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Why we don't turn down rhetoric and conjecture and wait for the facts to come out as part of the investigation which has already begun?

In the meantime, inflammatory statements help no one including the most affected: the families of the deceased. What is most important is to stand by them and help them if we can in their loss.
 
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LAHORE, Pakistan, Jan 27, 2011 (AFP) - A US consular worker shot dead two Pakistani motorcycle riders in a Lahore city street Thursday, senior officials told AFP, with the man claiming he fired in self defence.

"The American national told us he was driving his vehicle and stopped at a traffic signal. He saw motorcycle riders and one pulled out a pistol. The man told us he then pulled out his pistol and fired in self-defence," Lahore police chief Aslam Tarin told AFP.

Tarin said the American was in police custody amid ongoing investigations.

He later added in a television interview that two pistols had been recovered from the motorcycle riders, and said the gunman was a security official from the local consulate.

Another Pakistani man was killed shortly after the shooting when a car from the US consulate in Lahore hit two pedestrians at the scene of the shooting, Tarin added.

Head of the public Services Hospital in Lahore, Mohammad Ijaz, confirmed that three people had been killed.

"We received one dead body and two injured persons. Both of the wounded later died in the hospital," he told AFP.

A second police official, Faisal Rana, said the American man in custody had reported that the two motorcycle riders had attempted to stop his car.

"He fired on them in self-defence.... We have arrested the American. He is an employee of the American consulate," he said.

More than 100 people blocked the road after the incident by setting tyres on fire to protest against the killing, an AFP reporter at the scene said.

The protest later moved to picket the police station where the car involved in the incident was impounded

The US embassy in Islamabad confirmed the man involved was a consular official.

"We can confirm he's a consular employee, but we don't know exactly what happened. There's a lot of speculation and we're speaking with the police to find out exactly what happened," US embassy spokesman Alberto Rodriguez told AFP.

the question is, did this stupid american see them pointing guns to him or not???

how does he know that the guns were not licensed guns???

and how to prove he is not lieing???, if he has got witnesses
 
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since the two alleged/so called robbers are dead, so no one knows exactly what happened... what about the other innocent guy who was knocked down by the american while escaping? how is this guy going to justify the killing of the 3rd guy.... ( in american term collateral damage)

i seriously think he is a CIA
 
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Since he is a US national the Government of Pakistan will do the job of protecting the innocent US embassy staff.

Government of Pakistan will Thanks the US for the incident and will ask for $$$'s.

Even if this person would have killed Bilawal or Hamza Shehbaz or Hussain Nawaz he would never had been punished.

We live in a beggar state that is slave to the US.

Media and GOP will sell there moms if they have to in order to save this all important innocent American National.

I hang my head in shame for being a Pakistani.
 
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hang him and broadcast its video.

or demand afia for this man excuse
 
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you can kill in self defense when the intruder attacks you with a knife, else you wont get a chance
 
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we have to wait to see the result of investigation.

What investigation?

1. Why was he carrying a weapon, why was he armed?

2. Why was he solo when...
U.S. officials in Lahore and Islamabad are instructed to restrict the frequency and to minimize the duration of trips to public markets, restaurants, and other locations.

Only a limited number of official visitors are placed in hotels, and for limited stays. Depending on ongoing security assessments, the U.S. Embassy places areas such as hotels, markets, and/or restaurants off limits to official personnel. U.S. citizens in Pakistan are strongly urged to avoid hotels that do not apply stringent security measures and to maintain good situational awareness, particularly when visiting locations frequented by Westerners.

^ The above is a excerpt from the latest warden notice issued by the Islamabad Embassy.

Now consider the following:
Road Safety

The roadways in Lahore continue to improve, although the traffic in the city and the lack of highway traffic patrols have littered the streets with vehicular debris. Driving is also made dangerous by:
· Typical lack of experience driving on the left side of the road
· Poorly trained and unskilled local drivers
· Pedestrians, horse carts, and cattle walking in the road without concern of oncoming traffic

The majority of Consulate staff utilize the Motorpool drivers for daily driving. The roads have limited markings and are poorly lit for night time driving. Because of this, driving at night outside the city is prohibited without approval of the Regional Security Office (RSO).


US Embassy S.O.P:

General Safety:
· Maintain a low profile and avoid wearing clothing that labels you as an American
· Situational awareness and common sense are imperative for your personal safety
· Avoid the appearance of carrying large sums of money
· Avoid high-risk areas, crowds, and civil disturbances
· Don’t be time and place predictable and always vary your routes
· If you feel that you are being followed or threatened in any way, immediately procede to a safe place such as a government building or police station
https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=9210
Why did this guy open fire and breach protocol in such a manner?

3. Where was his PSD?

4. Why wasn't DPD: Diplomatic Police told about this person's movement as per protocol?


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He will claim diplomatic immunity, they will recall him, no investigation will take place, i feel sorry for the innocent man crushed under the Lahore Registration Honda Civic.
 
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Why we don't turn down rhetoric and conjecture and wait for the facts to come out as part of the investigation which has already begun?

In the meantime, inflammatory statements help no one including the most affected: the families of the deceased. What is most important is to stand by them and help them if we can in their loss.

The relatives of the dead refused to carry the bodies unless action is taken against the murderer.

What investigation : 3 Pakistanis are dead.

Americans violated the law, why they were carrying weapons against the law ?


Above all what if one of these Americans was shot dead by the crowd in self-defence as well against his indiscriminate firing ?? Would all the hue and cry over that by Americans would have been taken as inflammatory ??


or it would have been blamed on Islam etc etc ? ultimately on dead zia and at the end on army and ISI :angel:
 
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What investigation?

1. Why was he carrying a weapon, why was he armed?

2. Why was he solo when...


^ The above is a excerpt from the latest warden notice issued by the Islamabad Embassy.

Now consider the following:



US Embassy S.O.P:


https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=9210
Why did this guy open fire and breach protocol in such a manner?

3. Where was his PSD?

4. Why wasn't DPD: Diplomatic Police told about this person's movement as per protocol?


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He will claim diplomatic immunity, they will recall him, no investigation will take place, i feel sorry for the innocent man crushed under the Lahore Registration Honda Civic.

i didnt know about the material you posted above, but you at least would agree with me that an investigation should take place to give us a complete picture of the incident.
 
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What investigation?

1. Why was he carrying a weapon, why was he armed?

2. Why was he solo when...


^ The above is a excerpt from the latest warden notice issued by the Islamabad Embassy.

Now consider the following:

He is US embassy staff probably CIA so he is off limits.


US Embassy S.O.P:


https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=9210
Why did this guy open fire and breach protocol in such a manner?

3. Where was his PSD?

4. Why wasn't DPD: Diplomatic Police told about this person's movement as per protocol?

Same as above.

He will claim diplomatic immunity, they will recall him, no investigation will take place, i feel sorry for the innocent man crushed under the Lahore Registration Honda Civic.

Slaves do not have the same rights as masters poor guy.
 
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The relatives of the dead refused to carry the bodies unless action is taken against the murderer.

What investigation : 3 Pakistanis are dead.

Americans violated the law, why they were carrying weapons against the law ?


Above all what if one of these Americans was shot dead by the crowd in self-defence as well against his indiscriminate firing ?? Would all the hue and cry over that by Americans would have been taken as inflammatory ??


or it would have been blamed on Islam etc etc ? ultimately on dead zia and at the end on army and ISI :angel:

Jana Ji: You make some fair comments that I do appreciate and understand. However, I am sure that all will be sorted out in due course and the matter will be resolved fairly and relatively quickly.
 
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He killed them for following him ?? Nowhere does it state that he believed that his life was being threatened by the bikers. Jeez he sure has a lot to answer for. If not in Pakistan then definately in his country
 
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He killed them for following him ?? Nowhere does it state that he believed that his life was being threatened by the bikers. Jeez he sure has a lot to answer for. If not in Pakistan then definately in his country

Sir if we consider this matter under US law then it might be painted as

An Pakistani ISI operative/ Terrorist/ any word to degrade a group of people ....... Opened fire and killed two innocent civilians. Then evaded police and crushed another person to death with a dozen or more injured by reckless driving. This rampage lasted for an hour or more with hundreds of people protesting against his actions.

But since he is a US National / Proper Human its perfectly fine for him to do so case closed.
 
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Jana Ji: You make some fair comments that I do appreciate and understand. However, I am sure that all will be sorted out in due course and the matter will be resolved fairly and relatively quickly.

Sir this will be played down no doubt and victims will be paid meager amount of money.

But its time US should mend its way atleast do not commit such mistakes/crimes against Pakistani public. otherwise US will never understand why Pakistani public doesnt like it much despite many welfare projects.

Money can not buy sentiments and respect. thats what US should realise by now after so many mistakes.
 
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