Reality of Kashmir today June 2016 (Truth is Bitter)

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@GURU DUTT @Irfan Baloch @Horus @Windjammer @nair @WebMaster

 

[Didact]

I believe posters such as the OP do not understand or appreciate or perhaps are unwilling to acknowledge the Indian mindset towards Kashmir. Even if every single Kashmiri Sunni muslim (the only demographic group to have sizeable population with pro-separatist sentiments) were to come out on the streets with guns and Pakistani flags (Or Kashmiri or ISIS flags) and chant India go back, We will hold it, no matter what the cost, no matter how heavy the losses.

It is morally, ethically and strategically imperative for us that we control and administer Kashmir; the survival of every single ethnicity, sect excluding the one particular group is contingent on the Indian establishment being able to provide and project security and safety of life and afford freedom to the people to follow their customs and traditions without threat of violence.

The day India pulls out of Kashmir, the roads will turn into rivers of blood. As demonstrated by the events of the early 1990s, the minority groups will be given no quarter, shown no mercy. They will be lynched in the streets, murdered in their homes. The day we pull back, these minorities will become sub-human, fit to be exterminated, to the ascendant masters. Kashmir will become the valley of roses, the valley of blood roses.

The idea of India, the idea of humanity, the idea of opposing tyranny, the absolute necessity of preventing the rise of a genocidal regime all necessitate without exception, the absolute necessity that the Indian government fight on, no matter ho difficult the path, no matter the sacrifices needed, no matter how hostile the people.

India will do whatever it takes to protect Kashmir. We will destroy it, in order to protect it. Humanity, and posterity will never forgive us if we do not hold firm.

 

[Rank]

I believe posters such as the OP do not understand or appreciate or perhaps are unwilling to acknowledge the Indian mindset towards Kashmir. Even if every single Kashmiri Sunni muslim (the only demographic group to have sizeable population with pro-separatist sentiments) were to come out on the streets with guns and Pakistani flags (Or Kashmiri or ISIS flags) and chant India go back, We will hold it, no matter what the cost, no matter how heavy the losses.

It is morally, ethically and strategically imperative for us that we control and administer Kashmir; the survival of every single ethnicity, sect excluding the one particular group is contingent on the Indian establishment being able to provide and project security and safety of life and afford freedom to the people to follow their customs and traditions without threat of violence.

The day India pulls out of Kashmir, the roads will turn into rivers of blood. As demonstrated by the events of the early 1990s, the minority groups will be given no quarter, shown no mercy. They will be lynched in the streets, murdered in their homes. The day we pull back, these minorities will become sub-human, fit to be exterminated, to the ascendant masters. Kashmir will become the valley of roses, the valley of blood roses.

The idea of India, the idea of humanity, the idea of opposing tyranny, the absolute necessity of preventing the rise of a genocidal regime all necessitate without exception, the absolute necessity that the Indian government fight on, no matter ho difficult the path, no matter the sacrifices needed, no matter how hostile the people.

India will do whatever it takes to protect Kashmir. We will destroy it, in order to protect it. Humanity, and posterity will never forgive us if we do not hold firm.

Truth is bitter.... rest of all are assumptions and statements without any ground realities... the reality is what... a guy faced in kashmir not only him but another person talking the same what he had faced in 2014/2015 in fact since 1947... you hold Kashmir "By Force" without the will of the land people simple accept it or living in denial mode.This all Minority bullshits world listen from you guys since ages but the reality is a guy faced same behavior (which you call so called minority) across the Kashmir tour from A - Z.

 

[Tipu7]

I believe posters such as the OP do not understand or appreciate or perhaps are unwilling to acknowledge the Indian mindset towards Kashmir. Even if every single Kashmiri Sunni muslim (the only demographic group to have sizeable population with pro-separatist sentiments) were to come out on the streets with guns and Pakistani flags (Or Kashmiri or ISIS flags) and chant India go back, We will hold it, no matter what the cost, no matter how heavy the losses.

It is morally, ethically and strategically imperative for us that we control and administer Kashmir; the survival of every single ethnicity, sect excluding the one particular group is contingent on the Indian establishment being able to provide and project security and safety of life and afford freedom to the people to follow their customs and traditions without threat of violence.

The day India pulls out of Kashmir, the roads will turn into rivers of blood. As demonstrated by the events of the early 1990s, the minority groups will be given no quarter, shown no mercy. They will be lynched in the streets, murdered in their homes. The day we pull back, these minorities will become sub-human, fit to be exterminated, to the ascendant masters. Kashmir will become the valley of roses, the valley of blood roses.

The idea of India, the idea of humanity, the idea of opposing tyranny, the absolute necessity of preventing the rise of a genocidal regime all necessitate without exception, the absolute necessity that the Indian government fight on, no matter ho difficult the path, no matter the sacrifices needed, no matter how hostile the people.

India will do whatever it takes to protect Kashmir. We will destroy it, in order to protect it. Humanity, and posterity will never forgive us if we do not hold firm.

Is it script of new Bollywood movie?

 

[livingdead]

I wish some pakistanis get visa and actually travel to kashmir...
nobody is denying sunni majority dont want to be with India.. that bit is known to most Indians.. what is different is, its quite safe now... I was there in 2009 when terrorism was down and tourists were back although not in big numbers... and nobody can ever accuse me of being brave

 

[khanmubashir]

I believe posters such as the OP do not understand or appreciate or perhaps are unwilling to acknowledge the Indian mindset towards Kashmir. Even if every single Kashmiri Sunni muslim (the only demographic group to have sizeable population with pro-separatist sentiments) were to come out on the streets with guns and Pakistani flags (Or Kashmiri or ISIS flags) and chant India go back, We will hold it, no matter what the cost, no matter how heavy the losses.

It is morally, ethically and strategically imperative for us that we control and administer Kashmir; the survival of every single ethnicity, sect excluding the one particular group is contingent on the Indian establishment being able to provide and project security and safety of life and afford freedom to the people to follow their customs and traditions without threat of violence.

The day India pulls out of Kashmir, the roads will turn into rivers of blood. As demonstrated by the events of the early 1990s, the minority groups will be given no quarter, shown no mercy. They will be lynched in the streets, murdered in their homes. The day we pull back, these minorities will become sub-human, fit to be exterminated, to the ascendant masters. Kashmir will become the valley of roses, the valley of blood roses.

The idea of India, the idea of humanity, the idea of opposing tyranny, the absolute necessity of preventing the rise of a genocidal regime all necessitate without exception, the absolute necessity that the Indian government fight on, no matter ho difficult the path, no matter the sacrifices needed, no matter how hostile the people.

India will do whatever it takes to protect Kashmir. We will destroy it, in order to protect it. Humanity, and posterity will never forgive us if we do not hold firm.

India will do whatever it takes to protect Kashmir. We will destroy it, in order to protect it. Humanity, and posterity will never forgive us if we do not hold firm.

so u will destroy kashmir in order to protect it u sound like the mad king from game of thrones
fyi india leaving will make kashmir a true heaven and its just lies that if india goes kashmiri muslim majority will kill minorities it didn't happen in pak minorities still exist over all paK minorities have far less violence in west pak then indian minorities

 

[SarthakGanguly]

It is morally, ethically and strategically imperative for us that we control and administer Kashmir; the survival of every single ethnicity, sect excluding the one particular group is contingent on the Indian establishment being able to provide and project security and safety of life and afford freedom to the people to follow their customs and traditions without threat of violence.

Very well written.

But there are other Muslim majority areas in the country where the Indian national flag is frowned upon. This is a mentality. Based on faith.

nobody is denying sunni majority dont want to be with India

Sunnis nowhere want to be with India. Except some liberal urban elites and uneducated non Masjid going villagers.

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@GURU DUTT @Irfan Baloch @Horus @Windjammer @nair @WebMaster

Btw. I have done this and with a pagdi as well. Nobody dared to throw a stone. But they did use slangs. Sikhs are feared. Hindus - not so much.

 

[Maj.Osmani]

Very well written.

But there are other Muslim majority areas in the country where the Indian national flag is frowned upon. This is a mentality. Based on faith.

For example Gujarat? Mumbai? or Hyderabad?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_India

 

[SarthakGanguly]

For example Gujarat? Mumbai? or Hyderabad?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_India

The reasons/justifications/excuses can be any.

The Afghan origin guy in Orlando had his justification. What I say is what I experienced.

 

[Killswitch]

People can throw stones all they want. The reality on the ground wont change due to stones.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I wish some pakistanis get visa and actually travel to kashmir...
nobody is denying sunni majority dont want to be with India.. that bit is known to most Indians.. what is different is, its quite safe now... I was there in 2009 when terrorism was down and tourists were back although not in big numbers... and nobody can ever accuse me of being brave

My cousin has been there; he reported seeing more Pakistani flags there than in Pakistan itself.

 

[war&peace]

Kashmir was never part of India. Indian Occupation Forces have been carrying out genocide of Kashmiri people deliberately. People of Kashmir will never accept the Indian occupation. Their hearts beat in sync with Pakistani people. You can kill them but never win their hearts. Pakistan need to re-energize and support Kashmiri freedom fighters through every possible way as this a disputed area and UN has failed to fullfil its pledge on plebiscite.

Yaran-e-Jahan kehtay hain Kashmir hai jannat
Jannnat kisi kafir ko mili hai na milay gi​

Translation

People of the world say that the valley of Kashmir is a heaven
No infidel ever got heaven, neither in the past nor in the future​

 

[zebra7]

My cousin has been there; he reported seeing more Pakistani flags there than in Pakistan itself.

Where ??

I have spend half of life there, and mind you Srinagar Valley is not the whole Kashmir, and the the real propaganda feed into their minds would be soon be hosh bag.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I believe posters such as the OP do not understand or appreciate or perhaps are unwilling to acknowledge the Indian mindset towards Kashmir. Even if every single Kashmiri Sunni muslim (the only demographic group to have sizeable population with pro-separatist sentiments) were to come out on the streets with guns and Pakistani flags (Or Kashmiri or ISIS flags) and chant India go back, We will hold it, no matter what the cost, no matter how heavy the losses.

It is morally, ethically and strategically imperative for us that we control and administer Kashmir; the survival of every single ethnicity, sect excluding the one particular group is contingent on the Indian establishment being able to provide and project security and safety of life and afford freedom to the people to follow their customs and traditions without threat of violence.

The day India pulls out of Kashmir, the roads will turn into rivers of blood. As demonstrated by the events of the early 1990s, the minority groups will be given no quarter, shown no mercy. They will be lynched in the streets, murdered in their homes. The day we pull back, these minorities will become sub-human, fit to be exterminated, to the ascendant masters. Kashmir will become the valley of roses, the valley of blood roses.

The idea of India, the idea of humanity, the idea of opposing tyranny, the absolute necessity of preventing the rise of a genocidal regime all necessitate without exception, the absolute necessity that the Indian government fight on, no matter ho difficult the path, no matter the sacrifices needed, no matter how hostile the people.

India will do whatever it takes to protect Kashmir. We will destroy it, in order to protect it. Humanity, and posterity will never forgive us if we do not hold firm.

This is the core of the issue, not territory, not people, but the foundations of our states in south Asia. Accepting majority rule and the victimisation of minorities simply because they are minorities is completely inimical to the idea of India, and will only create a patchwork of majority community state-lets.

India will do whatever it takes to protect Kashmir. We will destroy it, in order to protect it. Humanity, and posterity will never forgive us if we do not hold firm.

so u will destroy kashmir in order to protect it u sound like the mad king from game of thrones
fyi india leaving will make kashmir a true heaven and its just lies that if india goes kashmiri muslim majority will kill minorities it didn't happen in pak minorities still exist over all paK minorities have far less violence in west pak then indian minorities

You have exterminated your minorities everywhere, in West Pakistan as it was, before and after 1971, in East Pakistan before 1971, without any obstruction. On the other hand, our minorities have grown from strength to strength. That itself shows why you shouldn't be left free to do what pleases you especially to do what pleases you when there is a minority present.

 

[khanmubashir]

This is the core of the issue, not territory, not people, but the foundations of our states in south Asia. Accepting majority rule and the victimisation of minorities simply because they are minorities is completely inimical to the idea of India, and will only create a patchwork of majority community state-lets.



You have exterminated your minorities everywhere, in West Pakistan as it was, before and after 1971, in East Pakistan before 1971, without any obstruction. On the other hand, our minorities have grown from strength to strength. That itself shows why you shouldn't be left free to do what pleases you especially to do what pleases you when there is a minority present.

stop lying where was babery mosque sikh genocide after indra assassination and golden temple which caused her assassination rape and burning alive of christian missionaries 2000+ rape and killing of ,muslims in gujrat recent beaten to death of muslim for alleged beef eating anti minority laws like beef ban indian leaders calling for eradication of non hindus etc indian big riots against minorities on average last for many days and deaths go from 100s to 1000s while in pak they r much rare and r controlled in hrs to a day or 2 and death count is few to a dozen some in 71 the state was trapped in yr instigated civil war and mukti bahni is also to be as much blame read yr sharmila bose