Recent Sino-Indian border conflict

[Han Patriot]

India and China are free to do what they want in their territories.
India in Arunachal and China in Chumbi outside Doklam.

You need to learn some geography, does that plateau look like a valley to you?

 

[cirr]

@Chinese-Dragon @sinait @Dungeness @Han Patriot

Good work guys. Keep it up.

 

[Han Patriot]

Normally when someones loses an argument, they will just try to act funny to save face. I understand the pain. A few months ago, you said this:

1) No construction in Doklam
2) China to retreat from Doklam
3) China musn't build roads in Doklam

I told you guys, what if we didn't build road to Gyomochen, but instead build helipads, roads all around the plateau, bunkers and towers? This happened exactly as I predicted. PLA did not advance previously because there were no defenses there. After we complete our defenses there, we will roll the road brigade again. You wanna bet? I say within this year they will finish the road and you will just protest as usual.

 

[GS Zhou]

Apparently the Donglong issue has turned to be a game that China likes most: building infrastructures.

The satellite images comparison in Donglang, one is an old satellite picture (month/year unknown); another is a most recent Dec. 2017 one.

Location 1 at Donglang (from China side, 1.5km to the confrontation point)

Location 2 at Donglang (China's side, 4.5km to the confrontation point)

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

India taught China a very valuable lesson in this stand-off...

China learnt that win-win Paradigm doesn't work with Indians....that when dealing with Indians only Might is Right!

That's why China has been working non-stop to fortify the area, consolidated its hold and build what was planned after all.

On the other side Indian media is still talking about Doklam.

And some people here on PDF say....China was humiliated.

Funny!

 

[$@rJen]

India taught China a very valuable lesson in this stand-off...

China learnt that win-win Paradigm doesn't work with Indians....that when dealing with Indians only Might is Right!

That's why China has been working non-stop to fortify the area, consolidated its hold and build what was planned after all.

On the other side Indian media is still talking about Doklam.

And some people here on PDF say....China was humiliated.

Funny!

Its funny that China is still not building these so called fortification at the contended location... So if they're building inside their territory what's our problem..... You're building a base very close to the border and the rest of the military Supplies has to Travel from a very long place... Do you've any idea what will happen to this base that's well with the range of mortors?? You fire a brahmos that'll take out the helipad... few artillery strikes will be a done story... Leave the Media, its free here for rating they'll say all the Shiets... unlike State Scripted media like Chinese ones... Which we saw the mentalities of this unsecured people.....

 

[ozranger]

India taught China a very valuable lesson in this stand-off...

China learnt that win-win Paradigm doesn't work with Indians....that when dealing with Indians only Might is Right!

That's why China has been working non-stop to fortify the area, consolidated its hold and build what was planned after all.

On the other side Indian media is still talking about Doklam.

And some people here on PDF say....China was humiliated.

Funny!

The win-win game works between China, other surrounding countries and the ruling class in India, only. The ruling class needs border tension to frighten the ruled classes to keep them under firm control and maintain an illusion of unity. That's why they are so addictive to provocation against other countries along their borders.

 

[Han Patriot]

Mr.9AM..... you have never retured to the same area where India stopped you.. you're only contructing some placenear by the contended site.. LoL... the tile is laughable... A single Brahmos will take the helipad out.... and its a trouble for a they say



No we didn't.... you built it somewhere north and now trying to claim that you build it there
Anyway you build a base here whats next how are you to transport the rest here during the crisis!!! you thought you can walk on the water fly over the mountain like chinese movies

Hi Sergeant, whats up? Heard you retreated after we gave jus some verbal warning. .

Here this pic is from Raj47 of ThePrint. The new construction which includes camps/bunkers and concrete tower are less than 100m from the 'point of conflict', which was where the face to face conflict happened, the road end point is the greyish line around 50m next to the border. There is a scale at the bttom of the picture, else you can use google earth to confirm.

On top is the big picture. The previous pic is the zoom in of the CHINA NEW POST (bottom left) which is next to Doka La. How are we transporting stuff? You see those lines? Those are upgraded grade 40 roads.

You see the word China on the top right, that's supposedly the Indian recognized border, see the scale at the bottom? We are 5-6km deep inside Doklam, covering the whole Doklam Plateau.

See top to understand where the flat piece of high elevation land is. We occupied that whole plateau, confirmed again by Raj47 or Colonel Vinayak Bhat(retd). Now, the only question is this, how long do you think the road postponement will last? We only agreed to postpone the road, we never agreed to STOP the road. . Before this the whole Doklam Plateau only had roads, no supporting defense structure whatsoever, In a span of a few months, China militarize the whole plateau. My bet is after the defenses are up and running, we will flank you guys and continue to build the road, this time, the stakes are so high, you won't dare to cross it. This was proven by the recent UAV downing, until today not a squeak even after we confiscated your 12milUS$ drone.

 

[Han Patriot]

Col. Vinayak based on satellite imagery evidence is claiming CHina already occupied the WHOLE DOKLAM PLATEAU upto 10m from Indian trenches/border.

The whole reason the Indian army went in with 2 bulldozers was to destroy roads to prevent DOKLAM PLATEAU getting occupied. The exact opposite happened, you traded a postponement for occupation. I had been trying so hard to explain to you Indians what's the difference between Doklam and Doklam Plateau, yet none of you wanted to analyze and listen, at least Col. Vinayak is not so blur.

 

[FlowerSummer]

Donglang/Doklam is china's sovereign territory, there is no such thing as "China occupies Doklam", it should be China garrison Donglang.

 

[Arsalan 345]

India is trying to make loc hot but in the process,they forget that China is friend of pakistan.recent articles related to pla shows that they will keep a close eye on India because now they believe that India is a real threat.this construction and military build up shows that the real intention of China is getting closer to Chicken neck.india have long said that they are ready for two front war.i don't see Pakistan fighting any war in present circumstances but limited war between China and India is a real possibility.

 

[Han Patriot]

I knew they would come back with force, but not this early!!! Looks like China is in need to prove something - not a good sign from the ambitious folks!!!!!!


For some folks it takes a generation to learn something new, while others can't learn anything new or unlearn what they have already learnt!!!! The Chinese have learnt within six months???!??

Bro, you are talking about a determined, focused and disciplined country, when we plan something, we make sure we get it done. Sometimes we fail, but most of the time we achieve it. Indians on the other hand are more reactive, less focused and not disciplined, no Chinese official will simply talk like their General. This just shows how disconnected the government is. In the end, we sometimes let these rats take a bite of cheese before we snap their necks. Brahma Chellaney describes it best, India won a battle in postponing the road, but lost the war by losing the whole plateau.

 

[Han Patriot]

Did you see the video I posted ,you seem to be the hoping the puppy will come down the stairs,they can build all they want in their land no one can stop them ,now bring some substance to discuss showing something the Chinese are building something where we stopped them,rest all like the puppy all growling and no substance.

Bhai, this is not a cute puppy affair. Wake up please. China had never occupied nor controlled that strategic region known as Doklam Plateau, all along it was just roads and occasional patrol. Now you have helipads, howtizers, bunkers, observation post, tank transporters and what not.

This is the plateau India was trying so hard to prevent China from occupying. This is the same plateau which can cut off your chicken neck.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

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Too bad for you that the satellite pictures show the reality, China has militarized the whole of Donglang plateau with permanent garrisons, helipads and multiple major roads.

Whereas India is nowhere to be seen.

What happened to India's "mutual defence treaty" with Bhutan? Did you write and sign it on a piece of toilet paper?

 

[Dungeness]

New visuals show PLA deployment is close to last year’s face-off point and hasn’t thinned down as Indian Army chief Gen. Rawat claimed last week.

New Delhi: Almost five months after India and China agreed to end their tense military face-off in the Himalayan region of Doklam, Beijing has almost completely taken control of the northern side of the disputed plateau, latest satellite images accessed by ThePrint show.

The new images show concrete posts, seven helipads, new trenches and several dozen armoured vehicles close to the point where the Indian Army and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops were locked in a 72-day confrontation last year.

The discovery comes days after Army chief General Bipin Rawat said that China continues to have troops in North Doklam but also added that the deployment had thinned down recently.

However, new satellite imagery accessed by ThePrint from 10 December 2017 shows that the Chinese side is now well entrenched in the area, with heavy road building machinery still present close to the stand-off point.

The face-off was triggered last June after Indian troops prevented Chinese workers backed by the PLA from completing a road that would have given them fast access to the south Doklam area. The Doklam plateau is contested between China and Bhutan, with India also having a strategic interest in keeping the area demilitarised.

These are first images that show the extent of the Chinese deployment at Doklam – and indicate a likely permanent PLA deployment, retaining the capability to construct the contested road at short notice.

Troop strength

The PLA has occupied almost every nook and corner, if not every inch, of the northern side of the plateau. Google Earth imagery clearly shows a large number of troops and equipment in semi-permanent structures under camouflage.

There is at least one complete mechanised regiment of possibly ZBL-09 IFVs or infantry fighting vehicles. There is also a strong possibility of another mechanised regiment under camouflage nets.

Two major parking areas have been observed for tank transporters of smaller size, suggesting their use for mechanised vehicle transport. There are, in total, two regiments’ worth of tank transporters on the Doklam plateau.

There are more than a hundred large troop/equipment-carrying vehicles, or what the military calls ‘B-vehicles’.

At least four large bulldozers and four tippers have also been observed. This indicates a clear intention of pursuing the construction of the road beyond the contested point.

A large number of troops seem to have been kept in tents under very good camouflage, but certainly not good enough for satellite imagery not to spot them.

The observation tower

There is a very tall observation tower, at least two storeys high, constructed with cement concrete less than 10 metres from the most forward trench occupied by the Indian Army.

The elevation profile of this tower suggests that it can observe the entire Gnathang Valley from Kupup to Zuluk. The entire movement of the Indian Army beyond Kupup can also be very clearly observed by the PLA.

New posts

A large number of fighting posts have been created on almost every hillock on North Doklam plateau. These posts consist of double-layered communication trenches prepared for all round defence.

Numerous areas have been dug out, possibly to accommodate troops under camouflage at a later date. One of the dug-out areas is quite large, suggesting that the PLA will construct an extremely tall observation tower very soon.

Helipads

At least seven new helipads have been constructed with permanent cemented round bases. The diameter of the helipads is 25 metres, suggesting that the largest helicopters in the PLA inventory will be able to land here.

Colonel Vinayak Bhat (retd) is a Military Intelligence veteran of the Indian Army with vast experience of satellite imagery analysis. He has worked as a Chinese interpreter and is a specialist on PLA and Pakistan’s armed forces. He tweets @rajfortyseven


https://theprint.in/2018/01/17/new-trouble-for-india-as-china-fully-occupies-doklam/

This development is a sign of friendship between two giant neighboring countries, it's a win-win scenario for both countries. Congratulations, to all Indians and Chinese members.

Chinese couldn't have established its permanent military presence at Doklam without India's initial action; and Indians couldn't have claimed a "victory" without China's help to leave the "EXACT" spot alone.