Raymond Davis Case: Arraignment for twin murder tomorrow

[emoriphious]

That is the main problem, that you do not trust the US, not all this nonsense of immunity. Pakistan's public mistrust in the US is not a strong or valid argument for not sentencing Davis in the US. You know, there is a good chance that he is not guilty and acted out of self defence.

As far as the United States justice system is concerned, it is nothing more than a very bad and evil joke with dim-witted jury and DAs with agendas and personal beliefs deciding cases rather on merit and circumstantial evidence.

Remember the documentary movie The Thin Red Line? And just yesterday they executed a mentally challenged woman for murder that she might have been manipulated to conspire where as the real murderers got life terms.

Ahmadinejad was right for once when he drew conclusions between the woman who was executed in Virginia yesterday and the woman scheduled to be stoned in Iran. The US govt has no moral right to talk about fairness and human rights.

 

[American Eagle]

You must be looking into a mirrow to have such unkind opinions of the US legal system.

 

[nirreich]

Re the Noko Incident the guy shot his own wife (Read: Not Pakistani).That incident has no resemblance to Raymond Davis affair at all.
So you present your point by giving conspiracy theories that Chinese are spying on all Pakistanis and Chinese spies are roaming in all parts of the country.You should work for Hollywood.Yes they must have agents but no they are not roaming around going on a killing spree like that douche-bag Davis.

Davis was involved in an incident with two armed men, probably for self defence, how could it be considered as a killing spree?

The NK case, although it involved non-Pakistanis, just imagine if the same thing happened with an American diplomat, the public and the media will be all over him, pointing to the "American murderers".

Regarding the Chinese, they are operating in Pakistan probably according to the same patterns of the CIA, if they want to achieve their objective and preventing terrorism in Xingiang, like the Americans trying to prevent it in Afghanistan and back in the States. Unfortunately for Davis, he was caught up by two armed men and probably was forced to defend himself.

As I said, innocent lives are being spend almost everyday in Pakistan and it seems that its people got use to it and tolerate extremism. There is a much wider public outcry over two armed people (probably criminals or ISI agents or both) than for the lives of thousands of Pakistanis who were killed in terror attacks. And the unfortunate reason is that Davis is an American.

 

[nirreich]

You can choose to believe in the convictions of your "main problem" or you can hear what I have to say.

I have long advocated Pakistanis to adopt secularism, freedom and democracy. In good conscience, I can't stop them from being subservient to radical ideologies without also showing them that they don't need to be subservient to US dictates either.

Its all about freedom and in todays Pakistan its America and the terrorists that are both taking away our freedoms. So this issue is not something dumb like lets piss off the Americans... Its about attaining Pakistan's freedom!

First, kudos for your effort to convince others who disagree with you and not just scream on them, which is quite typical around here.

Secondly, I understand what you are saying and why the US is perceived in Pakistan as an aggressive country, and I agree that their methods could be blunt and sometime offensive. Israel also sometime received this kind of attitude from Washington.

Believe it or not, I sincerely wish Pakistan to evolve and find peace and security. However, the only way for forward for Pakistan is to take responsibility for its fate, and stop blaming others in its misfortune.

The US does mistakes and sometimes act like an elephant in a porcelain store, but it is fighting right now to protect itself and its allies from another 9/11 - which was much worse for them than Pearl Harbour in 1942. They must fight it in Pakistan and Afghanistan because these countries became the epic centre of global terrorism. If the Americans do not fight it in South Asia, they would soon fight it in their own country. The US does not want to rule Pakistan, it is only wants to stop worry about Pakistan because of its terrorism and nuclear weapons, and for being so unstable. They pretty much ignored you until 1979, and tried to ignore you again between the end of the Afghan war and 9/11. If there is no global terrorism in Pakistan, then the US would get of Pakistan's back.

I believe you that you sincerely believe that the Davis case is a test for Pakistan's sovereignty. However, in my opinion it is just a projection of the hatred in Pakistan towards the US which is mostly irrational. The US grant massive assistance to Pakistan, and try to fight against Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan that are threatening the stability of both country. Most of the time they are killing Pakistanis and Afghanis. The US practically let Pakistan to develop its nuclear capabilities almost without any interruptions (just look what is going on with Iran and in the past with North Korea...).

So, I would expect Pakistanis to take this case in proportion, Davis should be sentenced and be punished if he is guilty. However, this circus of public opinion is way out of proportion regarding the case, to the context of the violent situation in Pakistan, and to the sort of attitude you should show towards the superpower which support Pakistan in many ways.

I know this criticism is hard to hear from someone who is far from events (like I do not like to hear criticism against Israel). However, sometime keeping a distance give one proportions about the situation. You can choose to listen or to ignore it.

 

[nirreich]

As far as the United States justice system is concerned, it is nothing more than a very bad and evil joke with dim-witted jury and DAs with agendas and personal beliefs deciding cases rather on merit and circumstantial evidence.

Remember the documentary movie The Thin Red Line? And just yesterday they executed a mentally challenged woman for murder that she might have been manipulated to conspire where as the real murderers got life terms.


Ahmadinejad was right for once when he drew conclusions between the woman who was executed in Virginia yesterday and the woman scheduled to be stoned in Iran. The US govt has no moral right to talk about fairness and human rights.

Do you really want to argue that the judicial systems in Pakistan and Iran are better than in the US?

 

[T-Rex]

Do you really want to argue that the judicial systems in Pakistan and Iran are better than in the US?

Guantanamo Bay Prison is the dazzling example of the "higher moral ground" of the US judicial system, I suppose!

 

[Rafael]

Guantanamo Bay Prison is the dazzling example of the "higher moral ground" of the US judicial system, I suppose!

And Afia Sidiqui too!

 

[nirreich]

Guantanamo Bay Prison is the dazzling example of the "higher moral ground" of the US judicial system, I suppose!

Just one little tiny thing: Guantanamo is not under the jurisdiction of the US judicial system, that was the point in maintaining this prison. So Guantanamo is no proof for the "higher moral ground" of the judicial system.

Keep making a fool of yourself, it is quite amusing.

 

[Awesome]

Davis can be let off through clemency. Make him go through the trial, if he's found guilty sentence him, jail him. Then talk about deals with the US (in terms of redefining the entire CIA program) and release him through presidential pardon.

These days if you go through the right wing US media, they are beginning to question Obama's handling of this issue. Mike Mullen had built a good rapport with Pakistani generals, and the Hillary led Democrat team has demolished all that. If we prove Raymond Davis is guilty, and get then let him go at least back home Americans would also question the sanity of the idea of taking on Pakistanis rather than working with them.

It would also help when we are gunning to end that wretched American drones program.

 

[Awesome]

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