Raymond Davis Case: Developing Story

[pakdefender]

a comment made by an indian on youtube:

he already had foreign minister removed from his post... a US killer is more powerful than a minister in pakistan

something to think about

 

[r3alist]

lets not get caught up in periphery details of what his personality is like.

i think the core issue is what the heck was this guy up to, and is he a terrorist helper/funder?


and if he was, will the pakistani govt kick all of these guys out.


there is a fundamental security issue here, stay on the ball people!

 

[Usama86]

Watch Off the Record with Kashif Abbasi, he interviews Qurashi ex-FM, the following things Qurashi confirmed

1. He will appear in court and express his views if summoned
2. RD doesnot have the sort of immunity which can let him walk free
3. Senator Kerry promised him to get his job back if he changes his stance on this issue. (tells us how much US influences our politics)
4. FO was very capable of giving its view to the court today, the delay is a delibrate attempt.

I think RD is not going any where soon because the court has asked to put his name on ECL and told the govt. not to hand him over to any other country without seeking the court's permission. The govt will now have to prove to the court that RD is actually a diplomat and the court will decide on the evidence provided to them that wheather or not diplomatic immunity applies to RD.
It is sad for Davis that he is caught up in his act at the wrong time, the judiciary has sort of won a war of independance and now will do all in their power to make sure the right verdict is given. RD is best advised to get comfy in his new home as soon as possible cause he is staying here for some time now.

 

[VelocuR]

Court will decide Davis’ immunity: govt.
Updated at 0130 PST Friday, February 18, 2011


-----------------------------------------------------
US disappointed over immunity refusal: Munter

It send a very strong message to US. A very bold step. No-one dare to tone down our voices or rhetoric. In a move forward, US and Pakistan will start very normal relations.

 

[r3alist]

Watch Off the Record with Kashif Abbasi, he interviews Qurashi ex-FM, the following things Qurashi confirmed

1. He will appear in court and express his views if summoned
2. RD doesnot have the sort of immunity which can let him walk free
3. Senator Kerry promised him to get his job back if he changes his stance on this issue. (tells us how much US influences our politics)
4. FO was very capable of giving its view to the court today, the delay is a delibrate attempt.

I think RD is not going any where soon because the court has asked to put his name on ECL and told the govt. not to hand him over to any other country without seeking the court's permission. The govt will now have to prove to the court that RD is actually a diplomat and the court will decide on the evidence provided to them that wheather or not diplomatic immunity applies to RD.

is it not more important to ensure pakistan's govt is no longer letting these cold blooded killers in, and to cease the operations of those already in the nation?

whats the point of convicting one when there are hundreds more out there.



another thought, draw a line showing the number of blackwater types with time in pakistan on a chart.

then draw a line of the number of bombings/explosions in pakistan with time, they will match very well.

 

[JayAtl]

Solmon2 .. The fact is , if Raymond Davis had compleet blanket immunity our FM Qureshi wouldnt have felt the need to not give in to US demands and dont respect the International Law , as Hes a God Dam FM not an ordinary Pakistani, I expect he knew the legalities being followed in the light of Viena conventions and therefore didnt give in to the Demands of US despite being pressurized.Further if RD really enjoyed that status quo , it wouldnt have taken State Dpt or the US embassy to provide his Documented status quo even after two weeks after this tragic incident...!!!

he maybe no ordinary man - but your EX FM was known to obfuscate the truth many times. Btw, what does that make your current FM? who agrees that the guy has full diplomatic immunity?

Or are you saying ONLY if they agree with you they become and I quote you " a God Dam FM not an ordinary Pakistani"

 

[American Eagle]

Mr. Davis was the victum of a failed robbery, of a crime. He did not go out to randomly get after anyone. Let's not post false statements to try to stir up hatred falsely.

 

[r3alist]

Mr. Davis was the victum of a failed robbery, of a crime. He did not go out to randomly get after anyone. Let's not post false statements to try to stir up hatred falsely.

you are a broken record, please stop, the cat is out of the bag, WE KNOW.



please dont bother responding, his persistence is a clear sign of desperation.

 

[American Eagle]

It helps to understand that getting illegal access to confidential material pertinent to this case is not what we in the US call "good press coverage."

Some of the boasted about "evidence" is fraudulent on it's face as well, including the so called "pay slip." That is as phoney as a three dollar bill.

It is a dramatic violation of the rights of the victum, Mr. Davis, as any such information should have been exchanged between the GOP, FO, and the US Department of State, while Mr. Davis would and should and will have to behanded over to our State Dept. as he has 100% Diplomatic Immunity.

 

[Usama86]

is it not more important to ensure pakistan's govt is no longer letting these cold blooded killers in, and to cease the operations of those already in the nation?

whats the point of convicting one when there are hundreds more out there.



another thought, draw a line showing the number of blackwater types with time in pakistan on a chart.

then draw a line of the number of bombings/explosions in pakistan with time, they will match very well.

Earlier we did not have much proof of the existance of such people in Pakistan, now that we have got one in our jail who we believe to be under cover agents de-stabalizing Pakistan its up to us to extract all that we can from him and through the legal process present proof to the world... let it be a landmark case and from there give the guidelines for how such people should be kicked out or not allowed in at all. I dont expect this to happen !!!

 

[JayAtl]

It send a very strong message to US. A very bold step. No-one dare to tone down our voices or rhetoric. In a move forward, US and Pakistan will start very normal relations.

Quite the contrary, the fact the courts did not entertain the case - shows the American influence. They are waiting on the immunity question to be resolved. else if they tried him - it would be mean inherently he had no immunity. A bold step as you put it - would have been davis tried in your courts today.

 

[r3alist]

Earlier we did not have much proof of the existance of such people in Pakistan, now that we have got one in our jail who we believe to be under cover agents de-stabalizing Pakistan its up to us to extract all that we can from him and through the legal process present proof to the world... let it be a landmark case and from there give the guidelines for how such people should be kicked out or not allowed in at all. I dont expect this to happen !!!

i agree, this will not happen, the US has too much leverage, and pakistani's dont have enough balls.


BUT.....BUT...BUT......we can at least properly inform the population of how to make democracy work for them.

and in this case the population must be aware of the security threat these blackwater types have, and then demand that they be booted out in the name of national security.


and if the GOP refuse.....they have some explaining to do.


lets not get caught up in the smaller picture of his diplomatic status, this belongs in the wider context of the GOP allowing nefarious and terroristic agents into our nation to do as they please!

 

[JayAtl]

self delete.........................

 

[American Eagle]

There is a difference in smearing, slamming, and using untrue made up remarks and standing up for principal.

The man Raymond Davis is a victum of a failed attempted armed robbery. Much of the evidence has miraculously "changed" from the first week when the Pakistani press headlined TWO ROBBER S FAIL IN ATTACK ON AMERICAN DIPLOMAT to DAVIS MURDERED TWO INNOCENT PAKISTANIS.

Here is an example of false statements used to smear and stir up the unaware Paksitani people: "The poor two men [who just completed robbing two Pakistani Gentlemen of their cell phones and cash] two weeks after the event of the failed robbery...the world is then told untruthfully that the two pistols pull on Mr. Davis ...were unloaded pistols."

Do you really expect anyone in the free world to believe that? Of course not. But this statement is atypical of the type of false slanderous hate all Americans statement this site has been abused to have written here on the otherwise very good PDF miliary site.

Another absurd example I have read here in the last two days from today, Feb. 17: The robbers guns had no finger prints on the gun trigger(s)!

Now let's talk rationally here and ask ourselves does anybody have a gun they carry around that has no finger prints all over it, including on the trigger(s)?

Again, a preposterous statement insulting to thinking people who with simply common sense, street sense if you will, know that to be untrue.

The core truth is as from day one when the Court ordered the FO of the GOP to present evidence as to whether or not Mr. Davis is covered by Diplomatic Immunity.

It is a sad public fact that the GOP pretends that the courts will decide Mr. Davis immunity or not, when the courts know better and have Ordered the GOP FO to present their rationale to it, the court, as to whether or not the FO agrees or disagrees that Mr. Davis has diplomatic immunity.

Meanwhile Mr. Davis is covered by total Diplomatic Immunity and that is known world wide while this unfortunate episode, a failed robbery, continues to keep the two shot in the act of attempted robbery and armed assault on Mr. Davis...keeps this sore subject daily thrown in the face of the grieving family members, which makes every day a hard day for those innocents of the families of Faheem Shamshad and Faizan Haider. Their families deserve to be left in peace by writers here and by the rabid journalists and media in Pakistan.

 

[Usama86]

It helps to understand that getting illegal access to confidential material pertinent to this case is not what we in the US call "good press coverage."

Some of the boasted about "evidence" is fraudulent on it's face as well, including the so called "pay slip." That is as phoney as a three dollar bill.

It is a dramatic violation of the rights of the victum, Mr. Davis, as any such information should have been exchanged between the GOP, FO, and the US Department of State, while Mr. Davis would and should and will have to behanded over to our State Dept. as he has 100% Diplomatic Immunity.

Your President also made a statment to the same effect in reply to which our govt. has said that the Pakistani courts will decide the issue of immunity for RD. Is this right or wrong, legal or illegal is something we can debate about day and night but it will not change the facts of the case. Your position is well know to us and so is ours to you.