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Regarding Gwadar Port?

The people like you have no analytic skills at all. Who think if China has pipeline then they will still use Shipments.through longer and riskier route. I posted proofs from where they are importing mmost oil, I posted proofs about pipeline plans for whole china. Yet you are beating the drum of pathetic excuse no they are throwing 46 billion $ for nothing. Building roads, rails, pipelines, towns for just fun. No i can't even laugh on your education. It's disgusting

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Even 10% of china trade passes through Pakistan it will help Pakistan alot in growing
Stupidity has no limit, I say it again even if China somehow build a gas or oil pipeline from across one of the highest mountain range( forget cost involve pumping oil & gas across karakoram with average height of road running at 4 km above sea level lol) it will only be used as backup, your economic corridor is nothing but a backup in case someone block malcca straight

Abay dhakan, Oil and gas don't need trucks to travel in pipeline. When Indian can dream of laying pipeline in sea than why can't China lay pipeline from Gawadar to upwards?
Look I already get a warning buy mod for using foul language so I won't say anything, plz build a pipeline across one of the highest mountain range going in one of the least industrial parts of China which already produce huge amount of oil & gas itself & also buy & transport it from central asia to rest of China , & not to forget Xinjiang is 2.1 times bigger than Pakistan & contain one of the biggest shale gas basin on planet, delusional pakistani bound no limits :lol:
 
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Stupidity has no limit, I say it again even if China somehow build a gas or oil pipeline from across one of the highest mountain range( forget cost involve pumping oil & gas across karakoram with average height of road running at 4 km above sea level lol) it will only be used as backup, your economic corridor is nothing but a backup in case someone block malcca straight

Seriously, if they are already building road on same 4 KM height, what problem they will have in laying the pipeline on the side? And if they build the Pipeline, why would they still use Ships from riskier and longer route?

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Do learn more about "Choke Points".
 
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Seriously, if they are already building road on same 4 KM height, what problem they will have in laying the pipeline on the side? And if they build the Pipeline, why would they still use Ships from riskier and longer route?

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Do learn more about "Choke Points".
I am happy for your country plz build pipeline as fast as possible :tup:
 
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Soon, Pakistan will be fueling more and more to PN needs specially the submarines. For guarding the seas from Badin to Jiwani. So don't worry at all. :pakistan:

Iran is not much against Pakistan. Its the GCC which is against the Gwadar, Pakistan. Its good to see that Pakistan is now refused to become a servant of Middle East and becoming a sovereign state.
 
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I had written this post and received 20+ thanks and positive ratings but after the forum was restored from old backup that post is gone now. I had written the post on Office and copy pasted the content before editing it further on PDF. So I would just copy paste again of whatever raw content I had saved in the laptop
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Pakistan China Economic Corridor

Chinese Version:

China has an economy of over $10 trillion dollars, reserves of over 3 trillion dollars and the world’s largest exporter of goods worth 2300 billion dollars and the combined International trade volume of 4200 billion dollars.

China has ambitious plans to create Silk Road Economic Belt (SREB) and Maritime Silk Road (MSR) connecting Middle East, Africa and Europe through rail, road and pipelines. Chinese companies has already spent hundreds of billions of dollars in Africa, Latin America, Middle East and European market and are highly successful in doing business with under-developed nations. China is the largest investor in South Asia and plans to expand its influence by pledging 100 billion dollars of investment in India, 46 billion dollars in Pakistan and 20 billion dollars in Bangladesh as a mean of foreign direct investment or soft loans.

Strait of Malacca

It is considered the most important trade route in the world with 25% of the world’s total traded goods passing through the Strait of Malacca in over 100,000 vessels. Approximately 35% of the world’s oil is carried to China, Japan, Korea and East Asia as well as 60% of Chinese oil imports from Gulf region passes through the Strait of Malacca. It takes about 12,000 kilometres or 45 days to reach Western China (unverified sources) as compared to 3000 kilometres of journey with 75% reduced time scale and massive savings in transportation cost if re-routed through the Pakistan-China economic corridor. The narrowest part of Strait of Malacca stretches to only 2.8 kilometres and China has strong reservations about the possible blockade by US naval forces in the event of war.

Benefits for China

As per the survey reports during the development of Gwadar port, it is estimated China will save approximately 20 billion dollars per year in transportation cost and provide direct port access to the underdeveloped Western China.

China wants to develop Western China comparatively to Eastern China and Gwadar port can play a significant role in the development of Western China.

There is also no denial to the fact that China will link the Pakistan-China Economic Corridor route to major cities in China and the same route can be linked further with Japan, Korea and Mongolia. I also foresee this future-silk route being linked to Central Asian Republics, India and Afghanistan as soon as the key infrastructure in Pakistan and China is ready and operational.

China also foresee that its current trade volume of $4.2 trillion dollars would have grown between $10 to $15 trillion dollars by the time this investment has been fully made until 2030 and the strait of Malacca is already congested and cannot fulfil the requirements of East Asia. China needs alternative routes to continue the pace of growth and the Pakistan-China Economic Corridor is the most significant, safe, efficient and cost effective route available for China.

By the time the Pakistan China Economic Corridor has been built and the vessels starts to dock at Gwadar port, the economy of Pakistan, China, South Asia and Central Asia would have increased by manifold and it is highly likely that China will save a lot more than estimated as the factors of two-way route and multiple nations connecting to the same route will come in.

Energy Projects

The reason China is keen to invest in energy projects is,
  • China wants to do business in Pakistan (burn coal, generate electricity for 6 cents, sell it for 8 cents per unit)
  • She wants to see stable Pakistan
  • She wants to strengthen relationship with Pakistan in order to protect her future interest
  • Economically strong Pakistan is in the interest of China
  • China also need electricity to fulfil their own projects in Pakistan
  • China wants to increase influence in Pakistan
The untold investment

China has invested billions of dollars in Pakistan since last 10 years and plans to invest more in separate projects not part of the MoU’s signed during the President XI’s visit in Pakistan. China will also invest further in order to protect its interest in Pakistan and this deal of 46 billion dollars is also not going to be the last deal made by China for the next 15 years. It is likely by the passage of time, several new projects will be lucrative enough for China to invest more.

It is also a good news that Pakistan will finally see significant investment coming in Pakistan after long time and will boost confidence for foreign investors to invest in various sectors of Pakistan.

The bitter truth

We have a history of signing MoU’s and China making commitments to Pakistan. It is estimated that roughly 65 billion dollars of projects were signed during 2001 and 2014 but less than 10% of the projects were ever materialised.

During the visit of Premier Wen Jiabao in 2010, China pledged to invest 30 billion dollars in Pakistan but no significant work was done after that. It was mostly reported due to our negligence, incompetence and corruption that the Chinese companies backed off from their commitment but it is a bitter truth that same can be repeated once again.

Pakistan Version:

Pakistan will be the most beneficiary of Pakistan-China Economic Corridor in short and medium term. China will most likely be gaining a lot more in long term but it is always going to be a win-win situation for both nations and will enhance the bilateral relationship between both countries.

Pakistan will be able to generate millions of jobs in all 4 provinces and 4 territories across the country and especially in under developed Balochistan. Gwadar will be transformed to become a mega-city thanks to the hard work and/or need of the hour. With the energy requirements fulfilled and availability of cheap electricity, Pakistan will be able to grow at faster pace, increased exports, providing relief to industries by offering cheaper electricity tariff and fulfilling non-stop energy requirement.

The planned route will link most of the major cities in Pakistan and will most likely create many new cities across the route. It might be the game changer for Pakistan if we can manage it properly. The biggest relief for Pakistan will be increased revenue in taxes, lower unemployment rate, earning billions of dollars from trade route, blessed infrastructure from China and the shadow of China being a good sign for security for short term goal. Hundreds of industrial parks will be created alongside the route to enrich the maximum benefit out of it.

Gwadar port

Not only will the Gwadar port link China with less than 3000 kilometres in distance, it will offload the burden from heavily congested Karachi ports. It will also create an environment of competition and help curtail corruption. Pakistan will be able to take the maximum benefit of this route by connecting every major city through the corridor and the planned Motorways across Pakistan. It is estimated that Pakistan will save at least 5 billion dollars from Gwadar port per year if the Chinese vessels were re-routed to Gwadar from the Strait of Malacca and this figure is only bound to increase in future.

I also foresee that we will be enhancing Karachi port and developing a new port soon at Ormara or Pasni to share the burden of existing ports.

Did Pakistan allure China or is it a Chinese project?

I believe it’s purely a Chinese project serving their own interest and future needs. The good thing for Pakistan is, Pakistan enjoy good relationship with China and it happens to be geographically located at such a place where it fits the purpose of China. The credit must go the serving Government regardless but it is technically a Chinese project, serving Chinese interest and future ambitions.

Repercussion of rising Chinese influence in Pakistan

I have always been stern opponent of completely handing over the control of our state assets to foreign nations. We have historically abide by the commandments conferred to us by the so-called Superpowers. With China soon reaching the stature of Super-Power it will be really hard for us to ask them to evacuate the ports if God forbid such a need arises after few years. I have always been a supporter of having complete control over state assets like Iran and we must learn to manage our internal affairs by ourselves. Pakistan has historically been fouled by the super powers and only served the purpose of puppets in the great game of chess and I will not be surprised if same is repeated again after few years.

We must learn the policy of being neutral at International arena and that’s what India is good at. In worst scenario we could handover the transfer of port to China at shared basis with the Government of Pakistan being the major stake holder and for a limited period only (non-negotiable). I am not doubting the good intentions of China but if we take too many favours from anybody, it will be hard for us to say No in the event of conflict.

Pakistan should not try to become the 24th province of China. It must act independently and make independent policies.
@Aether, I want to give you a positive rating for your excellent post, but unfortunately I belong to the tribe of lesser souls who have not been mandated with such powers!!! :sad:

Ok, the point is that you have painted a pretty rosy picture for the future of Pakistan. I do hope it works out, but there could be the proverbial slip between the cup and the lip. Have you calculated the cost per ton for using the Kashgar - Gwadar highway? If Pakistan wants to use it for export it would be unviable, because.....

The cost per ton works out to approx $430. Therefore, a normal 10-ton truck transporting Pakistani goods to Kashgar - Shanghai would cost a mind boggling $4300 or Rs 4,30,000 PKR!! That means the cost of transportation would be more than the cost of goods being transported!

Then, Chinese companies in Pakistan procuring captive coal from China (which is phasing out its coal industry due to pollution etc by 2020-22), will charge not just 8 cents but closer to 12 cents - which is exorbitant - due to transportation costs. This will bite the consumer hard! And they being Chinese companies, you will be stuck between a rock and a hard place, not knowing what to do.

There's more, but that for later.
 
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Western China lol , dou know the size of western china, your corridor won't have any impact on western China

Courtesy to anonymous

Your corridor is not airdropping in Western Qinghai so that it would have same effect on all of Western China; it is joining China in North-West corner of China ie Western corner of XinXiang (no 10). The only provinces that it could affect are no 10 (XinXiang) and its neighbours no9 (Tibet) ,no 8 (Qinghai) , no 7 (Gansu) in Western China, and no 4 (Inner Mongolia) in Northern China.

I have already counted all these provinces.And I am being generous here. XinXiang itself is so large that your corridor has no chance of affecting even its neighbours.

I think this problem that is shown by many poster in this thread arise from the fact they could not fathom that some provinces (mostly in Western China) are many times larger than even Pakistan itself. XinXiang is 2.1 times larger than Pakistan, Tibet is 1.54 times larger, Inner Mongolia 1.48 times larger, Qinghai equal to Pakistan, and Gansu half of Pakistan. You people seriously think that your highway would be used by people two province separated from Kashghar!!!!

Probably you does not understand that Eastern part of Western China is further away from Pakistan that even Europe!

For example capital of Shaanxi (Taiyuan) is as far away from Islamabad by air (3559 Km) as Ankara (3600 Km)

I am yet to understand this optimism of serving Eastern part of Western China.

let's do some analysis. I am calculating Islamabad so that you could get a grasp over distance as Ankara is 4400 Km away from Islamabad by road. and All distance henceforth are by road.


No 3 (Shaanxi), Capital (Taiyuan).

Distance of capital from Islamabad = 4904.3 Km

Distance of capital from nearest Chinese seaport (Tianjin)=943 Km

Distance of capital from Gwadar = 6644 Km


No 6 (Ningxia), Capital (Yinchuan)

Distance of capital from Islamabad = 4337 Km

Distance of capital from nearest Chinese seaport (Tianjin)= 1200 Km

Distance of capital from Gwadar = 6077 Km

No 1 (Chongquing) , No capital

Distance of Chongquibg from Islamabad = 5069 Km

Distance of Chongquing from nearest Chinese seaport = 0 Km. After construction of Three Gorges Dam, barring largest cargo Ship, Ocean going ships could sail upto Chongquing.

But still distance between Chongquing and Shanghai is 1689 Km

Distance of Chongquing from Gwadar = 6843 Km

no 4 (Guzihou) , capital (gulyang)

Distance of capital from Islamabad = 5459 Km

Distance of capital from nearest Chinese seaport (Beihai) = 796 Km

Distance of capital from Gwadar = 7199 Km

No 5 (Yunnan) , capital (Kuming)


Distance of capital from Islamabad = 5859 Km

Distance of capital from nearest Chinese seaport (Beihai) = 1024 Km

Distance of capital from Gwadar = 7635 Km


No 2 (Sichuan) , capital (Chengdu)


Distance of capital from Islamabad = 4976 Km

Distance of capital from nearest Chinese seaport (Chongquing) = 326 Km and (Shanghai) = 1968 Km

Distance of capital from Gwadar = 6716 Km


All these Western provinces that you dream Gwadar would serve are farther away from Gwadar than Western Europe is from Pakistan by Road. Distance between Islamabad and Berlin by road is 6353 Km , and of Paris is 7300 Km; nearly of the order of distance of Gwadar from any of Eastern provinces of Western China.

Man, these Chinese have no economic sense. They did not even calculate costs and committed $46 billion to a project. Even an Internet expert knows and can prove it. With such fools making economic decisions of China, they must be the worst economy of the world! *sigh*
 
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Irony, a illiterate like you who is giving me reference of Sea to Sea cost to prove land cost higher
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Irony, a illiterate like you who can't read the basics which i posted for transportation telling me to redo the college.

The guy who didn't read about the whole agreement and speaking on the forum it's expensive. It's done deal


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And, right now China Imports oil/Gas from ME not from Central Asia.
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You have to look into complete picture before even speaking about possibilities. Here below is complete picture for dummies..

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I know you will still failed to understand, because of lacking of basic literacy, yet i wanted everyone to know whats going on, just in case if someone has any doubts on the project.



Dont have time to feed you guys for every point. Internet is full of such articles.

http://fride.org/download/PB_173_China_economic_engagement_in_MENA.pdf
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~hfoad/ChinaAfrica_v2.pdf
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Another Market which India can loss is Human Resource, Especially Malwaris
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OMG these Indians thought they were real clever and you bitch slapped them :lol:
 
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Can anyone please inform that how much profit is expected to be gained by Pakistan through gwadar port(estimation)?How will it help in short and long term period? And will other countries other than china also benefit through this project? Thankyou
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Why are you asking? Who are you asking for?
 
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Just for my own information. Nothing special.I was just curious. Wanted to know the real deal rather than believing in the media and social hype.
BTW, can you reply for the post#8?
 
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Most likely yes

But that is not part of the CPEC
ok thanks.

I don't like the idea that qwadar port, owned by Pakistan is developed by chineese, will be controlled by chineese for atleast 40 years, protected by chineese. Does anyone else feel something is wrong?
 
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Irony, a illiterate like you who is giving me reference of Sea to Sea cost to prove land cost higher
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Irony, a illiterate like you who can't read the basics which i posted for transportation telling me to redo the college.

The guy who didn't read about the whole agreement and speaking on the forum it's expensive. It's done deal


View attachment 222512
And, right now China Imports oil/Gas from ME not from Central Asia.
crude_oil_imports_source.png

lng_import_sources.png

You have to look into complete picture before even speaking about possibilities. Here below is complete picture for dummies..

china_oil_import_pipelines.jpg


I know you will still failed to understand, because of lacking of basic literacy, yet i wanted everyone to know whats going on, just in case if someone has any doubts on the project.



Dont have time to feed you guys for every point. Internet is full of such articles.

http://fride.org/download/PB_173_China_economic_engagement_in_MENA.pdf
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~hfoad/ChinaAfrica_v2.pdf
smartphone-shipment-in-mainland-china-q3.png





Another Market which India can loss is Human Resource, Especially Malwaris
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A very good reply.
More and more Indians posing to be 'experts' on the CPEC issue need to be busted.
 
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Can anyone please inform that how much profit is expected to be gained by Pakistan through gwadar port(estimation)?How will it help in short and long term period? And will other countries other than china also benefit through this project? Thankyou
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Pakistan will only get the lease amount that it has quoted in lease contract for 40 years signed with China. All the profits will go to China. Welcome to reality.
 
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