reforms for the united nations organization

[jamahir]

We cant rectify nor should expect much from UN. Its firmly in the grasp of western countries and we cant dismantle their veto power as well. So what we need to do is to make its counter part in order to balance the equation and to neutralize it.

the best reply so far.

exactly... if uno cannot be reformed, form a separate organization that truly represents humanity... it will be therefore a political organization from the start, not a drama like the uno.

a good amount of the eastern/southern bloc inter-nation work already happens without the uno... for example, cuba sent a ebola-relief team to west africa some months ago... cuba has one of the best medical system and personnel, and they went under the cuba flag... also, there is lot of relief material that russia sends to syria in airplanes, materials like medicine and tents.

there is also the "world social forum" which happens generally in south america... it was started to stand against the "world economic forum" which is of course the capitalists' salivating platform.

here is hugo chavez at the wsf - 2005... ( Venezuela’s Chavez Closes World Social Forum with Call to Transcend Capitalism | venezuelanalysis.com )...

there are already common banking, common currency and new internet projects proposed in the east and south... there is the sco security grouping... all is there, only some more political will is needed.

@levina @Bamxa ^^^

 

[Syrian Lion]

The UNSC and UN is not credible at all, it has to be resolved with new system but that wouldn't work now.. even UN General Assembly votes are bought or forced.. some countries can't vote freely because they fear superpower mainly western countries might go against them if they go against their wish... so the UNGA and UNSC are nothing but a joke... the UN will not be dissolved... instead there should be an alliance or group against NATO, NATO/ Western countries aggression need to be stopped... what needs to be done is at least a military alliance to counter nato, Russia, China, Brazil, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Venezuela, Cuba, NK, and other nations that are being destroyed by the west sanctions and wars.. if there is no NATO counter force, there is no peace, there is no justice...

 

[jamahir]

The UNSC and UN is not credible at all, it has to be resolved with new system but that wouldn't work now.. even UN General Assembly votes are bought or forced.. some countries can't vote freely because they fear superpower mainly western countries might go against them if they go against their wish...

agreed.

so the UNGA and UNSC are nothing but a joke... the UN will not be dissolved... instead there should be an alliance or group against NATO, NATO/ Western countries aggression need to be stopped... what needs to be done is at least a military alliance to counter nato, Russia, China, Brazil, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Venezuela, Cuba, NK, and other nations that are being destroyed by the west sanctions and wars.. if there is no NATO counter force, there is no peace, there is no justice...

true, there should be a security force to stop current destruction and prevent more in immediate future, and who would know it better than you, a syrian...

though security is one part of it, yes?? other part is non-military cooperations, like in health, education, culture, space, maybe technologies etc

for these nations you mention... "Russia, China, Brazil, India, Pakistan, South Africa, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Venezuela, Cuba, NK, and other nations that are being destroyed by the west sanctions and wars.."...

1. there is the sco security grouping... don't you think there is urgent need for a counterpart to nato through enlargement and large-scale arming??

2. some of those nations are presently under regimes which are pro western bloc.

but i really like what @Pakistani shaheens said about a new organization... sco can be melted into that organization as its security arm... i don't understand why you said a new org won't work.

 

[Dr Gupta]

but some members clearly want western bloc led world, and they are not even westerners.

clearly a case of "more loyal to the king than the king himself".

South Asians must follow their White Master because it is our destiny/kismet look the British left us but we followed them to their lands in Amerika, England, Australia etc.

 

[jamahir]

South Asians must follow their White Master because it is our destiny/kismet look the British left us but we followed them to their lands in Amerika, England, Australia etc.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

the best reply so far.

exactly... if uno cannot be reformed, form a separate organization that truly represents humanity... it will be therefore a political organization from the start, not a drama like the uno.

a good amount of the eastern/southern bloc inter-nation work already happens without the uno... for example, cuba sent a ebola-relief team to west africa some months ago... cuba has one of the best medical system and personnel, and they went under the cuba flag... also, there is lot of relief material that russia sends to syria in airplanes, materials like medicine and tents.

there is also the "world social forum" which happens generally in south america... it was started to stand against the "world economic forum" which is of course the capitalists' salivating platform.

here is hugo chavez at the wsf - 2005... ( Venezuela’s Chavez Closes World Social Forum with Call to Transcend Capitalism | venezuelanalysis.com )...

there are already common banking, common currency and new internet projects proposed in the east and south... there is the sco security grouping... all is there, only some more political will is needed.

@levina @Bamxa ^^^

Yes bro! thats the only solution, but the problem is that they will not gonna let others to fall off from their circle in order to keep their UN intact. We also have witnessed that they often use the tactics of threatening others by imposing sanctions or may be posing to invade if some one ever thinks of getting away from their domain.

I may be wrong but i think the UN is only for european countries plus united states while others are just by standers who dont have any role in the game or any sort of power to exercise or any basic rights to thrive. This scenario of UN is just like a food table where two or three big monsters eats up everything leaving nothing behind while the weak little fellows only gets the leftover and are compelled to wash dishes later on lol.

Anyway this unjust will not last long. Insha Allah, it will soon be over and i think that in future the UN will only be left with European countries and US. While others will detach from UN and will go else where. And i am not sure but i think that there will be multiple sub regional blocs (like asian bloc, far east bloc, south american which you have mentioned and etc.) in future. The benefits of this regional alliance will be far better than one can imagine, all countries in the region will going to look after for each other instead of pointing guns this will create a strong economic corridor and will ensure regional instability and will revert any chances of foreign invasion or invasion via war on terror. I know this looks bit fictional and some sort of dream "aur dewanay ka khwab" but i am hopeful and i am dead sure that the current scenario is paving path of such environment and there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

And who knows may be in future if our relation strengthens, then Pakistan and India along with china, iran and other regional countries will form a strong alliance.

 

[jamahir]

Yes bro! thats the only solution, but the problem is that they will not gonna let others to fall off from their circle in order to keep their UN intact. We also have witnessed that they often use the tactics of threatening others by imposing sanctions or may be posing to invade if some one ever thinks of getting away from their domain.

true, and they also keep their puppet governments in power, like in columbia where the socialist guerrilla movement called "farc" has been fighting for decades against the local american puppet regime.

This scenario of UN is just like a food table where two or three big monsters eats up everything leaving nothing behind while the weak little fellows only gets the leftover and are compelled to wash dishes later on lol.

good example.

Anyway this unjust will not last long. Insha Allah, it will soon be over and i think that in future the UN will only be left with European countries and US.

agreed... better is to slate with a clean slate.

While others will detach from UN and will go else where. And i am not sure but i think that there will be multiple sub regional blocs (like asian bloc, far east bloc, south american which you have mentioned and etc.) in future. The benefits of this regional alliance will be far better than one can imagine, all countries in the region will going to look after for each other instead of pointing guns this will create a strong economic corridor and will ensure regional instability and will revert any chances of foreign invasion or invasion via war on terror. I know this looks bit fictional and some sort of dream "aur dewanay ka khwab" but i am hopeful and i am dead sure that the current scenario is paving path of such environment and there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

why "deewanay ke khwaab"... what you write is what is needed for the immediate future ( within five years ).

And who knows may be in future if our relation strengthens, then Pakistan and India along with china, iran and other regional countries will form a strong alliance.

why only strong alliance, i would say that the future ( maybe by 2022 ) of south asia ( afg, pak, ind, bd, nepal, lanka, maybe iran ) should be... (a). unification for a short term, (b). so that they can be divided along permanent smaller units which are self-governing through direct-democracy... i have made a thread about this in november last year... ( proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10 ).

2022 seems too close a date for this, but revolutions have happened before, societies have changed overnight... all this needs is political will and military pressure.

 

[Brutas]

My opinion UNSC should have 4 more permanent members one more from Asia, one from Mid East & North Africa, one from South America & one representing sub-Saharan Africa. This will ensure proper representation of the world and balance of power.

 

[13 komaun]

true, and they also keep their puppet governments in power, like in columbia where the socialist guerrilla movement called "farc" has been fighting for decades against the local american puppet regime.



good example.



agreed... better is to slate with a clean slate.



why "deewanay ke khwaab"... what you write is what is needed for the immediate future ( within five years ).



why only strong alliance, i would say that the future ( maybe by 2022 ) of south asia ( afg, pak, ind, bd, nepal, lanka, maybe iran ) should be... (a). unification for a short term, (b). so that they can be divided along permanent smaller units which are self-governing through direct-democracy... i have made a thread about this in november last year... ( proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10 ).

2022 seems too close a date for this, but revolutions have happened before, societies have changed overnight... all this needs is political will and military pressure.

i support your noble idea of unification of south Asia comprising of banana republics,theocratic regimes,countries ruled by dictators with secular democracy India but i don't think you would see any support from the people outside this thread for ex-- look it in other threads of P.D.F how much Muslims love kafirs ,Shia loves Sunni, and vice versa.

 

[jamahir]

My opinion UNSC should have 4 more permanent members one more from Asia, one from Mid East & North Africa, one from South America & one representing sub-Saharan Africa. This will ensure proper representation of the world and balance of power.

except for generally in south america, there is no unity in the other regions you mention... how will you select the representative nation from such politically/socially disparate and warring nations??

i support your noble idea of unification of south Asia comprising of banana republics,theocratic regimes,countries ruled by dictators with secular democracy India but i don't think you would see any support from the people outside this thread for ex-- look it in other threads of P.D.F how much Muslims love kafirs ,Shia loves Sunni, and vice versa.

thank you.

and sorry, but many would say india is a theocracy and indeed, the uno-who has declared india to be "suicide capital of the world"... we should also look critically at ourselves, yes??

i agree there are some members like zaalim who posts insults to every indian member in sight but i find most pakistani and bangladeshi members very sensible... look at how they criticize their own societies, a character that many indian members have sadly not acquired... if there is a pakistani zaalim there is also a indian wolfschanzze.

as to the shia-sunni part, so many muslim members question that stupid shia-sunni divide... whenever the divide is promoted by some member, others try to teach him or report him or at least shut him up...

but overall, there is a educated/sensible section of humanity on pdf... it is they i am appealing to... please do read this thread... ( The Worldwide Government | Page 3 )... you will find good number of members agreeing most of the way or some of the way for such a radical idea... it is not my thread.

i write from the perspective of a socialist, a human who doesn't bother about his own nationality or of others... i only ask others to read it from that perspective... and once they begin doing so, they will get along jolly well.

do read that south asia thread and post reply here because that thread is closed.

 

[IsaacNewton]

UN was not created so that every country can have an equal voice, UN was created by the great power victors of WW2.

USA, USSR, China, Britian, France were the 5 largest countries in the world at 1945 (UK and France were #1 and #2 largest colonial empire), these 5 created the UN to prevent WW3, the other countries join because it is the cool thing to do.

If India does not like the permanent member system, India can leave the UN and create its own nation club.

 

[Blue_Eyes]

i ask that we talk as being human rather than people who were born in some nation or religion.

sorry but I am just awesome at reading psychology of others and you have an soft corner for Islam and which is good, but please don't hide it

immediate problems in the uno
1. the uno security council ( uno-sc ) is undemocratic... how can there be only a few "permanent" members who have veto voice and others don't... let us not bring the argument of nuclear powers and those not... i don't see why great nations like venezuela and syria are not "permanent" members... i don't see why the criminal regimes in usa and britain are "permanent" members.

I agree there should be atleast 3 members from one continent, or to be more precise there should also be some developing nations. why should only developped or 60% developped nations hold the veto??
the developping nation are also on the earth.

2. the uno-sc as proxy vote... it is clear that some self-proposed candidates for permanent membership have been clearly in the western bloc openly since korea war... also how is the permanency being decided... if germany and india can be made permanent member, why not venezuela, cuba, north korea, syria or pakistan... it is undemocratic not to do so.

i can't agree on this reason the underlined country are not democratic or if they are (like pakistan) the control is not in one hand, you just search this forum you will find more support for army than nawaz sharif(NO OFFENSE to OUR PAKISTANI brothers but afaik they don't think PM nawaz is perfect PM, the very same peoples who voted for PML-N back in 2013)

3. the uno as launch pad... western bloc has launched imperialistic and genocidal wars against many nations for decades, using uno as cover for their societal murders, whether in north korea, whether in libya... this they did disregarding the wishes of the other uno members, including in the uno-sc... how can some uno members arranging hanging of the proud president of another uno member nations... how can this unjust act be done and forgotten by the arrangers and their puppets... how can the western bloc be allowed to build up war against great countries through fake allegations of "human rights violations" and "the regime is killing civilians", and then proceed to use depleted-uranium weapons or terrorist proxies or direct large-scale invasions... it is clear that uno secretary-generals have generally tended to advance the cause of the capitalist western bloc, despite seeing genocide by the same western bloc... this must be rejected.

underlined part for saddam hussain??
and yes UN is a puppet undoubtly in some cases.

4. what is so special about usa that the uno headquarters should be based there... it is strange to base uno hq in usa knowing fully of the imperialistic wars usa military and allies have launched over the decades.

because USA is the most developped country and also owner of UN

the way to work
1. since it is proved that the uno-sc is undemocratic, ineffective and proxy for western bloc, there is no point in continuing the uno-sc... it must be therefore terminated... all military decisions must be taken in the uno general assembly, with proper debate based on common sense and consensus, not on unilateral decisions based on fake media campaigns and induced terrorist activity.

or add more permanent members

2. all illegal wars launched by the western bloc since 2011 must be stopped immediately... the occupation government ( regime ) in libya must be arrested for imposing criminal rule on a people who reject their rule... western forces and intelligence activity against syria must be withdrawn... syrian military should be allowed to eradicate the criminals who invaded their country in 2011... same is the case with the western proxy war against venezuela.

you are more syrian than indian
anyways if there is injustice done by west to these countries then only one solution is there add more permanent members to unsc and neutralise the power of west.

3. the uno headquarters must be shifted immediately to another more responsible nation, like russia.

agree.
and why not India?? or Indonesia Or Srilanka??

4. the uno must create panels for kashmir, kurdistan, korea ( edit : and israel/palestine )... these four issues hold solution to much peace in the world.

Kashmir is integral part of India and we don't want any third party there.
your stand on kashmir is not acceptable.

 

[Sine Nomine]

A state which involves in State sponsored terrorism to intentionally murder hundreds of innocent people.

Well you are right sir LTTE,Muktis,Nagas,Kashmiris etc

 

[blood]

2022 seems too close a date for this, but revolutions have happened before, societies have changed overnight... all this needs is political will and military pressure.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

why only strong alliance, i would say that the future ( maybe by 2022 ) of south asia ( afg, pak, ind, bd, nepal, lanka, maybe iran ) should be... (a). unification for a short term, (b). so that they can be divided along permanent smaller units which are self-governing through direct-democracy... i have made a thread about this in november last year... ( proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10 ).

2022 seems too close a date for this, but revolutions have happened before, societies have changed overnight... all this needs is political will and military pressure.

Sir @jamahir I will disagree with you as regard to the idea of unification. I think that making alliance instead of unification will be great idea.
Unification is not needed at a moment, if it happens it will create lots of problems and may be it will led to a civil war and will make things more complex, as there are lots of difference among the political and social stand of people of these countries.
If we analyse closely we will see that the political dynamics of eastern side of southasia is quite different from that of western side of it. The society in Afghanistan, Pakistan and in Iran are different from India, BD, and other south asian countries. Their way of thinking, living, culture are totally different. This word "difference" will gonna create mess, which we have also witnessed in BD at 1971. Instead of going for unification, we just needs to create the strong alliance just like the one in Europe.

So i think its better to stick with the idea of making alliance rather than unification