Real Dhaka Street

[Pakistansdefender]

Are we to find good or bad in the above photos .What are we spoose to say .
All I can see is a congested road with dirty smog filled sky. Typically found in India, paikistan, Bangladesh and some African countries..

 

[bluesky]

Dhaka is placed in moderate risk earthquake zone. That's because of the large population in Dhaka. Also usually major damage in earthquake is caused by other elements such as tsunami or fire or worse nuclear disaster.

However, as per your question, a 7.5 richter scale earthquake in Dhaka will pretty much destroy the whole city with it's infrastructures. An earthquake like this will likely do the same to pretty much every major city. If it happens in Tokyo, then may some very well built infrastructures might survive but most will not. In Dhaka hardly anything will survive. Lets pray such an earthquake never occurs in Bangladesh or in any other country.

Please note below what wiki says about Hanshin Earthquake. It is a self-exemplary. In the case of BD, there is a great fault line that started at the foot of Himalaya and extends up to Thailand. I have read somewhere that its depth is only about 12 km below the surface. Even though it does not pass through BD but a more than average strong earthquake on this fault line will jolt Dhaka, too, even if it is less than 7.5 Richter.

The fault line is even shallower than that of Hanshin. It may be quite dangerous only because the building structures have not been designed to withstand the lateral (horizontal) force to be created by such an earthquake.

About design, most non-engineers do not really understand what it is. I have a few Japanese friends who are engineers and I have learned that design may relate to structural analysis against imposed loads, vertical and lateral. A vertical load may be the self-weight of a structure, and a lateral load may be a force induced by a strong wind or earthquake.

The wind velocity is converted by certain formulae to Force in, say, tons/m2. Earthquake is also converted to Force by multiplying the static structure load (ton) with a Factor, say, 0.02. So, an earthquake force on a building with a static load of 1000 ton will create a force of (1000 x 0.02) = 20 ton lateral. The structural system involving piles, foundations, columns, and beams are designed by calculation to withstand the forces that try to destroy the structure.

However, in the case of BD, I have quite a doubt if a proper design or soil investigation procedure is followed before the construction. It is because of the central govt has so far failed to codify the design standards and the local govt engineers either take bribes or follow the order of the Mayor to overlook things.

As a result of this evil practice, the buildings may have not been built to withstand the force of a mild earthquake.

"The Great Hanshin earthquake belonged to a third type, called an "inland shallow earthquake".[7] Earthquakes of this type occur along active faults. Even at lower magnitudes, they can be very destructive because they often occur near populated areas and because their hypocenters are located less than 20 km below the surface".

 

[GeraltofRivia]

There he goes again speaking for everyone. @GeraltofRivia @Two @dy1022 @Jlaw @Chinese-Dragon

At least my gripe stops at just Chinese govt (and a few trolls here) regarding a few things......but this guy...whole different level.

Apparently most of you dont care about cleanliness he says....and he claims to have been to China too.



Its ok billu has explained it all with the same false equivalency (b-b-b-b-but everyone else does the same, i gotta do it too to keep up!...however bad it is).

He is selective in presenting the image.....but strangely broad when it comes to the intersectional identity stereotype of just about anyone.

Strange thing that.

Well, cleanliness is not only a costumic issue but a hygiene one. I am sure Chinese traders would rather be a nice and tidy place.

 

[Nilgiri]

It is obviously not going to be pretty. Specially in Dhaka due to the density of high rises it will be disastrous. And if it happens during a flood, then the damage will be too much. To be honest an earthquake like this will impact every city. Even Tokyo or NY will take huge damage in such an earthquake. You remember 2011 earthquake in Japan? The magnitude was 9.0 in Richter scale. But the epicenter was in Pacific ocean and quite far from Japan. It caused 16,000 death. While 120k buildings totally collapsed and 400k buildings half collapsed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Tōhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami

In Hanshin earthquake which was 6.9 in richter scale and epicenter was in Kobe. 400k buildings were damaged and 22% buildings in Kobe were unusable. That was in 1995, but I do not think BD's structures are any better than Japanese structures of 1995. In 2008, Sichuan earthquake in China which was of 8.0 richter scaledestroyed 80% buildings of that province. And also 68k people lost their lives. So, you can understand the damage? It will be as deadly as an atom bomb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hanshin_earthquake
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake

But an earthquake of this scale is unlikely in Dhaka. At least the epicenter of such earthquake should not be near Dhaka. An Earthquake of 7.5 magnitude from anywhere in Bangladesh can be felt from Dhaka. In 2015, an earthquake in Nepal affected Dhaka. It was of 7.8-8.1 richter scale. Epicenter was in Kathmundu. 9k people died. From which 8.8k in Nepal, 78 in India, 25 in China and 4 in BD. One building in BD was partially damaged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2015_Nepal_earthquake

The earthquake threats in BD mostly comes from India or Nepal. Indian Assam, and Nepal have tons of fault lines. Sylhet and Chittagong have some fault lines that can cause high magnitude earthquakes. Richter scale magnitude increases in logarithmic scale. So the energy required to cause a 8.0 magnitude is much much higher than the energy required to cause an earthquake of 7.0. Thus an earthquake of 8.0 if much deadlier than that of 7.0. Also other than the richter scale, the damage also depends on the time period of the first shock and the after shocks. Most of the damage in Kobe earthquake was a result of the aftershocks which were around 4.5-6.2 richter scale. However the further you are away from the epicenter the less the damage.

Now take a look at the map.

The danger of Dhaka comes from Sylhet. Dauki fault line near Sylhet and Indian Shiliguri can cause an earthquake up to 7.3 scale. It will cause damage to Dhaka The bigger threat comes from Indian Assam. You can see there is a large circle in Indian border that can cause an earthquake of greater than 8 richter scale. This one can cause huge damage to Sylhet and will also impact Dhaka but not by that much. So, you can see the possibility of a 7.5 magnitude of earthquake hitting near Dhaka is rather low. However earthquake from other areas impacting Dhaka is quite high.

Dhaka is placed in moderate risk earthquake zone. That's because of the large population in Dhaka. Also usually major damage in earthquake is caused by other elements such as tsunami or fire or worse nuclear disaster.

However, as per your question, a 7.5 richter scale earthquake in Dhaka will pretty much destroy the whole city with it's infrastructures. An earthquake like this will likely do the same to pretty much every major city. If it happens in Tokyo, then may some very well built infrastructures might survive but most will not. In Dhaka hardly anything will survive. Lets pray such an earthquake never occurs in Bangladesh or in any other country.

Didn't even know the earthquake zone situation present in the area. Dayum! Yes let us hope and pray nothing every happens. BD has got its plate full as it is with problems to deal with.

Well, cleanliness is not only a costumic issue but a hygiene one. I am sure Chinese traders would rather be a nice and tidy place.

I generally have found Chinese like to be in as well disciplined area as possible....confucian norms and ethic etc. So cleanliness is one part of it...but larger order is valued as the greater thing....ever more so after just one slip up during Qing dynasty and the result that followed that hurt china so bad sadly.

I remember the Chinese railway foreman in some African country telling the Congolese guy (I think)....the Belgians built you guys a great railway and you have ruined it! It was pretty poignant thing....some typical western liberals took it as something racist though, which was pretty stupid imo... (this is also something lot of chinese trolls dont get about me...they think I am fully aligned with Western elite etc just because I criticize some stuff about China, esp govt... too).

It was some documentary I watched about Chinese investment in African logistics infra iirc. To me it explains why I see Chinese villages looking lot better generally than what I see in South Asia for example....even when the overall wealth/income was more or less similar.

@Dungeness See man, I am not such sinophobe....relax dude.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Didn't even know the earthquake zone situation present in the area. Dayum! Yes let us hope and pray nothing every happens. BD has got its plate full as it is with problems to deal with.



I generally have found Chinese like to be in as well disciplined area as possible....confucian norms and ethic etc. So cleanliness is one part of it...but larger order is valued as the greater thing....ever more so after just one slip up during Qing dynasty and the result that followed that hurt china so bad sadly.

I remember the Chinese railway foreman in some African country telling the Congolese guy (I think)....the Belgians built you guys a great railway and you have ruined it! It was pretty poignant thing....some typical western liberals took it as something racist though, which was pretty stupid imo... (this is also something lot of chinese trolls dont get about me...they think I am fully aligned with Western elite etc just because I criticize some stuff about China, esp govt... too).

It was some documentary I watched about Chinese investment in African logistics infra iirc. To me it explains why I see Chinese villages looking lot better generally than what I see in South Asia for example....even when the overall wealth/income was more or less similar.

@Dungeness See man, I am not such sinophobe....relax dude.

Most of your suggestions are good. Thank you.

I want to know this data, please.

How many South Asian rural family owns a car? how many TV, air conditioning, washing machine, solar energy?
24 hours supply of tap water and electricity?

 

[Nilgiri]

Most of your suggestions are good. Thank you.

I want to know this data, please.

How many South Asian rural family owns a car? how many TV, air conditioning, washing machine, solar energy?
24 hours supply of tap water and electricity?

I'll look this up for most latest figures (for India, I can't speak for the other countries) and I will get back to you on it. It has been a while for me anyway.

 

[Mage]

How many South Asian rural family owns a car?

Not many rural family own a car in Bangladesh. Heck even majority of the upper middle class urban families do not have a car. BD govt puts 500% tax on car imports. So, a $10k car would cost $60k in BD after paying taxes.

 

[bluesky]

I'll look this up for most latest figures (for India, I can't speak for the other countries) and I will get back to you on it. It has been a while for me anyway.

Instead of answering the questions yourself how about asking @UKBengali to do so. He will prove that BD has already graduated from LDC and will become soon a developed country even before China. So, logically, he would say, if China has these amenities, BD also has these amenities more in number. He is just like a Hasina Cabinet minister.

 

[Nilgiri]

Instead of answering the questions yourself how about asking @UKBengali to do so. He will prove that BD has already graduated from LDC and will become soon a developed country even before China. So, logically, he would say, if China has these amenities, BD also has these amenities more in number. He is just like a Hasina Cabinet minister.

I would, but only when he has finished his ari/katti with you coz he is a little childish girl basically. Its no fun leaving people out of discussions you know.

 

[bluesky]

Not many rural family own a car in Bangladesh. Heck even majority of the upper middle class urban families do not have a car. BD govt puts 500% tax on car imports. So, a $10k car would cost $60k in BD after paying taxes.

The car registration data reached an all-time high of 420,398 Unit in 2017 and it was 416,410 in 2016, a jump of mere 4000 units in one year. The population exceeds 160 million and motor vehicles number only 420,398 units. So, every 380 persons own 1 car. Not bad for a poor country.

By the way, as far as I know, the tax for a 1300 cc car is 150% and the Sales tax is 20%. In total it is 100%+(100+150)x20% = 200%. Please correct me if I am wrong. It is not possible to enlarge the car import market because the roads are insufficient to handle a larger number. I can see the figure to remain static for at least a decade as it has been for the last few long decades.

@UKBengali

 

[Mage]

By the way, as far as I know, the tax for a 1300 cc car is 150% and the Sales tax is 20%. In total it is 100%+(100+150)x20% = 200%. Please correct me if I am wrong. It is not possible to enlarge the car import market because the roads are insufficient to handle a larger number. I can see the figure to remain static for at least a decade as it has been for the last few long decades.

@UKBengali

I'm not sure. I read this.

How are the prices of cars in Bangladesh?

We do not make cars, we import all of them. So, government can put tax on those easily. Normally, the import VAT is 15%, 25% import duty on 1.5L engine and ,100% import duty fee up to 2L, then 200% and beyond depending onsize of engine. Additional taxes apply: Supplementary Duty (SD) (100% CIFD), Regulatory Duty (RD) (4% (CIFD + Supplementary Duty (SD))), AIT(Advance Income Tax) (5% CIFD).

And then, there are transport cost and insurance and other costs for the importers.

Let’s put things into perspective:

BMW 218i costs about $45k in USA (about $26k in Europe) , it costs about $95k in Bangladesh.

Cars with big engine is pricier :

Audi r8 costs about $162k (base model), but, if you want to import, total cost goes above $1.5M ,as we need to pay 800% duty fee on this 5.2L engine.

https://www.quora.com/How-are-the-prices-of-cars-in-Bangladesh

 

[TopCat]

I think the construction of Dhaka is good. But most Chinese don't know Dhaka. This video lets some people know about Dhaka or Bangladesh.

This is very good.

Dhaka's civil architecture is very modern. Due to traffic and difficulties in moving from one place to another most people avoid going out and actually see the real Dhaka. People always bear a preconceived idea of rickshaw clad Dhaka from 80's and 90's.

The car registration data reached an all-time high of 420,398 Unit in 2017 and it was 416,410 in 2016, a jump of mere 4000 units in one year. The population exceeds 160 million and motor vehicles number only 420,398 units. So, every 380 persons own 1 car. Not bad for a poor country.

By the way, as far as I know, the tax for a 1300 cc car is 150% and the Sales tax is 20%. In total it is 100%+(100+150)x20% = 200%. Please correct me if I am wrong. It is not possible to enlarge the car import market because the roads are insufficient to handle a larger number. I can see the figure to remain static for at least a decade as it has been for the last few long decades.

@UKBengali

The tax is calculated on a inflated price as well. For instance any kind of japanese car will have a minimum 8 lac taka tax to start with even if the price is 3000 dollar.
For instance a 4 years old Aqua cost you 3000 dollar in Japan. When you bring this car to BD, you will have to add minimum 8 lac with it as tax. So a Aqua cost you around 13-14 lacs in Dhaka market but the actual price is 2-3 lacs.

 

[bluesky]

The tax is calculated on a inflated price as well. For instance any kind of japanese car will have a minimum 8 lac taka tax to start with even if the price is 3000 dollar.
For instance a 4 years old Aqua cost you 3000 dollar in Japan. When you bring this car to BD, you will have to add minimum 8 lac with it as tax. So a Aqua cost you around 13-14 lacs in Dhaka market but the actual price is 2-3 lacs.

Most of BD people love to cheat the govt. The govt has also employed methods that deny cheating by the importers. Now, the importers can no more cheat because of this new rule to pay a minimum of 8 Lac Taka as a tax. Happy to know about it.

 

[Michael Corleone]

@Śakra maybe before you or any Indians come to be critical of Bangladesh, think about what your country represents to the world...
open defecation, rape and child abuses and oppression of women.

Only Bangladeshis and those from countries whose countries have improved considerably like srilanka for ex. Can diss Bangladesh here. Not Indian trolls like yourself.

 

[Mage]

there is a great fault line that started at the foot of Himalaya and extends up to Thailand. I have read somewhere that its depth is only about 12 km below the surface. Even though it does not pass through BD but a more than average strong earthquake on this fault line will jolt Dhaka, too, even if it is less than 7.5 Richter.

Can you tell me the name of this fault line? There are many fault lines in the Himalayan area because this is where Eurasian plate collided with the Indian plate. Only 12km depth from surface means a medium earthquake from there can be deadly.

However, in the case of BD, I have quite a doubt if a proper design or soil investigation procedure is followed before the construction. It is because of the central govt has so far failed to codify the design standards and the local govt engineers either take bribes or follow the order of the Mayor to overlook things.

I think BD have some rules...like in a certain area a building cannot be more than x storied. Although many real eastate companies and individual developers do not care about these regulations. Specially individual developers. They bribe the Rajuk to get their plan passed.