RAW managed to pull an anti China stunt in Dhaka. Modi media catches.

[Joe Shearer]

Lol.. "coward". You're too thick to understand how things will play out. No point explaining furthur.
Carry on with coo coo "war games".

You are NOT supposed to say that. You are supposed to bow humbly and say,"O wise and far-seeing brother, thank you for leaving your own country and sitting somewhere else, enjoying yourself in peace and security, and taking your valuable internet time to advise us how to run our own country. We are grateful to you; instead of advising your own people how to recover from economic disaster, you are giving us valuable hints from your experience of nation-building in the US."

 

[Naofumi]

You are going way off topic.

I think it is related to family by family. Some only marry similar zat, while others like us have no qualms marrying Pukhtoons, Arains, Baloch, Kashmiris, etc.

No no, I am asking a different thing, clan is not zat - it's the sub-zat, Hindu-Sikh are prohibited to marry in their sub-zat, like Bhatti Rajput will marry Rajputs but different ones like Sisodia etc. It's severely prohibited to marry on the same clan in some Haryanvi Muslims like Meos (who BTW are now in Pakistan too). So, Do their Pakistani branches practice clan exogamy or not?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

No no, I am asking a different thing, clan is not zat - it's the sub-zat, Hindu-Sikh are prohibited to marry in their sub-zat, like Bhatti Rajput will marry Rajputs but different ones like Sisodia etc. It's severely prohibited to marry on the same clan in some Haryanvi Muslims like Meos (who BTW are now in Pakistan too). So, Do their Pakistani branches practice clan exogamy or not?

We don't have that concept in Pakistan.

 

[Naofumi]

We don't have that concept in Pakistan.

Those who migrated from Haryana?

 

[Joe Shearer]

What do you suggest we should do? Matching either India or China's military might is not realistic and will never be.
What does India have to gain from invading us?
Should we pour all our resources into the military and become a security state?
Should we live in constant insecurity and paranoia that India is out there to get us and allocate everything we have to checkmate India while our people suffers?

Of course!

How selfish can you get?

Don't you see that these small sacrifices are so good for others?

If they had the money to do it, they would. Since you have more money than them, money that you unfairly earned by breaking away and preventing them from taxing it, you should make these sacrifices.

How simple this is, but you wilfully misunderstand.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Those who migrated from Haryana?

I have only ever met one Pakistani family from Haryana, and they identified as Punjabi and intermarriage with anyone.

 

[Naofumi]

I have only ever met one Pakistani family from Haryana, and they identified as Punjabi and intermarriage with anyone.

Ok, leave it anyways.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Like the Titanic, they will keep believing there is no problem until the end when they are buried in icy water.

Indian mentality is their biggest weakness, there is no place for realism. Hopes and dreams do not make reality.

One must work hard, be patient/humble, and strike when absolutely necessary, using the element of surprise. Pakistan and China both beat India this way.

Indian big mouths are their worst enemy.

And that is how you win the world in your dreams. Sit in the US and explain how your country beat another. It feels so good. There might be some people who even believe it, and that's when it feels better.

And yet india supporters are not seen on any threads on indian debacle...

Hear nothing from them....their silence is deafening.

Why bother? You are doing enough noise-making to substitute for 1.2 billion people.

They are busy re-writing wikipedia, trolling twitter and reddit, and asking quota, "How can holy mother India lose?"

Foolish people. They don't know where it counts. That's why they aren't here, winning friends and influencing people.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@doorstar @Thorough Pro @omegalamba7XL9

Bangubandhu Joe is back from the dead. Thoughts?

 

[xeuss]

Your percentages are off, but I don't expect much from someone 2,000 kms away.

Actually the major influence on Urdu has been Punjabi, which is a language formed in IVC territory and unique in the world. Punjabi has a major contribution from Farsi and Turkish Oghuz/Chagatai branch languages.

Urdu was a languaged formed from Muslim armies which stretched from Afghanistan to former Muslim majority area around current UP. Lahore is as much native for Urdu as any city in India today.

This has been discussed many times in Pakistan history section, you are free to open a topic on it.

How does Pakistani dress, food, song, poetry belong to your foreigners sitting in BD and India?

Shalwar Kameez is from Turkic culture and Kurdish culture. Firaaq is from Afghanistan and Iran. Biryani is from Pilao, which is Afghan/Turkish. Kababs from Turkey. Rest all dishes are native Mughlai, Pukhtoon, or IVC origin. Our song and poetic tradition is from Iran and Afghanistan.

Punjabis of Pakistan and India have very different looks and culture, due to religion and mixing. We are mixed with Kashmiris, Pukhtoons, Sindhis, and Baloch. Sikh Punjabi are mixed with darker Indians down south.

I find point of Siraikis laughable and also Sindhis. The reason why you claim similarity of Sindhis with Gujuratis is due to exodus of Sindhi Hindus and influx of Junagarh families like Bhuttos. Next.

Pukhtoon and Baloch are two similar ethnic groups which share commonality with Punjabis, Sindhis, GB, and Kashmiris. As a foreigner I wouldn't expect you to know the nuances.

Our roots are IVC and Iranic nomads, like Saka/Kushan/Hepthalite, both unique to our country (which neither Indian nor BD share.) Our looks and culture make obvious the differences between us and Ganges-Padma delta civilization of prehistory.

I never said we look exactly like Arabs, Iranians, Turks, and others. You are lying to create your narrative.

Pakistan is unique in the whole world.

BD is not much different racially from India, but that broad paintbrush cannot be used to paint us in the same manner.

Every Pakistani will tell you the same.

If you want to continue, create the relevant thread.



Not case anymore. Usually we are closer to Arabs in the West also.

I have read this narrative of yours previously and have finally began to understand what you are trying to say and where you are coming from. However, you must also agree that culture and traditions always evolve, and the creation of an independent Muslim homeland in the form of Pakistan allowed this evolution to further itself to the point that you can clearly state the distinctions; and that after 70 years. Had an undivided Punjab remained in a Hindu India, over 70 years, it is possible that the distinctions that you cite today may have been further blurred.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What Muslim countries are you talking about. Muslims have always fought each other and are still fighting. After all, they are very peaceful and the world should learn from them how not to develop economically but fight each other.

No, NO, NO!

Wrong answer.

You are NOT supposed to develop economically. Did you do that from 47 to 71? You didn't; you were what you are criticising now. How selfish can you get? Looking for development, prosperity and the upliftment of your poor, instead of helping the worthy with their single-minded determination to prevail at any cost - even eating grass.

Somehow, with this negative attitude, you may never 'get' it.

Are you stupid me joining anti-china? I am in favor of de-escalating the situation. Border tension and war cries do not help common people.

You definitely are not making the right impression in the right quarters.

Helping the common people instead of helping the uncommon people destroy India.

No wonder you could not lead your country when you were part of another.

Im sure you have huge stake in that..

See what I mean? None of those fighting in the desert (in their dreams) approve of you.

You can shove your appreciation where sun doesn't shine on you. We have disagreement about your existence and shall help China when the time comes.

Feel free, and choose your time. NO Indian wants to fight with Bangladesh.

Jamatis are a nobody with less than 1% support. It's funny you maggot talk about "country's line" when our PM didn't even let your Chaiwala into the country for Bangabandhu related event because Chaiwala's presence would be an insult to the founding father.

I can applaud that. If it doesn't offend you to have a mere Indian have the audacity to applaud you.

Now now, don't get your knickers in a twist, I'm sure you'll come back to your senses in a bit, when chest thumping phase is over.

You don't even make knickers, only T Shirts.

How dare you make money in these ways when others don't make money in any ways?

Shame on you.

Lol stop pretending with your fake love for Bangladesh or Bangabandhu. We know who you are.
Once you remove Chaiwala, change your policies, act like a cuck and give us certain advantages vis-a-vis our interaction with you, we can get along better.

Just check first to make sure you are not preaching to the choir.

Jingoists are the biggest enemies of their own countries, look at South Korea, Japan and Germany. Even after so much destruction, they focused on growth, now they are capable of doing practically anything - even nuclear bombs, if the need arises. So, growth is the best way for poor/developed countries. There was a study by a Pakistani scholar that if Pakistan had invested in education and infrastructure in its early phase then its economy had grown such that the defence budget would have been even bigger than now. For nearly all world powers, economic growth precedes military one. Think about it.

Are you crazy? This is the last thing the fanboy wants to hear.

This @Cliftonite guy is one of the more sensible Pakistanis, but he seems to have been irked by something I said and is now deliberately being aggressive to get a reaction out of me.

Too bad I can't give out some dose of reality because it's a Pakistani forum, besides why should I bash an entire country for one user.

You can do better pal, don't go after my people or my country.

He is just trying to show solidarity with the wart-hogs who claim to represent popular opinion in his country. He is all right; just ignore him in these threads, when he feels compelled to shout patriotic slogans.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I have read this narrative of yours previously and have finally began to understand what you are trying to say and where you are coming from. However, you must also agree that culture and traditions always evolve, and the creation of an independent Muslim homeland in the form of Pakistan allowed this evolution to further itself to the point that you can clearly state the distinctions; and that after 70 years. Had an undivided Punjab remained in a Hindu India, over 70 years, it is possible that the distinctions that you cite today may have been further blurred.

Yes, brother you are correct. States have a major affect on the psyche of a people. Our experiences as a nation have also shaped us into who we are and who we will become.

One point though, Punjabi Muslims have mostly been village people so that conquerors came and went, so our basic culture stayed intact. This is how we preserved our Punjabi language so well, even many Sikhs get impressed by the Punjabi spoken by us as it is closer to the roots of the language.

Before British, basically we were continuous with Afghanistan and Eastern Iran. Then the British embarked on cultural warfare on the Dari language and to separate us from our kin in Afghanistan and Iran via the language barrier.

We always spoke Urdu too, but Dari was more important. Then Urdu took center stage, as we had no choice in the matter. Eventually Urdu became the preferred language of Muslims over foreign colonial farangi tongue of Brits.

Now Pakistan is undergoing a unique phase since 1971, we are becoming more Islamic and rediscovering our past links to Turks and Afghans. With Taliban victory, we are now seeing calls from the Pukhtoon areas of Afghanistan to merge with Pakistan. Turkish culture has begun to influence us in a big way as well, due to people people contacts, drama, and opening up of Central Asia to us.

Future of Pakistan is clear. We are no longer a South Asian nation, but Southwestern Asian/Eurasian one.

 

[Joe Shearer]

When did I ever disagree?




I have nothing against your people. Hindus and Muslims alike. I'm a huge fan of Bengali films.

But your ethos as a country, your country's national narrative is hating Pakistan. It creeps up into svery discussion from time to time. Get over that. The generation that butchered your people is long dead or in retirement homes.

This constant 'we're doing better than you' is kinda lame when you've only overtaken us in the past 5 years. And we want you to get ahead, but don't pull us down while doing that.

@DalalErMaNodi @Cliftonite

Speaking purely as a third party with warm feelings towards both countries, with affectionate feelings with some among both countries' citizens,and with a neutral point of view. you two actually agree with each other.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No, NO, NO!

Wrong answer.

You are NOT supposed to develop economically. Did you do that from 47 to 71? You didn't; you were what you are criticising now. How selfish can you get? Looking for development, prosperity and the upliftment of your poor, instead of helping the worthy with their single-minded determination to prevail at any cost - even eating grass.

Somehow, with this negative attitude, you may never 'get' it.



You definitely are not making the right impression in the right quarters.

Helping the common people instead of helping the uncommon people destroy India.

No wonder you could not lead your country when you were part of another.



See what I mean? None of those fighting in the desert (in their dreams) approve of you.



Feel free, and choose your time. NO Indian wants to fight with Bangladesh.



I can applaud that. If it doesn't offend you to have a mere Indian have the audacity to applaud you.



You don't even make knickers, only T Shirts.

How dare you make money in these ways when others don't make money in any ways?

Shame on you.



Just check first to make sure you are not preaching to the choir.




Are you crazy? This is the last thing the fanboy wants to hear.



He is just trying to show solidarity with the wart-hogs who claim to represent popular opinion in his country. He is all right; just ignore him in these threads, when he feels compelled to shout patriotic slogans.

Well the ones in rocky desert/mountains surely do.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lmao Ahomi, your not even 'indian', Shut up and go back to burma

Just curiousity; how did you get that?

I know this is more like an anecdotal evidence, but since moving to the US during my teenage years and during my undergrad almost every Pakistani student I know shared a very close bond and friendship with the Indian students, both the ones born in Pakistan and US. They have maintained that bond many years after graduation, even after moving to their respective countries or staying in the US. In an university setting with thousands of international students they had equal chances to mingle with any other ethnicity you mentioned yet they found more in common with the Indians, there is an obvious similarity in culture you can't ignore.

But they come here to preach hate.