RBS-70 Bolide Mk-II missiles, sights supplied to Pakistan

[Darth Vader]

well LCH does has chaffs and flairs plus its been designed to fight in confortable flight altitude of 5.5 km to 6.2 Km but its fliet cieling with full load is 6.5 which can increase to beyond 7Km if the load is lesser as LCH was designed with same kind of terrain in mind and with same kind of MANPAD SAMS in mind

Almost All the Fighter Planes Comes With counter measures but they dont Say hey we just have this so we are invincible
and actual combat is different .
So If you think Since LCH can fly at the altitude of 6 + Kms you dont need to worry about any thing you have other thing coming because Pakistan army has loads of low end Sams besides these MAN PADS

Benefit of this man pad is mostly
Gives More Option when operator use it air defence network
It gives benefit on range hitting targets outside the range limit when you compare it with other systems e.g stinger, mistral

But Problem is its too Heavy , one person cant carry it you need
Unlike Stinger This is not a Fire&Forget System , which means operator must know what they are doing

 

[DJ_Viper]

well as per your flags you are a yamriucan but talk like a pakistan so what should i make of it a a false flagging pakistani trying to get some respect posting as a yamirican OK OK never mind point is nothing is what it seems on social media as we all are faceless so why not make most of it and make the wildest of war scenarios as for the actual combat in this part of the world well im sure its not too far off say not more than two to three years off till then enjoy trolling

so how does RBS 70 MK2 helps well not much PAF & PA needs something on lines of SPYDER SAM and Barak MR & LR as they are a self claimed "defensive force" and if they want to stop IAF they need something that has multi seeker head and multi band and multi layered 3D-4D-AESA based radar scanning capacity to keep IAF at bay

Sir, please go through my previous posts and realize that I just write the way it is, I don't have emotional attachment to anything on here. Just because I am on a Pakistani forum, doesn't mean I am one. And for sure, just because I didn't write what you wanted to read, doesn't make me an Indian or a Pakistani, etc. You can keep this cheap sh*t out of my posts.

I bring a wealth of experience in areas that you like to "comment on". So either stay out of my posts or discuss stuff like a normal person without the childish behavior from your post above. Thanks

 

[NHUDA]

Ok, what's a "fire and forger system"? Please enlighten me. There is no such thing that's fire and forget in reality. It is a term that identifies certain characteristics of a weapon that has a much higher probability of hitting its target. Due to which, its said "fire and forget". But with today's anti-jammin, ECM, Chaffs and Frequency Modulating, nothing is really fire and forget. My reference was also to the fact that a Laser lock is much stronger than an IR lock, add anti-jamming capability, the system has much higher chances of actually hitting its target. Just the old school "guided" fire and forget isn't applicable in today's world due to very advance lock-breaking, jamming, ecm and other tools and tech out there.

Calm Down Tiger .. Calm Down !!!

i was just asking i didn't have the idea that what extra punch it bring and wanted to be clear ... not further confuse ....

In my minute knowledge, As the name suggest FIRE & Forget is a kind of Missile where once the target is locked down u can Fire it & thn based on IR Homing, or Heat Seeking the missile will tail the target on its own (hence Fire and thn Forget)...

however in case of a Laser Guided system the laser beam have to the be set on the target and the missile hit the laser point ... and hence the Target have had to be within visibility in order to make a successful hit. hence cannot be considered Fire & forget System.

Now Again ... i m not here to debate as i m not an expert on the subject matter .. it was my layman question that we do have a Shoulder fired MANPADS (Anza - MK-III) with almost similar capability and range ... has been used in Kargil efficiently ... and i completely trust the vision of the procurement team that they would have bought the system to bridge any existing GAPS ... so just wanted to know what more it bring with it to the ability of the Armed Forces ...

If u do not know it is okay ! If no one answers to it .. it is okay too ! so please calm Down !

 

[Tipu7]

So is it for point defence ? What is launching platform of these misiles ... Can you please little further ?

""" The RBS 70 is a Short-range Air Defense (SHORAD) laser guided missile system.

Mk 1 and Mk 2 followed shortly and are the standard RBS 70 with a range of 5,000–6,000 m and a ceiling of 3,000 m. Currently, RBS 70 is operational in 18 customer countries, on all continents and in arctic, desert, and tropical environments.""

We have Anza MANPAD SAM .... how they provide any additional benefit over them ?

Accuracy, Terrain etc ???

RBS70 Mounted on M113.
Part of Strike Corp

 

[Zarvan]

RBS70 Mounted on M113.
Part of Strike Corp

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For love of GOD when on earth we would get rid of these M113

 

[DJ_Viper]

Calm Down Tiger .. Calm Down !!!

i was just asking i didn't have the idea that what extra punch it bring and wanted to be clear ... not further confuse ....

In my minute knowledge, As the name suggest FIRE & Forget is a kind of Missile where once the target is locked down u can Fire it & thn based on IR Homing, or Heat Seeking the missile will tail the target on its own (hence Fire and thn Forget)...

however in case of a Laser Guided system the laser beam have to the be set on the target and the missile hit the laser point ... and hence the Target have had to be within visibility in order to make a successful hit. hence cannot be considered Fire & forget System.

Now Again ... i m not here to debate as i m not an expert on the subject matter .. it was my layman question that we do have a Shoulder fired MANPADS (Anza - MK-III) with almost similar capability and range ... has been used in Kargil efficiently ... and i completely trust the vision of the procurement team that they would have bought the system to bridge any existing GAPS ... so just wanted to know what more it bring with it to the ability of the Armed Forces ...

If u do not know it is okay ! If no one answers to it .. it is okay too ! so please calm Down !

Sir, I am calm, lol. I was counter questioning you. F&F is really meant to outline guided capability of ATGM's, SAM's and Active Guidance for AAM's and SAMs. The missile upon release has a lock and its an active lock, meaning the pilot doesn't need to focus on the missile as the missile chases the target upon its own active guidance. So thus the F&F term. But these are traditional locks, majority in BVR are based on heat-seeking capability which isn't that strong when a target is like 45 miles away. A lot can happen, plus add the ECM, Jamming, etc from the target also. But a LASER lock is much stronger and missiles with such capability have robust and latest anti-jamming capability. Thus making the F&F term more relevant doe to anti-jamming and ECM capability coupled with the LASER lock. Hope this helps. Thanks

 

[Tipu7]

For love of GOD when on earth we would get rid of these M113

Why?
Look at current operators of M113

For love of GOD when on earth we would get rid of these M113

Its our prime APC and platform to be used as anti tank,air defense, C&C, recon vehicle.
We are producing its clones .........
M113 and its derivatives are going to stay with PA for atleast quarter Century more.........

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

flieght cieling of RBS 70 MK 2 is 5000 meters and flight cieling of LCH is 6500 mteres so the LCH escorting owr tank columns dont need to worry anything

And magically LCH won't face other SAMs or AAGs or our air assets .. Neither would it come down to engage and fire missiles with 6500 meters ?

 

[NHUDA]

RBS70 Mounted on M113.
Part of Strike Corp

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TY Bhai .. u Da MVP !

 

[alimobin memon]

flieght cieling of RBS 70 MK 2 is 5000 meters and flight cieling of LCH is 6500 mteres so the LCH escorting owr tank columns dont need to worry anything

Dude even if at 6.5km ceiling its stupid to compare it with the measures you count.
LCH from that altitude if fired cannon which LCH has is m621 cannon is 1100m/s so it requires it to travel around 6 seconds to reach target and in case of gravity 3 to 4 seconds which is enough for target to dodge and dance. so usually attack choppers or any choppers dont fly at max altitude dont expect much from lch 6.5km altitude and further more if RBS 70 is launched even from 5 to 10 floor buildings or mountainous regions it adds the altitude mark so dont be so happy.


For general info RBS 70 is way accurate and kill probability is better due to its laser beam guidance.

 

[PakGuns]

well LCH does has chaffs and flairs plus its been designed to fight in confortable flight altitude of 5.5 km to 6.2 Km but its fliet cieling with full load is 6.5 which can increase to beyond 7Km if the load is lesser as LCH was designed with same kind of terrain in mind and with same kind of MANPAD SAMS in mind

the average altitude at Azad Kashmir is around 3k metres and that around GB goes over and beyond 4500 metres... bruh... just tell it to your military too maybe they are laughing at us like you do.. and remeMber MIGs that went down in kargil had protection measures against ANZA MANPAD ... chaff and flares you are marketing LCH like some next level sh!t that world can't counter in million years

 

[mehboobkz]

well LCH does has chaffs and flairs

What will LCH's Chaff & flare achieve against laser guided RBS 70 MK-II? Its not Infra Red.

 

[muhammadali233]

dont worry you will not have to weight for long

ask the pilots of migs and mils,nachakita for example he wasn't very pleased with anzas

What will LCH's Chaff & flare achieve against laser guided RBS 70 MK-II?

Latest Russian,syrian and turkish 24's,35's and Ah-1s have gone down against 70's tech wire and laser guided missiles,LCH will have a hard time against these MK-II which is supposedly latest and the greatest.

 

[masud]

it,s a very good system....................

 

[Thorough Pro]

That is a 6 year old news.

Pakistan has purchased 213 RBS-70 Bolide Mk-II missiles from Sweden between 2010 and 2012, the UN Register of Conventional Arms has recorded in its reports (See 1 & 2). An undisclosed number of sights have also been acquired (See 3).

The Bolide missile is a development of the RBS 70 Mk 2. It has a maximum speed of more than Mach 2, faster than the RBS 70 which has a speed of Mach 1.6.

The Bolide missile design incorporates a number of new systems including a fibre-optic gyroscope, an adaptable proximity fuse which provides all-target capability and a high kill probability against small and dark targets, new sustainer rocket motor with an improved performance propellant and new electronics. The new sustainer rocket motor gives the missile a shorter time of flight and higher manoeuvrability than the RBS 70.

The new compact reprogrammable electronics suite installed in the missile allows the system to be easily upgraded with new software. The missile is primarily for air defence with a maximum intercept altitude at over 5,000m, but it can also be deployed against surface targets. It has a range of 250m to 8,000m.

You talk as though dollars grow on trees in Pakistan. Putting it more crudely (as there is no other way to describe your acquisition rants) Bund'ech guun na, kawan nu saintan

For love of GOD when on earth we would get rid of these M113