish heritage outside Israel - Page 4 - SkyscraperCity

5. What does blasphemy mean to minorities ?

Blasphemy means BS, its for show only in most places.

4. What % of minorities are in high position and visible position or are admired ?

Read my answer to second question and come to Karachi and you will see the highest flag in Clifton, Karachi is of the hindu temple. Many hindus, christians and qadiyanis are in very respectable and notable positions. Deepal Perwani, Rana Bhagwandas, Danish Kaneria, Fernando Lobos, just read about the catholic board of school of Pakistan. Many respected people in pakistani of minorities.

These questions will provide clue to how tolerant and equanimous is Pakistan

Dont listen to the extremists here or anywhere else, the military and ISI is knocking them off the list one by one. ;)
 
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