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Refugee women in AJK protest against Indian forces

do you also hold the instrument of accession on hyderabad deccan because the nizams chose independent state?


First, neither the Nizam nor any other prince had the right to independence; the India Independence Act merely stipulated that the suzerainty of the British Crown would cease with the granting of Dominion status to the two Dominions, and the consequent withdrawal of the Viceroy, and his replacement with Governors General for the Dominions, either the same person (which Mountbatten wanted) or different ones (as happened, Jinnah in Pakistan, Mountbatten in India for some more time).

Second, Mountbatten, before leaving for India, was told by both the King-Emperor, his relation by marriage (Mountbatten's sister's son had married the King's daughter, the Princess Elizabeth), and by Attlee that Britain WOULD NOT recognise any Indian state seeking independence. This was never an option, notwithstanding whatever dreams Hari Singh, the Nizam or C. P. Ramaswamy Aiyar might have had.

Third, Mountbatten had warned all the princes that the principle of contiguity would apply; the State could not join a Dominion unless it was accessible. That ruled out Hyderabad or any of the southern states joining Pakistan.

Fourth, under Qasim Rizvi, the extremists had organised themselves and were promoting Russian style pogroms of the Hindus. Rizvi thundered that the troops of the Nizam would wash the feet of their horses in the waters of the ocean; he had completely lost his common sense, and went to the extent of attacking Hindu villages just across the border between the Hyderabad state and the neighbouring parts of British India, that formed part of the wideflung Madras Presidency.

It was in these circumstances that India sent in troops, removed the Nizam from any exercise of power and took over the state.

if it wasn an internal issue and the problem was AJK then why didn't you wrote such agreement after all you were the winners of war. but current agreement talks about whole kashmir.

The accession document was done only with the knowledge of the Maharaja alone that his state had started to disintegrate; the Indian side was kept in the dark. It was done expeditiously on the 26th, at which time nobody knew what was under control of whom.

Gilgit, and the mutiny of the Gilgit Scouts actually had taken place after the accession.
 
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There is no problem in Hyderabad, they have no will to join Pakistan. But Balochistan wants to get separate. And you don't hold any intrument of accesion.
hyderabad wanted to be a free state.
about balochistan a shahi jirga took place which not only acceded their province to pakistan but also helped jinnah to settle refugees.
no one in balochistan wants independence but you want it only when pakistan talks about kashmir.
the total number of baloch in pakistan is 7 million. 40 % of them lives in sindh, 10% in punjab. they haven't talked about independence in their life time. the rest 50% consists of 150+ tribes. few people from only 3 tribes of bugti, marri and mengal wanted to fight for independence. this is not even 0.1%. they were some 2500 people. 2000 of them surrendered and were given immunity from crimes they already had commited leaving less than 500 militants. sir with due respect this is not what can be called an independence movement.

should i start to count yours real independence and insurgency movements in india you will start to feel ashamed on giving the impression that balochis wants independence.

kashmir:
80 percent are against indian occupation. 52 days of curfew and situation still hasn't changed. only state in the world where security forces are given special powers to kill any one. more than 100k people had died so far with many forcefully disapeared by indian army.

assam:
the people of assam wants independence from indian rule. more than 10,000 people have died since last 2 decades only.

nagaland:
the majority of Nagas, operating under the various factions of national socialist council of nagaland, continue to demand a separate country.

tripura:
people of tripura wants independence from india.

khalistan:
people of indian punjab mostly sikhs don't want to live with india.

these are just few independence movements. the list of insurgent groups like moaista is too long to mention. so you should worry about your own country real freedom movements instead of producing imagination based freedom movements in balochistan.
 
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hyderabad wanted to be a free state.
about balochistan a shahi jirga took place which not only acceded their province to pakistan but also helped jinnah to settle refugees.
no one in balochistan wants independence but you want it only when pakistan talks about kashmir.
the total number of baloch in pakistan is 7 million. 40 % of them lives in sindh, 10% in punjab. they haven't talked about independence in their life time. the rest 50% consists of 150+ tribes. few people from only 3 tribes of bugti, marri and mengal wanted to fight for independence. this is not even 0.1%. they were some 2500 people. 2000 of them surrendered and were given immunity from crimes they already had commited leaving less than 500 militants. sir with due respect this is not what can be called an independence movement.

should i start to count yours real independence and insurgency movements in india you will start to feel ashamed on giving the impression that balochis wants independence.

kashmir:
80 percent are against indian occupation. 52 days of curfew and situation still hasn't changed. only state in the world where security forces are given special powers to kill any one. more than 100k people had died so far with many forcefully disapeared by indian army.

assam:
the people of assam wants independence from indian rule. more than 10,000 people have died since last 2 decades only.

nagaland:
the majority of Nagas, operating under the various factions of national socialist council of nagaland, continue to demand a separate country.

tripura:
people of tripura wants independence from india.

khalistan:
people of indian punjab mostly sikhs don't want to live with india.

these are just few independence movements. the list of insurgent groups like moaista is too long to mention. so you should worry about your own country real freedom movements instead of producing imagination based freedom movements in balochistan.
Kashmir has 68% (Sunni and Shia) muslim population how the hell 80% are against India. Another idiotic musings.
Just come to Punjab and say the same thing you will come to know what is their choice. North east is another case of brotherly love from China, which is being settled.
 
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Seriously India should do a China, like it done in its Muslim region. Just relocated normal Chinese there.

India should do the same in Kashmir.
 
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Kashmir has 68% (Sunni and Shia) muslim population how the hell 80% are against India. Another idiotic musings.
Just come to Punjab and say the same thing you will come to know what is their choice. North east is another case of brotherly love from China, which is being settled.
you mean the hindu pundits they are back. good for you but even 68 percent is majority.
secondly why don't you people come and see the choice of balochis.
 
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India is not keeping its words.. they dont wanna solve Kashmir instead of killing innocent kashmiries and bringing hindu settlers to Indian occupied Kashmir.
Pakistan sud raise this issue to UN and other parts of world. to show indian face to world that how brutely indian army killing innocent Kashmiries.
There is always a chance of war between two countries till they we solve this issue .. if world can afford necular war then sure let fuel it with more indian agression and hate towards Kashmiri muslims.
Stone pelters are paid Rs 500 each in the Valley. How much were these protesters in P0K paid for a media photo shoot?

Solve the K problem? Then why don't you start by adhering to the Security Council Resolutions of 1948 by which Pakistan has to withdraw all its forces from Kashmir before a plebiscite is held?

What Hindu settlers do you mean? Ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Hindu Kashmiri Pandits was an event that occurred on 19 January 1990 when they were forced to flee from the Kashmir valley due to outbreak of terrorism sponsored from across.

And needless to say, the world knows who is responsible for the stone pelting in Kashmir. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you still don't know, ask your venerated 'strategic assets' Hafiz Saeed, Masoor Azhar and Co who have been designated by the UN as terrorists but who are ruling the streets of Pakistan and helping your Establishment to wage a proxy war against India.

And lastly don't try and blackmail us with a nuclear war. Are you aware what will be left of Pakistan if there is one?
 
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Bugti and Mengal have joined the fight against BLA - not sure about marri.



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bugti, mengal and marri are not anti pakistan but only few of them. actually the fact behind baloch insurgency rise was that they were so much oppressed by the sardars that they knew nothing about the world. they never even heard the name of their country pakistan or the most unfortunate they were not allowed to take religious education too but after the army went there every thing had changed. now people are going to schools. they curse their sardars now on keeping them in darkness.

Stone pelters are paid Rs 500 each in the Valley. How much were these protesters in P0K paid for a media photo shoot?

Solve the K problem? Then why don't you start by adhering to the Security Council Resolutions of 1948 by which Pakistan has to withdraw all its forces from Kashmir before a plebiscite is held?

What Hindu settlers do you mean? Ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Hindu Kashmiri Pandits was an event that occurred on 19 January 1990 when they were forced to flee from the Kashmir valley due to outbreak of terrorism sponsored from across.

And needless to say, the world knows who is responsible for the stone pelting in Kashmir. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you still don't know, ask your venerated 'strategic assets' Hafiz Saeed, Masoor Azhar and Co who have been designated by the UN as terrorists but who are ruling the streets of Pakistan and helping your Establishment to wage a proxy war against India.

And lastly don't try and blackmail us with a nuclear war. Are you aware what will be left of Pakistan if there is one?
200k people went to wanis prayers when the valley was under strick curfew. were they also paid?
more than 100k kashmiris have been killed by indians in 90s and the mass disappearances were even more. still you expected the kashmiris of no retaliations. the pundits were forced to flee as a retaliation for killing so many kashmiris. it wasn't pakistan who did that but your forces.
wasn't narendar modi a known terrorist too? he had been not allowed to enter US and many other countries for doing terrorism while on the other hand your government had failed to give pakistan credible proofs against hafiz saeed and thats the reason he was proved innocent in court.
 
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I point this out merely for your information, and in a neutral spirit.

  • The UN Resolutions may not be invoked by either party to the Shimla Pact
  • The UN may invoke it
  • UNMOGIP has to be withdrawn by mutual consent of the parties to the Pact
  • This was not put in, and remains a loose end

sir indeed it is a netural prespective couldnt agree more.
UN resolutions are still there it will utterly naive to say that these resolution have no significance after signing of Simla pact
two thumbs up for the reply from my side :tup::tup:
but its better to have a neutral observer in case of Pakistan and India
both need a mediator as Pakistan and India have failed to overcome the issues and situation has escalated to a more worse state
talking about simla agreement now is more like whipping a dead horse
we need something more concrete which at least compels both parties to talk on the issues
 
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Stone pelters are paid Rs 500 each in the Valley. How much were these protesters in P0K paid for a media photo shoot?

Solve the K problem? Then why don't you start by adhering to the Security Council Resolutions of 1948 by which Pakistan has to withdraw all its forces from Kashmir before a plebiscite is held?

What Hindu settlers do you mean? Ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Hindu Kashmiri Pandits was an event that occurred on 19 January 1990 when they were forced to flee from the Kashmir valley due to outbreak of terrorism sponsored from across.

And needless to say, the world knows who is responsible for the stone pelting in Kashmir. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you still don't know, ask your venerated 'strategic assets' Hafiz Saeed, Masoor Azhar and Co who have been designated by the UN as terrorists but who are ruling the streets of Pakistan and helping your Establishment to wage a proxy war against India.

And lastly don't try and blackmail us with a nuclear war. Are you aware what will be left of Pakistan if there is one?
Oh forget the person is nominate terrorist by UN ...once ur very beloved PM modi was on that list...
If himdu were true kashmiries they would have never flew like coward..watch how kashimiries are deying...and stop crying that they have been paid 500 rupees this is where ur third class media feeds u with full lie. I pay 1000 rupees or dollars to ur kids to go and hit one stone to any amry person.
U guys are in denying that is indiginious movement of Kashmir.. keep living in delution
 
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you mean the hindu pundits they are back. good for you but even 68 percent is majority.
secondly why don't you people come and see the choice of balochis.

Not to forget that out of 68% of Muslims 14% are Shia's 1-2% are Ahmadiyya and even if India conducts referendum now out of those balance 52-53% Muslims maximum 70% may vote for Independence but still it will not sufficient to cross the halfway mark to get separate from India.
 
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