Recent surge in Afghanistan terrorism is Reaction of Sour Losers

[noksss]

Who has triggered the recent surge in terror attacks in Afghanistan


after the recent thaw in relations between Pakistan, America and Afghanistan's new regime. there were some good news in the fight against terrorism where all three countries practically provided back to back support and acknowledged each other's contribution and for the first time for a decade, the usual blames and counter blames among all three countries were replaced with praise and acknowledgement for each other.

So who will like to see all this ruined and 3 countries again going for each others' neck? who is supporting the terrorists now? who suddenly got the lease of life and support to launch some devastating attacks against the new Afghan regime and the low profile Americans? Although they are being hunted for the first time relentlessly on both sides of the border?

definitely someone who didn't take these new developments very kindly and feels left out and all the time, effort and money wasted? and what better way to not only teach Americans and Afghans a lesson for ignoring ts "concerns" but also implicate Pakistan army and open the wholesale media blame on Pakistan army?

it is a well tried and tested Indian black operations and as I expected India would take some drastic actions to corner Pakistan once again and reverse all the recent gains in Pak US Afghan relations. although a false flag attack within Indian territory is always a viable operation open to Indian decision makers but instigating terrorism in Afghanistan can result in multiple gains where Afghan will be punished for their "betrayal" and Americans will be reminded that Pakistan army cant be trusted and its at it again by supporting the "haqqanis" and shooting in its own foot as a thank you for handing over Latif ullah Mehsood and targeting Fazlullah? yea right. try harder my Indian friends.

lets see how this plays out.

@AgNoStiC MuSliM @MastanKhan @niaz @Horus @waz @Oscar

You cross all levels of stupidity by this post let me ask you a simple question we have proved it to the UN that paksitan was involved in Mumbai attack and got the Laskshar-e-taiba banned .What stops pakistan to share the proof of indian involvement in terror activity to the whole world or atleast to your american friend . Please dont come back by putting some youtube video. answer with your sense if you have any

the attacks are so desperate and so relentless that it has had a devastating effect on the infant Afghan regime and they must be in an utter shell shock moment right now. just watch this space when Indians will land a statement like knights in shining armor providing their selfless services to Afghanistan.
A barrage of programs and articles will be launched once India will take the lead by blaming ISI and Pakistan army for these attacks.

Now the conclusion to your analysis would be to bleed india with more terrorist attack with the good taliban or the guy who has a USD10M bounty on his head as revenge am i right ?

 

[timetravel]

WHY NOT

INFACT ISIS, Taliban, AL Queda, Osama Bin Laden have nothing to do with ISLAMIC RADICALS. Infact they are working for HINDUS to destroy the Kafir Muslims.

and not only that but 26/11, 9/11 was planned and executed by ISI on behalf of RAW.

and lastly India is behind all the terrorist attacks in Afghanistan. RAW infact operated terrorist camps INSIDE Pakistan to attack Afghanistan.

any more theories to make excuses from your own hands in glove brotherhood with ISLAMIC RADICALS??

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You cross all levels of stupidity by this post let me ask you a simple question we have proved it to the UN that paksitan was involved in Mumbai attack and got the Laskshar-e-taiba banned .What stops pakistan to share the proof of indian involvement in terror activity to the whole world or atleast to your american friend . Please dont come back by putting some youtube video. answer with your sense if you have any



Now the conclusion to your analysis would be to bleed india with more terrorist attack with the good taliban or the guy who has a USD10M bounty on his head as revenge am i right ?

regardless of what is happening in Pakistan and Afghanistan though the hands of taliban
there is a dark proxy war being played as well and its not just me but the Americans also acknowledge that

@timetravel
I never praise or support terrorism against civilians of any country. I condemned Mombai attacks. my thread is against the Indian proxy was in Afghanistan which is aimed at hurting Pakistan via Balochistan and KPK.
I am highlighting that issue and suggesting preventative measures and counters against that.
your suggestion that I support terrorism against Indian civilians is unfair.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

regardless of what is happening in Pakistan and Afghanistan though the hands of taliban
there is a dark proxy war being played as well and its not just me but the Americans also acknowledge that

@timetravel
I never praise or support terrorism against civilians of any country. I condemned Mombai attacks. my thread is against the Indian proxy was in Afghanistan which is aimed at hurting Pakistan via Balochistan and KPK.
I am highlighting that issue and suggesting preventative measures and counters against that.
your suggestion that I support terrorism against Indian civilians is unfair.

I often wonder when reality will give you Pakistanis a hard slap in the face and the unfortunate position is that it never will. When will you guys stop claiming that your country is messed up due to interference by USA/UK/India/Israel/Afghanistan/Iran etc and come to the realization that your country is messed up due to Pakistan and Pakistanis? Stop looking for the boogeyman outside your house. The boogeyman is right under your bed. 124 children killed this week and the reaction in a week will be that Afghanistan or India or Israel was responsible for this. Heck if you can prove that any single Indian is involved in your country's mess, please find him or her and hang them. Start an online petition to have him or her extradited from India and I will be the first to support it. Only a stupid Indian even at government level will want to poke their noses into Pakistan's affairs.

 

[utraash]

I don't wish to sound harsh but a little amount of introspection will certainly help you .... Rest you can always put forth such conspiracy for LAAL Topi audience....

 

[OrionHunter]

I see a lot of paranoia against India and conspiracy theories. This whole thread is a joke!!

@Irfan Baloch, sorry for my comments. But that's the truth! These fairy tales have started to get a little annoying! Even hilarious at times!

Here's one of your gems that I'll cut, frame and hang on the wall....

Things are now changing and your people have seen that happening so they are panicking now, you guys better wrap up and leave the place while you have time. your Anti Pakistan operations in Afghanistan have failed yet again.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I see a lot of paranoia against India and conspiracy theories. This whole thread is a joke!!

Things are now changing and your people have seen that happening so they are panicking now, you guys better wrap up and leave the place while you have time. your Anti Pakistan operations in Afghanistan have failed yet again.

American forces in Afghanistan, Afghans themselves and Pakistanis also have seen the surge in terrorism due to the recent combined operations against the terrorists.

these attacks are the sign of frustration clearly and will only betray their planners. there is nothing to laugh about.
might as well listen to what the Americans are saying then you can continue laughing

 

[PlanetWarrior]

American forces in Afghanistan, Afghans themselves and Pakistanis also have seen the surge in terrorism due to the recent combined operations against the terrorists.

these attacks are the sign of frustration clearly and will only betray their planners. there is nothing to laugh about.
might as well listen to what the Americans are saying then you can continue laughing

You have yet to answer the following, and when a logical explanation can be provided by any Pakistani, then this thread will be worthy of a logical response :

• what are the benefits to India for a destabilized Pakistan ? (Please don't sprout any Akhand Bharat nonsense)
• why will India want to instigate any proxy war against Pakistan considering that India has not proclaimed any support to any organization within or outside of India which supports either overthrowing the Pakistani establishment or demanding any portion of Pakistani territory?
• has India ever shown any resistance to Pakistani establishment of trade and other ties with Afghanistan? On the contrary, can it be disputed by Pakistan that India accepts that links between Pakistan and Afghanistan are inevitable given the proximity of their borders ?
• since independence and apart from 1971, can any proof of Indian involvement in the destabilization of Pakistan be provided?
• on the contrary, can Pakistan dispute that Pakistani nationals are regularly involved in attempts to violently and otherwise destabilize India and Indian controlled territories?

The above are just the start of a few succinct questions which Pakistanis need to ask themselves. Until they can answer those questions, they need to stop wrestling with their imaginations

 

[timetravel]

regardless of what is happening in Pakistan and Afghanistan though the hands of taliban
there is a dark proxy war being played as well and its not just me but the Americans also acknowledge that

@timetravel
I never praise or support terrorism against civilians of any country. I condemned Mombai attacks. my thread is against the Indian proxy was in Afghanistan which is aimed at hurting Pakistan via Balochistan and KPK.
I am highlighting that issue and suggesting preventative measures and counters against that.
your suggestion that I support terrorism against Indian civilians is unfair.

I am not trying to suggest you support terrorism against Indian civilians. I am just saying that India does not support Taliban. Taliban is India's biggest enemy alongwith Al Queda, LET.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I am not trying to suggest you support terrorism against Indian civilians. I am just saying that India does not support Taliban. Taliban is India's biggest enemy alongwith Al Queda, LET.

covert and proxy wars are not as honorable as you and me read in the "good books of ours"
they are dirty,
all above entities are directly or indirectly our enemies too.

but in covert wars.. enemy of my enemy is my friend (no matter how deranged and despicable he would be). but this is just one element

I am not talking at tactical level with names sake organisation but an over all long term strategy in fighting covert wars between states.
CIA tops the charts in the most political assassinations across the globe and instigating unrest and insurgencies (Latin America being hit the most).

 

[Joeblow]

covert and proxy wars are not as honorable as you and me read in the "good books of ours"
they are dirty,
all above entities are directly or indirectly our enemies too.

but in covert wars.. enemy of my enemy is my friend (no matter how deranged and despicable he would be). but this is just one element

I am not talking at tactical level with names sake organisation but an over all long term strategy in fighting covert wars between states.
CIA tops the charts in the most political assassinations across the globe and instigating unrest and insurgencies (Latin America being hit the most).

When I first started reading this thread, I was desperately hoping to find a link so it wouldn't be actually written by you. Unfortunately, it was not to be.

Of course, covert wars are dirty. However, your assertion that the attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan are financed by India ignores the fact that the attacks are by the Taliban, an organization that Pakistan has nurtured over the years. Gen. Hamid Gul once described Haqqani as being as pro-Pakistan as himself and that when he's sons wanted to go to Jihad in Aghanistan, he was the one he entrusted them to (which also begs the question, where was the Pakistan govt. when it's citizens were crossing the international border to fight a holy war in another country). Taliban, Haqqani, Hekmetyar are all your horses. India's was always Najeebullah and then the Northern Alliance. Just because you beat some guy till he said what you wanted to hear doesn't change 35 years of history. India is not Pakistan's well-wisher or friend. However, you need to face the reality that you created most of your enemies and you've lost control of them. You could have stayed with a nationalistic movement in Afghanistan but you chose a religious one instead. The obvious problem with that is that, unlike a nationalistic movement which restricts itself to it borders, a religious movement spillovers and spreads everywhere it can find traction. Look at your signature. It openly supports an organization that is attacking the govt. of Afghanistan. How can you say with a straight-face that the problems caused by these people are because of India?

I've heard it said by quite a few Pakistanis that there weren't any suicide bombings in Pakistan before the WoT hence the Americans are to blame for their woes. They are confusing the cause and effect. The reason there were no attacks back then was that you were training these people and sending them off to Afghanistan and India. Once WoT started in Afghanistan, the focus of the world shifted to this region and suddenly Pakistan had a couple of generations worth of Jihadis stuck within their borders and all hell broke loose. That's the truth of your situation. You can blame India all you want, it's not going to change reality. It's going to take atleast a decade or two before things get back to normal in Pakistan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Of course, covert wars are dirty. However, your assertion that the attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan are financed by India ignores the fact that the attacks are by the Taliban, an organization that Pakistan has nurtured over the years.

dear you are factually wrong

TTP is NOT nurtured by Pakistan
its leadership has never ever fought in Afghanistan and the organisation is made up of former and present sectarian terrorists who have kept their operations within Pakistan.

Afghan taliban were a different story, they were created with the help of Saudi and Americans. dont be selective in your narration of Afghan taliban. differentiating Haqqanis is also factually wrong and betrays bad homework on the part of the analysts who dont see that Haqqani group is part of Mullah Omars Afghan taliban shura.


Pakistanis have no part in creating the TTP. the TTP has never ever committed any terrorism outside Pakistan and have repeatedly said that they are only doing it because Pakistan joined American war on terror.

on the other hand my dear. Fazlullah and Kurasani are openly living in Afghanistan and even the previous Afghan regime mocked Pakistan and admitted proudly that it is supporting them and we know who was pampering Karzai and as a result was able to build so many conciliates along our borders where there is no population. the intention was less diplomatic and more destructive.

 

[noksss]

regardless of what is happening in Pakistan and Afghanistan though the hands of taliban
there is a dark proxy war being played as well and its not just me but the Americans also acknowledge that

@timetravel
I never praise or support terrorism against civilians of any country. I condemned Mombai attacks. my thread is against the Indian proxy was in Afghanistan which is aimed at hurting Pakistan via Balochistan and KPK.
I am highlighting that issue and suggesting preventative measures and counters against that.
your suggestion that I support terrorism against Indian civilians is unfair.

You exactly did what i said by posting 50 sec video Now look at the what the USD10M bounty guy is doing
Hafiz Saeed on TV Threatens Terror Attacks Against India

dear you are factually wrong

TTP is NOT nurtured by Pakistan
its leadership has never ever fought in Afghanistan and the organisation is made up of former and present sectarian terrorists who have kept their operations within Pakistan.

Afghan taliban were a different story, they were created with the help of Saudi and Americans. dont be selective in your narration of Afghan taliban. differentiating Haqqanis is also factually wrong and betrays bad homework on the part of the analysts who dont see that Haqqani group is part of Mullah Omars Afghan taliban shura.


Pakistanis have no part in creating the TTP. the TTP has never ever committed any terrorism outside Pakistan and have repeatedly said that they are only doing it because Pakistan joined American war on terror.

on the other hand my dear. Fazlullah and Kurasani are openly living in Afghanistan and even the previous Afghan regime mocked Pakistan and admitted proudly that it is supporting them and we know who was pampering Karzai and as a result was able to build so many conciliates along our borders where there is no population. the intention was less diplomatic and more destructive.

What a big liar are you man here is NYT article on who is pakistan taliban and they have many leaders who fought in paksitan
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/asia/how-the-pakistani-taliban-became-a-deadly-force.html

 

[Joeblow]

dear you are factually wrong

TTP is NOT nurtured by Pakistan
its leadership has never ever fought in Afghanistan and the organisation is made up of former and present sectarian terrorists who have kept their operations within Pakistan.

Afghan taliban were a different story, they were created with the help of Saudi and Americans. dont be selective in your narration of Afghan taliban. differentiating Haqqanis is also factually wrong and betrays bad homework on the part of the analysts who dont see that Haqqani group is part of Mullah Omars Afghan taliban shura.


Pakistanis have no part in creating the TTP. the TTP has never ever committed any terrorism outside Pakistan and have repeatedly said that they are only doing it because Pakistan joined American war on terror.

on the other hand my dear. Fazlullah and Kurasani are openly living in Afghanistan and even the previous Afghan regime mocked Pakistan and admitted proudly that it is supporting them and we know who was pampering Karzai and as a result was able to build so many conciliates along our borders where there is no population. the intention was less diplomatic and more destructive.

Pakistan didn't create TTP. It rose from the leftovers of Taliban that Pakistan created. US didn't create Taliban. It helped create the Mujahideen. It was only in the 1990s after the both US and the USSR had departed from Afghanistan that the Taliban came into existence It is the Pakistanis that are trying to connect the Taliban to the Afghan mujahideen. There were very few talibs who'd actually fought against the Soviet Union.

Those consulates existed since the 80s and have been re-opened. The whole thing about new consulates just springing up left and right is myth created by conspiracy theorists. Both Haqqani and Mullah Omar were foot soldiers during the Afghan war with the soviets. It is only in the 1990s that they rose to prominence after Pakistan realized that the leaders of Afghanistan were going to leave Pakistan without the strategic depth that they'd hoped for.

I'm not aware of any statement by Afghans admitting that they were supporting the TTP. Perhaps you can provide a link? Also, the Taliban and AQ leaders were living in Pakistan and attacking Afghan and American interests. Can you blame the Afghans for supporting your enemy when you support theirs? Can you blame them for not feeling friendly towards you when you called their president the Mayor of Kabul?

 

[Vassnti]

Afghan taliban were a different story, they were created with the help of Saudi and Americans. dont be selective in your narration of Afghan taliban. differentiating Haqqanis is also factually wrong and betrays bad homework on the part of the analysts who dont see that Haqqani group is part of Mullah Omars Afghan taliban shura.
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Despite the public statements, I thought the only allegiance Haqquanis's had was to them selves and were more like fleas on the same dog than part of the QST?