RAW told to damage Pakistan economy in the guise of talks

[Spring Onion]

Pros of Pakistan granting India Transit Facility to Transport Goods to Afghanistan

1. Pakistan will earn valuable foreign Exchange as Transit Fees.

2. Pakistan will earn the goodwill of Afghanistan’s Consumer of Goods of Indian Origin

3. Pakistan will earn the goodwill of Indian Manufacturers and Traders who will increase Import of Pakistani goods to India.

1. Sorry we dont need any Indian transit fee because we can earn more by having direct trade with Afghanistan instead of allowing flow of Indian goods into Afghanistan.

2. Sorry the Afghan people need food and other daily use items and they are already getting it from Pakistan, and most of their traders are also making big bucks by selling Pakistani goods there in Afghanistan. We dont need Indians to earn goodwill of Afghan people.


3. Till this day the mutual trade with India only benefited India not Pakistan. Whether indirectly or as a result of direct export between the two countries, the balance of this activity has always been in favour of India. India has enjoyed a huge trade surplus with sales to Pakistan at around $1.9 billion against imports of a mere $300 million in the recent past.

So in case we provide the transit route to India the lion share of the resultant benefit will again go to India.

Cons of Pakistan granting India Transit Facility to Transport Goods to Afghanistan

1. Pakistani goods will suffer competition from Indian goods which will most probably be cheaper than Pakistani Goods as the Indian Manufacturer buys Inputs on a much larger scale as well as Manufactures Goods on a much larger scale thereby having the benefit of lower costs.

2. However the most important point is that a good percentage of the Goods meant for Transit to Afghanistan will find their way into the Pakistani Markets and will be even more cheaper than normal imported Indian Goods as NO PAKISTANI IMPORT DUTIES were paid when the Goods crossed from India to Pakistan on their way to Aghanistan.

Pakistani Members will be aware of the Huge amount of Sri Lankan and Kenyan Tea arriving at Karachi meant for Afghanistan finds its way into the Pakistani Market.

There may be other types of Goods and until Pakistan finds an efficient and sure way to ensure that Goods “IN TRANSIT” to Afghanistan do indeed go to Afghanistan, and not enter the Pakistani Market, there will always be a hesitancy on the Pakistani Authorities’ part to dither and hinder the Transit of Goods etc. from India to Afghanistan.

There are many other disadvantages which Pakistan will face in case we allow direct transit route to India.

In addition Pakistan Members are aware that Unhindered Chinese Imports have destroyed Thirty to Forty Pakistani Industries.

No doubt the chinese goods are affecting Pakistan as much as any other country in the world but our industries have been closed due to political victimisation not China.

As such it is quite possible that large scale and “open-free trade” Indian Goods will have a very negative effect on Pakistani Industries.

Thus Pakistan not granting Transit facilities from India to Afghanistan may sound discriminatory to the Indian Members but until Pakistan can create an efficient machinery to ensure that Goods meant for Afghanistan do not enter the Pakistani Market I, for one, do not expect Pakistan to grant Transit facilities to India for not only Trade to Afghanistan but also to the Central Asian Republics.

This may be the most important reason as to why India is making such huge efforts to “upgrade” the Port of Chah Bahar so that it can find a Transit not only to Afghanistan but to all the Central Asian Republics.

Well Sir allowing India a free trade route is not at all in our benefit neither we should allow it.


India refused to allow the same to Nepal and BD why Indians grin when Pakistan does the same.

 

[Spring Onion]

ASQ, I know alcohol drinking is prohibited in Islam but I am curious to know "If Alcohol banned in Pakistan or not?"

I apologise again but would like to learn that nobody drinks Alcohol in Pakistan.

Yes Alchohol is banned in Pakistan officialy. But is available unofficialy and also consumed by people who drink

 

[birdofprey2]

Don't worry, we will be slitting throats in Delhi soon. You drink our water we drink your blood.

drinking water creates two types of liquids .. blood and ......


drink both

 

[birdofprey2]

Yes sir, you guessed it right. Fighting is in our genes. You keep giving us reasons, and we just keep fighting.

there will be a time when you cant fight the enemy when it becomes too strong.. then do fight among yourselves... cheers

 

[notsuperstitious]

ONE TRILLION RUPEES!!!

Whats the brief? Damage Pakistani economy or help them take over China's growth rate?

These Chanakyans are beyond me

 

[Spring Onion]

ONE TRILLION RUPEES!!!

Whats the brief? Damage Pakistani economy or help them take over China's growth rate?

These Chanakyans are beyond me

We are happy with Chinese growth rate we dont need to take it over.

India should do herself favour instead of helping us

 

[birdofprey2]

Sources told RAW at present was supplying over two hundreds containers of alcohol and beetle nut illegally to anti Pakistan Taliban every month in the name of different companies through Afghan transit

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How many terrorists can i buy with 5 bottles of rum and 1 sack of beetlenut.. i need few to threaten my lecturer..

This way billion of rupees are being distributed among Taliban so that on one side Pakistan economy could be undermined and on the other side Afghan Taliban could be strengthened financially in order to use them for fulfillment of its vicious designs.

can i pay in rupees only?/ do they take cash cards, dollars or travelers cheque??/

 

[notsuperstitious]

We are happy with Chinese growth rate we dont need to take it over.

India should do herself favour instead of helping us

Hey you take every joke seriously, including your own and zaid kazzabs!

I meant we are NOT giving 22 billion USD to pakistan

 

[Justin Joseph]

Again a thread about RAW.

I think it is the best excuse for every failures and problems to blame India.

And its works well for establishments.

 

[Spring Onion]

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How many terrorists can i buy with 5 bottles of rum and 1 sack of beetlenut.. i need few to threaten my lecturer..

There are many loyal to war lords and you can indeed buy them with 5 bottles of rum.

can i pay in rupees only?/ do they take cash cards, dollars or travelers cheque??/

The flow of local currency is good to carry on your agenda and activities

 

[Spring Onion]

Again a thread about RAW.

I think it is the best excuse for every failures and problems to blame India.

And its works well for establishments.

It is not about failure at all. Its about disadvantages and harms to Pakistan and its economy if we allow and continue to allow flow of Indian goods through Pakistan'

 

[Moorkh]

1. Sorry we dont need any Indian transit fee because we can earn more by having direct trade with Afghanistan instead of allowing flow of Indian goods into Afghanistan.

the transit fee will be in addition to the income you get from your direct imports to afganistan. we will not replace your exports. just add our own exports and give u a share(transit fee). its win win for pakistan as far as money is concerned.


2. Sorry the Afghan people need food and other daily use items and they are already getting it from Pakistan, and most of their traders are also making big bucks by selling Pakistani goods there in Afghanistan. We dont need Indians to earn goodwill of Afghan people.

you dont "need" india to earn goodwill in afganistan????
i hope thats just a typo. you cant need what you cant use or own.
i assume it was suppsed to be
"we dont want india to earn goodwill in afganistan"
in that case you might be right. the impression i get from the members here is that pakistan will feel surrounded by pro india forces if afganistan also becomes pro india. so that can be counted as a negative.

3. Till this day the mutual trade with India only benefited India not Pakistan. Whether indirectly or as a result of direct export between the two countries, the balance of this activity has always been in favour of India. India has enjoyed a huge trade surplus with sales to Pakistan at around $1.9 billion against imports of a mere $300 million in the recent past.

jana ji , trade benefits both the parties. one of the very reasons trade takes place is that both the sides get something out of it.
indian exports u mention were $1.9 billion. accepted thats a lot of money coming to india. but you also get $1.9 billion worth of goods that you wanted. buying the same goods elsewhere would have cost you much more. that is why us imported them from india.
so it doesnt sound very logical on your part to be unhappy that the trade balance is in india's favor. pakistan is also getting a lot out of the trade.

India refused to allow the same to Nepal and BD why Indians grin when Pakistan does the same.

i am not sure what you are talking about here. we ask for a transit fee when goods travel between nepal and bangladesh over our lands. we are offering you transit fee for the goods that will travel to afganistan. we are not asking you for a free freight corridor or something

 

[deckingraj]

It is not about failure at all. Its about disadvantages and harms to Pakistan and its economy if we allow and continue to allow flow of Indian goods through Pakistan'

I don't think you can stop Indian goods reaching Afghanistan...If not the cheaper option via Pakistan then perhaps via Iran...Indian goods will reach afghanistan....Indian economy is big enough and GOI can provide subsidy to keep the cost down(if we had to choose the bigger trade route)....So i am not sure if this policy will help you in long run...Do you honestly think that Indian establishment did not take into account that Pakistan will not allow the trade via their soil before investing $1.3 Billion in AF???

What will definitely help you is to come up with Plans about how to make your goods compete with indian goods both on quantity and quality... Honestly protectionism is not the right word to use in today's global world...

1. Sorry we dont need any Indian transit fee because we can earn more by having direct trade with Afghanistan instead of allowing flow of Indian goods into Afghanistan.

Ummm don't agree fully...Anyways AF is big enough Market so how about the option of having both???

2. Sorry the Afghan people need food and other daily use items and they are already getting it from Pakistan, and most of their traders are also making big bucks by selling Pakistani goods there in Afghanistan. We dont need Indians to earn goodwill of Afghan people.

We are talking about trade Jana...Nothing like goodwill...Chinese products all over the world doesnot earn her goodwill but $$$....

3. Till this day the mutual trade with India only benefited India not Pakistan. Whether indirectly or as a result of direct export between the two countries, the balance of this activity has always been in favour of India. India has enjoyed a huge trade surplus with sales to Pakistan at around $1.9 billion against imports of a mere $300 million in the recent past.

So in case we provide the transit route to India the lion share of the resultant benefit will again go to India.

In my most humble words i would say this is flawed logic...If you look at trade between India and China there is huge trade deficit in favor of China...That does not mean China is reaping all the benefits of Trade b/w India and China...Though GOI is very serious about reducing this gap however halting trade with them will do no good....Moreover its a common misconception that its export only which is good...people tend to forget even import creates jobs...Read this...
Do imports create jobs?

There are many other disadvantages which Pakistan will face in case we allow direct transit route to India.

There might be but nothing that cannot be routed out...Also you are missing the benefits that Pakistan will have by allowing it, not just economically but politically as well...Just think how much Goodwill GOP will get not only in India but on international arena if she choose to do so...

No doubt the chinese goods are affecting Pakistan as much as any other country in the world but our industries have been closed due to political victimisation not China.

This one is unfair...When it comes to china its political victimisation but when it comes to India standards are different... Please talk from pure economics and not Indo-Pak usual love hate bias...Also please note that India economy is thriving and will continue to thrive with or without Pakistan...Its Pakistan who in this stage needs some hard cash $$$...and India apart from China do have big reserves of foreign exchange....Honestly if you ask any economists who is not suffering from Indo-Paj jingoism will show a very different picture that what you have in your mind...

Well Sir allowing India a free trade route is not at all in our benefit neither we should allow it.

Already shared my view above...In the end its Pakistan and people of Pakistan to decide how they want to go about it...Will say just from pure economics and current economy of Pakistan it is a BAD IDEA...

India refused to allow the same to Nepal and BD why Indians grin when Pakistan does the same.

I am not sure if it is true...As per my understanding

Two-way trade between Bangladesh and Nepal was nearly $80 million in 2008-09 fiscal. Of which Nepal’s exports were about $70 million.

Also please read

India to Provide Nepal Transit to Bangladeshi Port - Xinhua News Agency | Encyclopedia.com

India proposes demo train with Nepal, Bangladesh to boost trade

P.S : We are correcting our mistakes in the past...You know that before 1991 our economy had socialism written all over it...It was the shock of bankruptcy that we learnt globalization(read open market) is the way to go....

 

[Spring Onion]

the transit fee will be in addition to the income you get from your direct imports to afganistan. we will not replace your exports. just add our own exports and give u a share(transit fee). its win win for pakistan as far as money is concerned.

Nop i will say again we can make more money and avoid harm to Pakistan by NOT allowing trade route to India.

India can find other indirect routes if India is keen to have trade with Afghanistan.

you dont "need" india to earn goodwill in afganistan????
i hope thats just a typo. you cant need what you cant use or own.
i assume it was suppsed to be

No typo. A fellow here said that by allowing India, Pakistan will earn goodwill of Afghans so i was replying to that.

jana ji , trade benefits both the parties. one of the very reasons trade takes place is that both the sides get something out of it.
indian exports u mention were $1.9 billion. accepted thats a lot of money coming to india. but you also get $1.9 billion worth of goods that you wanted. buying the same goods elsewhere would have cost you much more. that is why us imported them from india.
so it doesnt sound very logical on your part to be unhappy that the trade balance is in india's favor. pakistan is also getting a lot out of the trade.

Our exports to India are far less than what India is exporting.

But again mutual trade is one thing and allowing India a trade route is another

 

[Moorkh]

Nop i will say again we can make more money and avoid harm to Pakistan by NOT allowing trade route to India.

India can find other indirect routes if India is keen to have trade with Afghanistan.

it would be kind of you to elaborate on this.

if indian and pakistani goods are competing for the same niche, then the pakistani products will be cheaper as the indian goods will still have to pay the transit fee. the fee can be decided high enough to offset the benefit from the scale of production in india. this can lead to a slight fall in exports for pakistani goods if and only if they are inferior quality. more money will be made from the transit fee than the loss of exports.

for those niches where indian products dont compete with the pakistani goods, its easy money for pakistan as there is no reduction in exports to pakistan and income from the transit fee.