Recent Sino-Indian border conflict

[gambit]

Why? China style combat gear is not good enough??

No. Desert Storm was a shock to the PLA system in its entirety.

During Desert Shield, all the major military powers in the world, China included, wrote their own analyses of a possible shooting fight between Iraqi and US forces, even though everyone was hoping for a diplomatic solution. Their analyses were that though the US would win, we would take, according to the PLA, Vietnam War era casualties, meaning around 50,000 KIAs. But when Desert Storm hit, it turned out US and allies were more in danger of fratricide than from the Iraqi Army.

For China, the PLA's embarrassment in front of the Pulitburo was the point of no turning back. The PLA leadership had to admit that most of everything that make up the PLA was categorically inferior to the US military, down to the way a soldier was dressed and equipped. So if you look at the how the PLA reformed since Desert Storm, you will see American signatures all over it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No. Desert Storm was a shock to the PLA system in its entirety.

During Desert Shield, all the major military powers in the world, China included, wrote their own analyses of a possible shooting fight between Iraqi and US forces, even though everyone was hoping for a diplomatic solution. Their analyses were that though the US would win, we would take, according to the PLA, Vietnam War era casualties, meaning around 50,000 KIAs. But when Desert Storm hit, it turned out US and allies were more in danger of fratricide than from the Iraqi Army.

For China, the PLA's embarrassment in front of the Pulitburo was the point of no turning back. The PLA leadership had to admit that most of everything that make up the PLA was categorically inferior to the US military, down to the way a soldier was dressed and equipped. So if you look at the how the PLA reformed since Desert Storm, you will see American signatures all over it.

I wouldnt brag about a super power vs iraqi army...

Even vietnam wasnt a comventional war and millions of Vietnamese civilians paid the price of US indiscriminate bombing and massacres...

Its like firing a 30mm to kill an ant.

What happened after the defeat of the pathetic iraqi troops is more important..

P.S; No offence, but people who have been to US mil institutions or conducted training with US mil...I talked to dont have much appreciation for your troops or officers..

But they do envy n praise US technology..

US style according to indian media, dont think PLA ever claimed as such
this is what it looks like since the TOI is too lazy to find a proper photo

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This is a really cool pic;

 

[gambit]

I wouldnt brag about a super power vs iraqi army...

That is hindsight. You think the Pakistani military would have been the exception back then?

Even vietnam wasnt a comventional war and millions of Vietnamese civilians paid the price of US indiscriminate bombing and massacres...

You said it -- "wasnt a comventional war". But whenever the NVA decided to fight the US military conventionally, it got beaten. In other words, the best alternative, not necessarily the best way, to fight the US military is thru unconventional war.

Its like firing a 30mm to kill an ant.

Right...As if the Pakistani military is going to fight every war fairly. Mano-a-mano.

Please refrain from using this line of criticism. There are few respects in war. See the Geneva Convention for guidelines. But the bottom line is that in a war, if I can outnumber you 3-1, I will. Else I will call for 2-1. That superiority maybe in the form of technology, but as long as it works, I will use it.

Looky here...Desert Storm HAS gone down in military history as an event of warfare as significant as the machine gun, the airplane, the aircraft carrier, the missile, or the tank. In other words, an event that irrevocably changed the face of warfare. The swift defeat of the Iraqi army is the result of the changes the US military made within itself, after all, a swift defeat is exactly what every military leader want. So instead of mocking US, you should study up on why everyone was so wrong with their predictions.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That is hindsight. You think the Pakistani military would have been the exception back then?

Much more compared to any arab or asian military thats for sure.

You said it -- "wasnt a comventional war". But whenever the NVA decided to fight the US military conventionally, it got beaten. In other words, the best alternative, not necessarily the best way, to fight the US military is thru unconventional war.

Isnt it ironic when you compare a super power vs a third world nation?

Imagine Modern China or USSR or even Russia ... the results wouldnt be beey positive for america.. thats guaranteed.

Right...As if the Pakistani military is going to fight every war fairly. Mano-a-mano.

Has nothing to do with Pak..


Please refrain from using this line of criticism. There are few respects in war. See the Geneva Convention for guidelines. But the bottom line is that in a war, if I can outnumber you 3-1, I will. Else I will call for 2-1. That superiority maybe in the form of technology, but as long as it works, I will use it.

Looky here...Desert Storm HAS gone down in military history as an event of warfare as significant as the machine gun, the airplane, the aircraft carrier, the missile, or the tank. In other words, an event that irrevocably changed the face of warfare. The swift defeat of the Iraqi army is the result of the changes the US military made within itself, after all, a swift defeat is exactly what every military leader want. So instead of mocking US, you should study up on why everyone was so wrong with their predictions.

It has gone down in history as a major air campaign against a much inferior force...

Air domination and death of retreating saddams troops..

Again its like killing an ant with a 30mm canon.

P.S: I actually commented about your troops not being exceptional in quality... I however have no doubt about super firepower and technology possessed by USA.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

SURGICAL STRIKE BY CHINAragon breathes fire at border: A year after Doklam, Chinese troops enter Indian side in Arunachal Pradesh
India

Updated Oct 15, 2018 | 15:41 IST | Times Now Digital

A year after the Doklam standoff between the Indian and Chinese armies, 11 PLA men were seen a km inside Indian territory in Dibang in Arunachal Pradesh.

Chinese troops inside Indian territory | Photo Credit: Times Now

Itanagar: A year after the Doklam crisis in which Indian and Chinese troops were locked in a standoff along the Line of Actual Control, (LAC), local residents of Dibang in Arunachal Pradesh have raised an alarm of a similar intrusion by the Chinese troops. Local residents have clicked photographs showing Chinese Peoples' Liberation Army (PLA) troops in Dibang in Arunachal Pradesh.

According to Times Now channel, the troops — around 11 Chinese PLA men dressed in camouflaged Army fatigues — were spotted in upper Dibang in Arunachal Pradesh. They were spotted by local villagers who had gone out hunting. The locals then clicked photographs of the intrusion and alerted the Army and local administration. It is believed that the intrusion took place about five-six days ago. The troops were about one km inside the Indian territory.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1051708058634571776

TIMES NOW accesses proof of Chinese PLA entering the Indian territory in Upper Dibang district of Arunachal Pradesh

This is not the first time that PLA troops have entered inside the Indian territory. Intrusions along the LAC are a regular occurrence along the de-facto boundary between India and China. China, however, refuses to accept that Arunachal Pradesh is an Indian territory and instead, continued to refer to the state and southern Tibet.

The intrusion has surfaced at a time when India and China have joined hands to train Afghan diplomats in New Delhi. The relations between the two countries have been going through a rough patch post the 2017 Doklam standoff, wherein Chinese troops were spotted constructing a road inside the Indian territory in Doklam in June 2017. They were apprehended by Indian troops and the standoff continued till August 28 after a diplomatic intervention.

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

Where's the Indian Army?

 

[LKJ86]

Where's the Indian Army?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Chinese military equips troops in Tibet with mobile howitzer ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Expect more wet f@rts for Indians...................

 

[Crystal-Clear]

bharat mata will use her Brahmose ......

Chinese military equips troops in Tibet with mobile howitzer ..

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Expect more wet f@rts for Indians...................

 

[Maarkhoor]

bharat mata will use her Brahmose ......

Which one 56 CC?

 

[Crystal-Clear]

Which one 56 CC?

most probably

 

[Zapper]

India and China have agreed to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution to the boundary question through negotiations, the government informed Rajya Sabha on Thursday.

In a written response to a question in Rajya Sabha, Minister of State for External Affairs V Muraleedharan said China disputes the international boundary between India and China.

"Indian territory under the occupation of China in Jammu & Kashmir is approximately 38,000 sq. km. In addition, under the so-called China-Pakistan 'boundary agreement' signed between China and Pakistan on 2 March 1963, Pakistan illegally ceded 5,180 sq. km of Indian territory in Azad Kashmir to China," the minister said.



India and China have each appointed a Special Representative to explore the framework for a boundary settlement from the political perspective of the overall bilateral relationship, he said.

The two sides have agreed to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable solution to the boundary question through dialogue and negotiations, he said

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-government/articleshow/69976852.cms?from=mdr

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Simple solution: India relinquishes its claim on Aksai Chin, and China relinquishes its claim on Arunachal Pradesh.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Simple solution: India relinquishes its claim on Aksai Chin, and China relinquishes its claim on Arunachal Pradesh.

If i am not wrong PRC took Aksai Chin in war while AP is with Bharat since start.

 

[xyx007]

They may come to some agreement , but questions will be how it is possible when uncle SAM using India against China. This is Modi who is appointed as a regional policemen by uncle Sam in Indian ocean and allowing US to monitoring together all chinese trades in South China Sea , Indian ocean and Gulf ocean. Interesting Geo politics scenario are going to build up in future