Rebuilding the army of Genghis Khan

[xenon54 out]

Please no Pasha.. "Me soo hoony... Me love you long time"..

Bruuuh.

Enjoying the last days of freedom my man..

You gonna married too? A moment of silence for another fallen brother.
Jk wish you booth a happy life.

Video Clip is of Mongolians not Turks, but even so; Turks are warriors you wouldnt want to fq with. I'm proud they lead the Muslim Ummah.

I know its from the Russian movie called ''Mongol'' still almost the same as Turkic warriors, they are our cousins after all.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Bruuuh.


You gonna married too? A moment of silence for another fallen brother.
Jk wish you booth a happy life.


I know its from the Russian movie called ''Mongol'' still almost the same as Turkic warriors, they are our cousins after all.

Thanks brother ... Last months of freedom..

My mother is more eager to sacrifice me than me & my finance ..

 

[atatwolf]

Huns, Turks, and Mongols are genetically different people. Mongols have dominantly C3 and N3 male DNAs, while Turks are believed to be J1 in origin, but heavily mixed with slavic-greek genes. Mongolian C3 or N3 is very rare in the Turkish gene pools. Genghis Khan either had a C3 or O3 from Chinese Han, irrelevant to Turkic.

You know that comparing haplogroups is far too simplistic to determine one's genetic history? It is a fact that majority of Turkic people share common ancestry. I took a DNA test not so long ago and I had Central-Asian Turkic, Siberian, and native Anatolian. Just look at somebody's appearance is what Nazi Germans did and some people with inferiority complex do today but it is not a good way to determine one's ancestry.

 

[zavis2003]

It exposed that you can find Jackazz everywhere around the world and abundant in Pakistan and Turkey.

Such useless fights lead to no where.

And believe me all ancient turks are died now and they exactly look like just a mixture of bones.same as those ancient Pakistaniz.

All living turks are different. The good point is that they are still call themselves Turks.

Same is the case with Pakistaniz.

Being Muslims, we are all same. Children of Adam A.S and Noah A.S

Don't Insult each other.

By the way! whores are present in both countries! Question is who follow there footprints :p

 

[KediKesenFare3]

You are insulting Pakistanis? I shit on your genetics. Go and play your games elsewhere. In my view you're not a Turk. You are just a fvcking troll.

 

[Butchcassidy]

For all turks out there

 

[rcrmj]

and the funny part is the real Genghis Khan's clan lives inside inner Mongilian of China, and these people perceive outer Mongolian as uncivilized branches which Genghis and his clan never thought high of them``

 

[Samandri]

Genghis Khan invaded Turkey? I think you need to brush up your history knowledge. In the contrary Genghis Khan was an unifier of Mongol and Turkic people. I'm not saying we never had inter-war but Genghis Khan period has nothing to do with this.

From what i have read, he killed and raped the old and true Turks in Central Asia and injected Mongolian genes into the small remnant of Turkic population. If Mongol is synonymous with Turk then why tribe of Usman Khan , the founder of Ottoman empire fled from Central Asia on Mongol invasion and settled in Anatolia.? Why newly established Turkic slave dynasty in India found Mongols to be very weird looking creatures with alien facial features and strange body type (large heads, long torso and short legs). The way Juzjani describes Mongols, you should read it. Turk Sultans of India didnt bond with Mongols on any level, they were greeted with sword for destroying their original homeland.

.. Meanwhile the central Asians nations remain pretty much Mongoloid.. Probably closer to their ancestors..

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Not exactly. Central Asians look Mongoloid because they got Mongolized after the Mongol conquest. So much population of central asia was massacred by the Mongols that not much of it was left enough to absorb and dilute the Mongol settlers. Why do you think facial features of Uzbeks, Turkmen etc vary from Mongoloid to Caucasoid?

If you think Subaktagin, Mahmud Ghaznavi, Aibak, Razia sultana, Balban etc were Mongoloid, then change their images in your mind to Caucasoid.

 

[atatwolf]

and the funny part is the real Genghis Khan's clan lives inside inner Mongilian of China, and these people perceive outer Mongolian as uncivilized branches which Genghis and his clan never thought high of them``

Do you have any sources for that? Also they are occupied by China. It doesn't say much.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

From what i have read, he killed and raped the old and true Turks in Central Asia and injected Mongolian genes into the small remnant of Turkic population. If Mongol is synonymous with Turk then why tribe of Usman Khan , the founder of Ottoman empire fled from Central Asia on Mongol invasion and settled in Anatolia.? Why newly established Turkic slave dynasty in India found Mongols to be very weird looking creatures with alien facial features and strange body type (large heads, long torso and short legs). The way Juzjani describes Mongols, you should read it. Turk Sultans of India didnt bond with Mongols on any level, they were greeted with sword for destroying their original homeland.


Not exactly. Central Asians look Mongoloid because they got Mongolized after the Mongol conquest. So much population of central asia was massacred by the Mongols that not much of it was left enough to absorb and dilute the Mongol settlers. Why do you think facial features of Uzbeks, Turkmen etc vary from Mongoloid to Caucasoid?

If you think Subaktagin, Mahmud Ghaznavi, Aibak, Razia sultana, Balban etc were Mongoloid, then change their images in your mind to Caucasoid.

Mongols massacred modern Afghanistan Aswell.. Yet not many afghans look mongloid apart from Uzbeks or Hazara (their descendants).

From what i have read, he killed and raped the old and true Turks in Central Asia and injected Mongolian genes into the small remnant of Turkic population. If Mongol is synonymous with Turk then why tribe of Usman Khan , the founder of Ottoman empire fled from Central Asia on Mongol invasion and settled in Anatolia.? Why newly established Turkic slave dynasty in India found Mongols to be very weird looking creatures with alien facial features and strange body type (large heads, long torso and short legs). The way Juzjani describes Mongols, you should read it. Turk Sultans of India didnt bond with Mongols on any level, they were greeted with sword for destroying their original homeland.


Not exactly. Central Asians look Mongoloid because they got Mongolized after the Mongol conquest. So much population of central asia was massacred by the Mongols that not much of it was left enough to absorb and dilute the Mongol settlers. Why do you think facial features of Uzbeks, Turkmen etc vary from Mongoloid to Caucasoid?

If you think Subaktagin, Mahmud Ghaznavi, Aibak, Razia sultana, Balban etc were Mongoloid, then change their images in your mind to Caucasoid.

Mongols did hire Turkic mercenaries ... It is also true that they massacres Turks .. Including the Ottomans who were displaced by them.

3000 kangli Turks who betrayed their leader n joined Mongols were beheaded... But many were "inducted" into their military Aswell... Similarly many conquered ppl/nations who pledged loyality were became part of their military.

 

[atatwolf]

Those fights were between different Turkic groups since Genghis Khans own army compromised largely out of Turkic people. The evidence for this is when the empire fell about almost all successor empires were Turkic or Turkified.

 

[Yazp]

Those fights were between different Turkic groups since Genghis Khans own army compromised largely out of Turkic people. The evidence for this is when the empire fell about almost all successor empires were Turkic or Turkified.

The Ilkhanate was not Turkic, It only had Turkic subjects
The Chugtai was not Turkic, It only had Turkic subjects
The Golden Horde was Mongol until the late 13th century when it became Turkified because of Nogai.
The Yuan was most definitely not Turkic, I doubt there were Turks there besides those Sinkiang fellows, that also in the Chugtai Khanate.

That's pretty much it. Only one of them got Turkified, alot of years after the empire fell.
Also, the Turkification was due to an internal civil war with the Nogai.
This is exactly the type of stuff which I was saying before.

Most of you will start calling me a Turk hater or something. I'm not against Turks, i'm only against Turks who try to steal our history. You have the Ottomans, Seljuks, Gokturks, Timurds. Don't take ours and brand it as "TURK HISTORY :d'


Plus, you should thank Temujin Khan for effectively cooling the Planet, by removing over 700 million tons of carbondioxide from the Earth and letting forests grow.
We Mongols were always an environmental friendly people.

 

[atatwolf]

The Ilkhanate was not Turkic, It only had Turkic subjects
The Chugtai was not Turkic, It only had Turkic subjects
The Golden Horde was Mongol until the late 13th century when it became Turkified because of Nogai.
The Yuan was most definitely not Turkic, I doubt there were Turks there besides those Sinkiang fellows, that also in the Chugtai Khanate.

That's pretty much it. Only one of them got Turkified, alot of years after the empire fell.
Also, the Turkification was due to an internal civil war with the Nogai.
This is exactly the type of stuff which I was saying before.

Most of you will start calling me a Turk hater or something. I'm not against Turks, i'm only against Turks who try to steal our history. You have the Ottomans, Seljuks, Gokturks, Timurds. Don't take ours and brand it as "TURK HISTORY :d'


Plus, you should thank Temujin Khan for effectively cooling the Planet, by removing over 700 million tons of carbondioxide from the Earth and letting forests grow.
We Mongols were always an environmental friendly people.

You are not even Mongol but Hazara. Sorry to be frank with you since you have been insulting us for the last 10 pages or so but you are a product of Turco-Mongol conquest. Hazara's don't even have a country ,who are we Turkic people/Mongols to claim Hazara history? What a fool. Also Chagatai (not Chugtai) is Turco-Mongol, official language was Turkic, not mongol. The same counts for Golden Hode, and the other ones you summed up. Before making any other comments can you acknowledge your wrong information? Otherwise it is just trolling.

This is what Beatrice Forbes Manz says in her book The Rise and Rule of Tamerlane:

The Turco-Mongol or Turko-Mongol tradition was a cultural synthesis that arose during the early 14th century among the ruling elites of Mongol Empire successor states such as the Chagatai Khanate and Golden Horde. These elites adopted Turkic languages and different religions such as Buddhism and Islam, while retaining Mongol political and legal institutions.[1] Many later Central Asian states drew heavily on this tradition, including the Timurid Empire, the Khanate of Kazan, the Nogai Khanate, the Crimean Khanate, and the Mughal Empire.[/The Turco-Mongol or Turko-Mongol tradition was a cultural synthesis that arose during the early 14th century among the ruling elites of Mongol Empire successor states such as the Chagatai Khanate and Golden Horde. These elites adopted Turkic languages and different religions such as Buddhism and Islam, while retaining Mongol political and legal institutions.[1] Many later Central Asian states drew heavily on this tradition, including the Timurid Empire, the Khanate of Kazan, the Nogai Khanate, the Crimean Khanate, and the Mughal Empire

 

[Yazp]

You are not even Mongol but Hazara. Sorry to be frank with you since you have been insulting us for the last 10 pages or so but you are a product of Turco-Mongol conquest. Hazara's don't even have a country ,who are we Turkic people/Mongols to claim Hazara history? What a fool. Also Chagatai (not Chugtai) is Turco-Mongol, official language was Turkic, not mongol. The same counts for Golden Hode, and the other ones you summed up. Before making any other comments can you acknowledge your wrong information? Otherwise it is just trolling.

This is what Beatrice Forbes Manz says in her book The Rise and Rule of Tamerlane:

What I am quoting is a joint research by
Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford, Department of Medical biology, Harbin Medical University, Wellcome Trust center for Human Genetics, Institute of genetics, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Biomedical and Genetic Engineering Labs, Islamabad, Institute of Immunology, Academy of Sciences, McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research, University of Cambridge and The Institute of Biotechnology, Mongolian Academy of Sciences.

Ghengeis Khan created the greatest land empire that has ever existed, stretching from the Pacific to Europe. In the process, a large number of his enemies, particularly the men, were killed. He himself is reported to have 4 wives and many concubines, and after his death his brothers and several of his sons and, subsequently, grandsons received apanages and ruled large sections of his empire, but his later descendants are less reliably documented/ The Major part of the Y chromosome shows male specefic inheritance and thus male lineages can be traced using Y chromosomal DNA variants. Furthermore the accumulation of variation at rapidly mutating loci can be used to identify the time and place of origin of a linage. We have identified a Y lineage which probably arose in Mongolia about 900 years ago and has spread with unprecedented speed over a vast geographical area to form about 9% of the comtempoary Y lineages in a large part of Central and Eastern Asia. We use genealogical evidence from the Hazaras to link this lineage to Ghengeis Khan.


In surveys of DNA variation in Central Asia, Pakistan and China, we typed 1985 Y chromosomes with 16-20 binary markers (mostly SNPs) and 10-16 microsatellites. The details of these studies will be reported elsewhere. As expected from worldwide and European analyses, Y variation showed strong geographical structure and, in Central Asia, some examples of population founder effects/bottlenecks like those seen in earlier work. However, we saw a novel genetic pattern that differed from known patterns in two respects:

1: While most haplotypes defined by so many markers are found in a single individual, even in large scale surveys, one haplotype identical at 17/17 binary loci and 15/15 microsatellites were found at high frequency. This haplotype included the derived T allele of RPS4Y and the alles 16,10, 16, 25, 10, 11, 13, 14, 12 ,11, 11, 11, 12, 8, 10, 10 for the loci DYS19, DYS389I, DYS389b, DYS390, DYS391, DYS392, DYS393, DYS388, DYS425, DYS426, DYS434, DYS435, DYS436, DYS437, DYS438 and DYS439.

It made up about 5% of the chromosomes in Central and Eastern Asia and together with closely related haplotypes linked by single mutational steps, about 9% of these populations.These lineages are collectively called the 'star haplotype'. Star haplotype chromosomes were found in 15 populations spread throughout a large geographical area spanning almost one-quater of the world, and thus do not result from an event specefic to any one population.




Molecular analyses provide insights into the most likely time and place of origin of this lineage. We used the BATWING program, incorporating the known mutation rates of Y microsatellites, to estimate the time that the variation of 16 microsatellites in 62 chromosomes from the star haplotype confidence limits around ~300 to ~3000 years, taking into accound the uncertainties with the mutation rates and population structure, and assuming that a generation time of 30 years. Within this lineage, variation is greates in Mongolia, where seven different haplotypes are found (ten if Mongolians living in China are included) thus Mongolia is the most likely place of origin.


The molecular data alone provides no direct information about the identity of the founder of the lineage. It is possible that the bearers of this chromosome had a selective advantage or were just lucky, but the history of the region suggests and alternative explanation: the chromosomes could have descended from Ghengeis Khan. This hypothesis could be tested by examining DNA from te remains of Ghengis Khan or his male-line relatives, or living descendants. Many Hazaras consider themselves to be male-line descendants of Genghis Khan, and a geneaoly documenting these links has been constructed from their history by Shaikh Nasir Ali Ansari.

The Y chromosomes of the Hazaras are indeed distinct from all other surrounding populations and most belong to just two groups of lineages, one of which is the star haplotype.


We therefore conclude that the Y chromosome of a single individual, probably Genghis Khan (Or strictly his father, since some chromosomes may derive from his brothers) has spread rapidly during historical times.

As well as providing a link between genetics and history, this conclusion demonstrates a novel aspect of human population structure and reveals how large-scale changes to patterns of genetic variation can occasionally occur very quickly. The observation that the current patters of genetic variation can occasionally occur very quickly."
I've even given my own DNA sample to these guys and helped them out in their research.

Out of the whole of Asia and the Middle east, the Hazaras are closest to the Mongols genetically.

In our language, we call the Chagatai the "Chugtai".

The Ilkhanate's official languages were Persian and Mongolian.
The Golden Horde's official languages were Mongolian and Kipchak. The Rulers used Mongolian, while the Locals, being Turkic used Kipchak.
The Chugtai Khanate used Middle Mongolian.
This is according to Wikipedia, a supposedly neutral source.

Apologies to everyone for taking so much of thread space on an offtopic discussion.
I'm out.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You are not even Mongol but Hazara. Sorry to be frank with you since you have been insulting us for the last 10 pages or so but you are a product of Turco-Mongol conquest. Hazara's don't even have a country ,who are we Turkic people/Mongols to claim Hazara history? What a fool. Also Chagatai (not Chugtai) is Turco-Mongol, official language was Turkic, not mongol. The same counts for Golden Hode, and the other ones you summed up. Before making any other comments can you acknowledge your wrong information? Otherwise it is just trolling.

This is what Beatrice Forbes Manz says in her book The Rise and Rule of Tamerlane:

Stupidity level : (WARNING) Very Fuckin High.