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[VCheng]

The issue is we can afford to turn a blind eye to the gullible teenagers and women falling for ISIS traps, till one of them is our own.

Without writing a long post, please note that no one gets radicalized in isolation. Almost always the parents and their inability to bridge the cultural and generation gaps play a large role in the younger generation seeking rectification elsewhere. If one of our own goes that way, we all are to blame. We all pay the price too.

 

[MastanKhan]

The issue is we can afford to turn a blind eye to the gullible teenagers and women falling for ISIS traps, till one of them is our own.

Hi,

So true---. The tragedy of this modern day electronics is that we never know what our kids are doing. Tell me---how many times can I ask my daughter to check her phone or same with my son---. You just cannot---they will turn on you either way either to spite you or out of other issues if they have to---...

I wish there was a loud alarm that would go off when the teens are getting lured into this world of death and destruction---I mean to say physical alarm----not the hint type alarm.

The only solution to this monstrosity is to take it head on ride at the time of its birth---relentlessly pursuing it till it is destroyed in the shortest possible time.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

Countering radicalism with another radicalism is never the solution to the problem .

The more force you apply the more opposing result you get !

One needs to understand how the situation got so worse, where not only bunch of rag tag thrived but are actually challenging a well disciplined force.

NSA or Cia for that matter have failed miserably. Either their intelligence gather was trash ( which is obvlsyu not) or they just didn't care and let it grow to become a force. To me personally, the later makes more sense.

You see, you can kill a person, but not destroy the idea that he has stood for, which is further reinforced by biggest blunders of US's history, Iraq wars and Afghan. 2mn or so many people died for nonexistent WMD, leading to opening of one of the worst camps of torture in modern history.

Empty mind can be easily manipulated, coupled with rampant corruption, injustice, lack of empathy and ignorance of a society as whole a gives birth to such radicalism. Which we have seen in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, etc.

Attacking and invading country is nothing new for US, But this time, why did it fail?

why did it not fail during the bombing of Japan?

Or during The bombing of Germany ?

After All, the situation is not different to what it was back then.

Top shorten it up, locals were suffering from tyrannical leader, emperors and Welcomed US stance, To further reinforce the bond, Us went step ahead by actually re-developing the society, By providing them the means of work, basic human needs and all.

One can always read the Marshall fund program of Europe and Redevelopment of Japan.

The atrocity carried out on the above country was far more worse and damaging and yet still we see them embracing US with both hands, why?

Because, US wasn't seen as invading power (even though US was doing it i out of its national interests) but more of a force which helped the locals get rid of tyrannical leader.

Same case here, but with rather different approach. When US came with Drums of war, the local actually supported it, because they knew that Saddam's tyrannical era has come to an end, little did they know that the worst was yet to come, if they had, US would have not been able to actually establish high ground without the support from local population.
(As we can see Afghanistan).

Iraq altogether was a different country, with much more diverse religious views.

People are controlled by using two methods:

1. You come and force them into submission, at a point you will not face any resistance but as time passes gradually, you will have their livelihoods destroyed, their families gone and eventually nothing will be left to loose, and when that happens, you will find everyone becoming terrorist with one goal to destroy the invading force

2. You provide them with means to lose. I.e. provide them a decent society, schools, medical facilities, work, food shelter, clothing etc. Give them something that they will fear to loose.

The former method is orthodox which never works, and you end up having twice the damage yourself than inflicting on other, where as the latter method is more modern and civilized form of slavery that has been put into use after WW2 and it has no doubt given successful result.

This is where US failed, When they came, they came to destroy country only for one thing and we al know better and this gave the rise to new form of rebellion, in fact something far more worse, which we know as ISIS.

Unless Us changes its policies radically, ISIS or Al qaeda for that matter won't be the last of terrorist organization we face in modern history

 

[Levina]

Hi,

So true---. The tragedy of this modern day electronics is that we never know what our kids are doing. Tell me---how many times can I ask my daughter to check her phone or same with my son---. You just cannot---they will turn on you either way either to spite you or out of other issues if they have to---...

I wish there was a loud alarm that would go off when the teens are getting lured into this world of death and destruction---I mean to say physical alarm----not the hint type alarm.

I concur.

The only solution to this monstrosity is to take it head on ride at the time of its birth---relentlessly pursuing it till it is destroyed in the shortest possible time.

I agree but I really think that not enough is done in this direction by the governments, which could be perilous.

Without writing a long post, please note that no one gets radicalized in isolation. Almost always the parents and their inability to bridge the cultural and generation gaps play a large role in the younger generation seeking rectification elsewhere. If one of our own goes that way, we all are to blame. We all pay the price too.

I agree to it partly.
Not so long back I was a rebellious daughter and I for one know that my parents can not be blamed for my actions.
So parents can not always be held responsible for misadventures of their children, albeit keeping vigil helps to a great extent.

 

[VCheng]

I agree to it partly.
Not so long back I was a rebellious daughter and I for one know that my parents can not be blamed for my actions.
So parents can not always be held responsible for misadventures of their children, albeit keeping vigil helps to a great extent.

There is a difference between teenage rebellion and getting on a plane to fight with ISIS. Big difference. The first can be dealt with by positive engagement, the second one not so much. It does not happen in a day. The first one may progress to the second only if the parents consistently fail to be a positive influence on their children during their formative years.

 

[MastanKhan]

Not so long back I was a rebellious daughter and I for one know that my parents can not be blamed for my actions.
So parents can not always be held responsible for misadventures of their children, albeit keeping vigil helps to a great extent.

Hi,

I can vouch for that---. Parents can only do much. Many a children live their own life and nothing can the parents do to change it.

I threatened to kill my father when I was 15----. He was such a wonderful man---he never retaliated---never said anything to me---just stayed calm.

You know hormones---in some kids---they are explosive---and in others---it is a nice smooth release---. Those who were not rebellious in their teens have no clue what happens and how it happens---. For me it was always a hair trigger---.

I swear that I have no clue how I have stayed away from getting into serious trouble all my life. I just wanted to get into more trouble and trouble did not materialize---I think that I am blessed---.

I keep telling my kids---to be conscious of what is happening around them---to keep their eyes open and I pray for them to not to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[CENTCOM]

There is a limit that society cannot go beyond in insulating people from their own stupidity. As Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid".

We already provide them with civil society, rule of law, opportunities to benefit from their hard work, and the freedom to form their own views with open access to any and all sources.

If someone still wishes to believe in the romanticized version of utter horror being sold to them, I would suggest that we should let them do it.

I do not say that lightly, as I rationalize above.

Let the first couple of hundred jihadi warriors go out to do battle and get killed and raped and worse. Others will pay attention very quickly, I can guarantee it.

I see your point, but if that "stupid"'s harm is not confined to himself/herself and will further perpetuate harm to other individuals, then he/she no longer a benign "stupid" no?

Haroon Ahmad
DET - U.S. Central Command
United States Central Command - Urdu - MacDill Air Force Base, FL - Government Organization | Facebook

 

[VCheng]

I see your point, but if that "stupid"'s harm is not confined to himself/herself and will further perpetuate harm to other individuals, then he/she no longer a benign "stupid" no?

Haroon Ahmad
DET - U.S. Central Command
United States Central Command - Urdu - MacDill Air Force Base, FL - Government Organization | Facebook

That is exactly why I say that it is not just the individual's, but also the family's and the neighborhood's responsibility to look after their own, no matter how "special" they might be. I simply do not accept the statements made by family and friends after the fact that they had no idea, or were powerless to stop the process, which never happens overnight.

 

[salarsikander]

That is exactly why I say that it is not just the individual's, but also the family's and the neighborhood's responsibility to look after their own, no matter how "special" they might be. I simply do not accept the statements made by family and friends after the fact that they had no idea, or were powerless to stop the process, which never happens overnight.

Hi,

sir the joys of being dad and a grand father, easier said than done, dont you think?

But then again, responsibilities lies with elders, no matter what the situation was

 

[RazorMC]

Maybe one cause is the pursuit of adventure and an opportunity to turn yourself into a hero, a martyr.

How can we counsel millions into understanding the reality of war when our movies glorify them beyond comprehension?

How can our younger generation be at peace with their lives when MTV constantly bombards them with the message to achieve fame and wealth?

How do we enhance family bonds that once existed in our society, but are now absent in the modern nuclear family?

 

[rockstar08]

@CENTCOM , well what i believe that , Internet is full of the Propaganda material used to attract the young minds , who are more Emotional , they use to make decision rationally , rather than hold up for a second and think what they are up to ..
but when they do its already too late for them to come out of this sand pit ..

the problem lies within the Authorities , and their behavior to deal with the Challenge , no matter what your President say's in his Statement , if your Govt cant Control voice on Media which much harsh whenever a Terrorist hit your cities , you ( Western ) countries allowed Muslims to come to your land , live , do work and get education and a lot more ,you treat them like your citizens but when ever some scum bag hits the city ,you bring all those Muslims down to their knees and ask them to apologize for the doing of some Jihad lover ,attacks on Mosques , insulting a certain religion , provoking the Muslims to react , are few examples which i dont need to prove here ..

if I say for just USA , i have many many American Friends over Social networks , and what i found from years of friendship with them that they were feed so much wrong information about Islam and Muslim over these years that sometimes they tell me things from the Quran which i never heard of .. and when i asked them who told them all these things ,so their reply is that their Church or Parents who listen from some Media source .. you guys need to regulate the Churches and Mosques , what they are preaching , Obviously its not hard for US govt to reach Good and well Educated Islamic Scholars and hire them Officially to create a Check and Balance system all over the US , so if any Mosque try to Manipulate the Verse of Quran or try to mis interpret the verse you can easily caught them with a counter Argument ..

The 2nd or 3rd Generation of Muslims living and working in US , are much more Open minded , and they hardly consider themselves as Religious , cause they have seen a different face of Religion in the Middle East ..whatever the cause of those war's , but same a Jihadi young kid is brainwashed by the ideology of people's like Osama Bin Laden and Bhagdadi , on the other hand the Moderate and Secular 2nd and 3rd Gen Muslims are highly repulsive towards religion ..

They recruit those people who are socially abandoned ... they are disturbed in their lives , and this is where these Masterminds came to hit them ... they will present propaganda stuff to them Via Facebook , Twitter and other social Networks and these young people think that its their duty to stand up against a certain force ...majority of the Leaders working in Organizations like ISIS, AQ , they are Educated and get Valued Degree's in Islamic studies , so its hard for young minds to argue with them or pose any counter Questions , unless you educate your people ..

My best Suggestion to you and your Authorities is that , Reach out to the Muslims living in US, be nice to them , give them surety that their religion or religious figures wont be offended in the name of Freedom , which is against Moral and Ethical Values , regulate their Mosque , govt Official of any particular Area must reach them once in a while or special Occasion like Eid , Ramadan etc ask them their issues , and go their with highly Qualified Scholars who can give speeches and learning material to them , so if they are in some where contact with those Jihadi idiots to they can pose some counter Arguments to them , until they are in their homes ,the ISIS posses no threat to them ... and a person can ask them Question Regarding Islam and Shariah which they claimed to be implementing ..

one more thing i would like to add here , that it should be Govt responsibility to watch over media , and Churches , they should know what Church is feeding to American Christians , Jews or Anyone .. they should know that if they are Using Quranic Verses Out of Context , so makes sure that Govt help and send someone to clear up their mind .. if Christians have any Issue with their Muslims Community in some Area , so they should not go by themselves and stone or burn the Mosques they should contact Govt ,and Govt should reach them to clear up the issues in a higher level ...

Once the Young Muslims find themselves been Educated by the Govt Officials and Highly Qualified Scholars , they will than think 100 times to reach on some sort of Conclusion to join these Jihadi Idiots ...

You Start doing these things , and i am Sure your will see the Positive Results in very less time ..