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Rebound To Russia: Amid Rafale Impasse, IAF To Buy 40 More Sukhois

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NEW DELHI, FEB. 10, 2016:
The Indian Air Force (IAF) has initiated the procurement of a fresh lot of 40 additional Su-30MKI air dominance fighters at an estimated $75 million apiece, reliable diplomatic sources disclosed to Arming India.

The procurement is being taken up as a follow-on order to the 222 Su-30MKI fighters already contracted to be made under transfer of technology at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)'s Nasik division.

Along with the initial 50 aircraft acquired in a flyaway condition from Russia in the late 1990s, the latest increment of 40 aircraft will take the total number of Su-30MKIs ordered for the IAF to 312.


This is a significant development running concurrently with the rapid headway in India-Russia talks on finalizing an agreement on an Indian commitment to the futuristic Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). Arming India had on Feb. 3, 2016 exclusively reported a $3.7 billion deal-in-the-works for India's contribution to the development costs of the FGFA, and a further commitment to buy a minimum of 60 of these fighters.

The rebound to Russia takes places amidst a continuing impasse in Indo-French price negotiations for the import of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft for the IAF.

Observers also see these developments as a consequence of a determined rearguard action by Russia to protect its turf and reinforce its pre-eminence in the Indian defense aerospace market. Russia's traditional dominance in the Indian market has sought to have been challenged by the U.S., Israel and Europe in the last decade-and-a-half.

The reliance on the Sukhois extends the life of the Su-30MKI assembly line in Nasik by another decade. An estimated 175 of the 222 Su-30 MKIs contracted to be assembled in India are reported to have already been rolled out. The roll-out rate is between 10 and 12 aircraft a year. Post the Sukhois, the Russian complex at HAL will be kept alive with the licensed manufacture of the FGFA.

Interestingly, India and Russia are set to sign a deal for faster delivery of Sukhoi spares for the IAF. The Economic Times had reported in early December 2015, quoting Sukhoi Managing Director Valery V. Chishchevoy, that an Indian delegation was to deliberate on the spares supply deal later that month and the contract for the same would be signed at the earliest.

The Sukhoi resurgence and the FGFA inroads will directly impact on the market for the Rafale in India, keen observers of defense trade reckon. Although the initial negotiations are for only 36 Rafale jets for the IAF, France is already pursuing a detailed roadmap to notch up sales even beyond the original Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) number of 126 and also pitch the Rafale for the Indian Navy, sources inform Arming India. The Russian jets, clearly, stand in the way of these plans.

What is hard for a resource-strapped Indian defense establishment to ignore is that the Rafale is, reportedly, two-and-a-half times more expensive than the Rafale. The cost of 40 follow-on Sukhois to the Indian exchequer is about $3 billion, as against the reported $7 billion to $8 billion for the 36 Rafales.

However, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha has made it clear on more than a couple of occasions that Sukhois aren't a replacement for the MMRCA, under which Rafale is the chosen one.

Mian ki Daud Masjid tak!!!!! i have said earlier it really difficult to replace russia from delhi. Well any way we need numbers now, regardless of which ac TEJAS shudn't be derail from mainstream.

BTW i like SU30MKI the most , i dont know its like first love:wub: when i saw it for the 1st time(in real eyes) on my roof top in pune some 5 yrs back.
 
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However, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha has made it clear on more than a couple of occasions that Sukhois aren't a replacement for the MMRCA, under which Rafale is the chosen one.

Mian ki Daud Masjid tak!!!!! i have said earlier it really difficult to replace russia from delhi. Well any way we need numbers now, regardless of which ac TEJAS shudn't be derail from mainstream.

BTW i like SU30MKI the most , i dont know its like first love:wub: when i saw it for the 1st time(in real eyes) from my roof top in pune some 5 yrs back.

It makes more sense to go for the MKIs.

But this is already in the kitty. The gorss order for MKIs was already 272.

So this will be the final batch (except the replacements for the crashed ones).

What is hard for a resource-strapped Indian defense establishment to ignore is that the Rafale is, reportedly, two-and-a-half times more expensive than the Rafale. The cost of 40 follow-on Sukhois to the Indian exchequer is about $3 billion, as against the reported $7 billion to $8 billion for the 36 Rafales.

Rafale most likely will go down if this continues. Getting more MKIs is easier for the same amount, but we will need to put AESAs in them.
 
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i dont know its like first love:wub: when i saw it for the 1st time(in real eyes) from my roof top in pune some 5 yrs back.

Who doesnt like the russian girls, these beauties make any man go High
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Along with the initial 50 aircraft acquired in a flyaway condition from Russia in the late 1990s, the latest increment of 40 aircraft will take the total number of Su-30MKIs ordered for the IAF to 312.

BTW i like SU30MKI the most , i dont know its like first love:wub: when i saw it for the 1st time(in real eyes) on my roof top in pune some 5 yrs back.

It means this deal is over and above the 270 aircrafts already signed for, so rafale deal might be restricted to 54-60 aircrafts ? interesting to watch

@Abingdonboy
 
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@Abingdonboy Future of Rafale is not looking good. I'd still pitch for F-18 SH amid this cloud of confusion.

Is there a specific reason behind F-18, or is it because of that american origin. Cost couldn't be the reason bcoz L2 is eurofighter in that mmrca tender, and it holds more ground if Rafael deal fails. Until some extra ordinary diplomatic pressure by US for a FMS route, i dont think this will go through.

Still i am thinking Rafael will be there with IAF. Arming India may be a new russian sympathizer in the town.
 
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:yahoo:

a big and much needed shot in the arm for Indo - Russian ties at a time when it looks liked things were rapidly heading south.
 
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It makes more sense to go for the MKIs.

But this is already in the kitty. The gorss order for MKIs was already 272.

So this will be the final batch (except the replacements for the crashed ones).



Rafale most likely will go down if this continues. Getting more MKIs is easier for the same amount, but we will need to put AESAs in them.

No this is on top of the 272, taking the total to 312.
 
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Is there a specific reason behind F-18, or is it because of that american origin. Cost couldn't be the reason bcoz L2 is eurofighter in that mmrca tender, and it holds more ground if Rafael deal fails. Until some extra ordinary diplomatic pressure by US for a FMS route, i dont think this will go through.

Still i am thinking Rafael will be there with IAF. Arming India may be a new russian sympathizer in the town.

F-18 SH is a bomb truck, with unmatched precision strike capability, and not to forget the strategic advantage of Growlers in any SEAD missions.
 
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Good news that is......40 more MKIs are a good option as they are being produced locally...though I hope they start upgrading MKIs with super sukhoi programme too asap.
 
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Good development . More fighters More Power ! But its better only if we get to make 100% Sukoi parts in India as promised by our Russian friends.

But wonder how many of you surprised to know about the price tag 70+ mil a pop ... I was expecting it to be around 50-55 mil

Good news that is......40 more MKIs are a good option as they are being produced locally...though I hope they start upgrading MKIs with super sukhoi programme too asap.
I saw this coming but thought we could get upgraded version of Su35 or in Super standard
 
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F-18 SH is a bomb truck, with unmatched precision strike capability, and not to forget the strategic advantage of Growlers in any SEAD missions.

I know f-18 SH r good, specially for their deep strike ability, but capability, features hardly matters any more right now. Lobby, diplomacy gonna work for you, Boeing and American have to work very hard to replace russia and france , to sell a fighter to india which they were not able to do, since last 65 yrs. But not impossible.

IMO IAF should look into the in house options for any future AC procurement, after FGFA, and it is the buzz around the political leadership and civil society in India.
 
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F-18 SH is a bomb truck, with unmatched precision strike capability, and not to forget the strategic advantage of Growlers in any SEAD missions.
Man US will never ever sell growler to other nations. As I said earlier along with b2spirit growler also not for export.

It's sad that we didn't order su34, IAF needs better strike capabilities (both in terms of range &precision). We can rule the sky with the existing su30mki but can't do much air to ground mission with this bird I think.
 
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