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We've gotten many other Baitullah Mehsud type people. Each time the same was speculated that hes Pak's own guy.
Just to name a few we got Nek Mohammad, Akbar Bugti, Rashid Ghazi, Abdul Aziz... off the top of my head. These type of figures keep popping up and we keep taking them down when they slip up.
What's the big deal with press conferences. Osama gave interviews to American journalists. Famous ones. It's the same concept with a few more journalists that his organization hand picks to just carry the message out into the world.
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Indian Sponsored Terror Attack in Lahore
Kashmir Watch, April 1
By Sajjad Shaukat
It is a good sign that after eight hours exchange of fire on March 30, 2009, our security forces regained the control of Police Training Center the at Manawa, Lahore, capturing five terrorists alive, who prove useful in the investigation. In less than a month, after similar pattern of assault on Sri Lanka’s visiting cricket team, this major attack on the police academy which killed 11 persons and injured more than 90 individuals in the heart of Lahore, underscores the course of threat. It was well-organized and highly coordinated act, while terrorists used hand grenades and sophisticated weapons.
On the same day, Mr Rehman Malik, the Interior Advisor pointed out Baitullah Mehsud, chief of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) as the planner and executioner of the terrorist operation, also indicated reference to a “foreign hand to be on the safe side.” On March 31, Mehsud claimed responsibility for the Manawan attack, and threatened to carry out similar operations in Lahore and other parts of Punjab including US homeland in future. Regarding Lahore mayhem, he told BBC Urdu over the telephone from an undisclosed location, “These attacks were in reaction to US drone strikes in the tribal areas.” However, among the captured fugitives, one was Afghan national, and police arrested around 50 suspected persons from various parts of Lahore on his disclosure. While a number of questions arise in the minds of every Pakistani in connection with Lahore debacle�who was involved, why it happened and what were the aims behind that terrorist event. These queries need logical conclusion to sort out the real culprits.
First of all, statement of Bailtullah Mehsud, leader of the TTP, itself, requires special attention. After spreading terrorism in Pakistan’s Frontier Province, he has repeatedly warned to target Lahore, other parts of Punjab and Karachi. He has started implementing his nefarious game. Unlike the Swat-based Taliban who signed a peace agreement with the provincial government in the recent past, Mehsud whose insurgents are most active in Waziristan and other related tribal agencies, flatly refused to initiate or conclude any such peace accord. As a matter of fact, Bailtullah Mehsud is direct agent of Indian intelligence agency, RAW and indirect agent of American CIA. Just like his patrons, while, playing a double game, his main purpose is to destablise Pakistan in order to fulfill the sinister designs of his paymasters. Mehsud whose insurgents get arms and ammunition from Afghanistan where Indian RAW and military troops are well-entrenched against Pakistan, is allowed to condemn US drones attacks and New Delhi’s anti-Pakistan policies so that his followers do not doubt his integrity.
There is similarity in anti-Pakistan designs, being acted upon by our enemies, if we witness the ongoing phenomenon of sabotage in our country in wake of various developments. In this context, an article, published in the “Indian Defence Review,” Jan-Mar 2009 under the caption: Stable Pakistan not in India’s Interest, suggested the disintegration of Pakistan as it could better serve Indian interest in the region. In this respect, while opposing the two nation theory and creation of Pakistan, it elaborated: “The ugly separatist face of the agitation in the Valley (Kashmir) today is the consequence of the dereliction of the fundamental duty by the Indian Union.” In this connection, the article encouraged Hindu religious forces at the cost of secular character of India.
Indian Defence Review further pointed out: “With Pakistan on the brink of collapse, it is matter of time before it ceases to exist…multiple benefits will accrue to India…Balochistan will achieve independence. For New Delhi, this opens a window of opportunity to ensure that the Gwadar port does not fall into the hands of the Chinese. Afghanistan will gain fair amount of stability. India’s access to Central Asian energy routes will open up. Sindh and most of the non-Punjabi areas of Pakistan will be our new friends.”
Indian anti-Pakistan plan has also been endorsed by a 72-page white paper handed over to its Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in the aftermath of Mumbai carnage. The paper, titled, War on Terror: The Agenda for Action, advised New Delhi to “exploit the divisions within Pakistan and expose its weaknesses in Balochistan, FATA and Azad Kashmir,” including building of pressure on Islamabad especially by the US.
Notably, on March 22, 2009, David Kilcullen, a top adviser to the US Gen. David H. Petraeus disclosed during his interview to the Washington Post, “The Pakistani state could collapse within six months.” Intermittently, some US high officials and thinktants have also predicted instability or lawlessness in Pakistan in one or the other way. Nevertheless, US, India and Israel are in collusion to destabilise or disintegrate our country through their secret agencies owing to a number of common strategic goals such as depriving Pakistan of nuclear assets, occupying Gwader port which links Central and South Asia, thwarting the interests of China and Iran in the region and making India a superpower of Asia. Due to its strategic location, Pakistan has become direct target of unrest, created by the external secret agencies through a perennial wave of suicide attacks and assaults on security forces, which began from tribal areas and Balochistan have now reached Lahore. Apart from other nefarious purposes against Islamabad, New Delhi’s plot against Pakistan is based upon century’s old animosity of Hindus against Muslims as partition of the Indian Sub-continental remains fresh in their minds.
Pakistan shares a common border with India and Afghanistan, so it becomes easy for Indian RAW to send its trained agents in Pakistan with the clandestine help of Mossad and CIA. In Wakhan, a religious Madrassa of the Indian Muslim clerics is functioning under the patronage of RAW. Very young boys including Afghans, recruits are mostly from Central Asia, bordering Afghanistan. Thus more than 20,000 ideologically motivated terrorists are continuously being infiltrated into troubled spots of Pakistan. Posing as volunteers, they join the Taliban militants to fight against our security forces and to conduct multiple subversive acts. At some places of our country, RAW’s Afghan agents are also actively involved in fuelling sectarian violence and killing of religious leaders.
In fact, by taking advantage of War On Terror, with the help of Indian-home grown terrorists and some of Pakistani militants, Indian RAW has become pro-active to arrange any terrorist event in Pakistan as recently noted in Lahore or in Indian Mumbai on November 26 last year and then to manipulate the same against Islamabad. This exploitation also entails every such militant attack which is being conducted by the freedom fighters who are struggling for the liberation of their lands from the alien rule either in Afghanistan or Kashmir.
As already mentioned, the interior adviser, Rehman Malik, has held Baitullah Mehsud responsible for the terrorist carnage in Lahore, while referring to a foreign hand in that regard. He did not name any country because at present, Pakistan is facing multi-faceted crises which have compelled it to depend upon the US-led international community. And Islamabad had to accept the undue demands of Washington as recently it accepted some false demands in relation to Mumbai mayhem, thought that episode was actually prepared by the Indian RAW not only to distort the image of Pakistan, but also to isolate it diplomatically. The events like attacks on Sri Lanka’s cricket team and police facility at Manawa in Lahore were also part of this conspiracy. Although Rehman Malik could not disclose facts, yet his assertions endorse many ground realities.
As regard Bailtullah Mehsud, reports suggest that the US military commanders had been provided with his exact location on many occasions in the past, but the CIA-operated predators did not hunt him as he is Pakistan’s real enemy who masterminded almost every suicide operation in the country. He plays a key role in instigating the peace-loving Taliban against Islamabad. The US military has launched missile strikes to a precise location at very short notice, and killed high-profile leaders of Al Qaeda in Pakistan’s tribal regions, but Mehsud is free to move in Waziristan or other places of FATA, sometimes addressing press conferences and sometimes meeting journalists. With the direct help of RAW and indirect backing of CIA, he collects information on Pakistani troop movements from an unidentified foreign source. On the other hand, US military and high officials accuse Pakistan’s army and ISI of close links with Mehsud. Nonetheless, Mehsud like other secret agents is part of US and Indian double game in weakening the federation of Pakistan. It is due to these reasons that he will never favour a peace pact between the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan of Waziristan and the government of Pakistan. Event then, it is concluded in future, he will castigate the same under one or the other pretext.
Returning to our earlier discussion, like other terrorist incidents, attack at Manawan police training centre in Lahore was sponsored by Indian intelligence agency RAW. And Bailtullah Mehsud along with RAW-paid local agents of our country played his sinister role in accordance with the Indian agenda. Every Pakistani patriot must remain vigilant as the wave of Indian-sponsored terrorism which started from FATA and Balochistan has, now, reached Lahore. No doubt, India which finances and trains insurgents to commit terrorist operations, wants total break down of institutions in Pakistan.
Sajjad Shaukat writes on international affairs and is author of the book: US vs Islamic Militants, Invisible Balance of Power: Dangerous Shift in International Relations.
http://www.kashmirwatch.com/showart...chive=&start_from=&ucat=3&var0news=value0news
Kashmir Watch, April 1
By Sajjad Shaukat
It is a good sign that after eight hours exchange of fire on March 30, 2009, our security forces regained the control of Police Training Center the at Manawa, Lahore, capturing five terrorists alive, who prove useful in the investigation. In less than a month, after similar pattern of assault on Sri Lanka’s visiting cricket team, this major attack on the police academy which killed 11 persons and injured more than 90 individuals in the heart of Lahore, underscores the course of threat. It was well-organized and highly coordinated act, while terrorists used hand grenades and sophisticated weapons.
On the same day, Mr Rehman Malik, the Interior Advisor pointed out Baitullah Mehsud, chief of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) as the planner and executioner of the terrorist operation, also indicated reference to a “foreign hand to be on the safe side.” On March 31, Mehsud claimed responsibility for the Manawan attack, and threatened to carry out similar operations in Lahore and other parts of Punjab including US homeland in future. Regarding Lahore mayhem, he told BBC Urdu over the telephone from an undisclosed location, “These attacks were in reaction to US drone strikes in the tribal areas.” However, among the captured fugitives, one was Afghan national, and police arrested around 50 suspected persons from various parts of Lahore on his disclosure. While a number of questions arise in the minds of every Pakistani in connection with Lahore debacle�who was involved, why it happened and what were the aims behind that terrorist event. These queries need logical conclusion to sort out the real culprits.
First of all, statement of Bailtullah Mehsud, leader of the TTP, itself, requires special attention. After spreading terrorism in Pakistan’s Frontier Province, he has repeatedly warned to target Lahore, other parts of Punjab and Karachi. He has started implementing his nefarious game. Unlike the Swat-based Taliban who signed a peace agreement with the provincial government in the recent past, Mehsud whose insurgents are most active in Waziristan and other related tribal agencies, flatly refused to initiate or conclude any such peace accord. As a matter of fact, Bailtullah Mehsud is direct agent of Indian intelligence agency, RAW and indirect agent of American CIA. Just like his patrons, while, playing a double game, his main purpose is to destablise Pakistan in order to fulfill the sinister designs of his paymasters. Mehsud whose insurgents get arms and ammunition from Afghanistan where Indian RAW and military troops are well-entrenched against Pakistan, is allowed to condemn US drones attacks and New Delhi’s anti-Pakistan policies so that his followers do not doubt his integrity.
There is similarity in anti-Pakistan designs, being acted upon by our enemies, if we witness the ongoing phenomenon of sabotage in our country in wake of various developments. In this context, an article, published in the “Indian Defence Review,” Jan-Mar 2009 under the caption: Stable Pakistan not in India’s Interest, suggested the disintegration of Pakistan as it could better serve Indian interest in the region. In this respect, while opposing the two nation theory and creation of Pakistan, it elaborated: “The ugly separatist face of the agitation in the Valley (Kashmir) today is the consequence of the dereliction of the fundamental duty by the Indian Union.” In this connection, the article encouraged Hindu religious forces at the cost of secular character of India.
Indian Defence Review further pointed out: “With Pakistan on the brink of collapse, it is matter of time before it ceases to exist…multiple benefits will accrue to India…Balochistan will achieve independence. For New Delhi, this opens a window of opportunity to ensure that the Gwadar port does not fall into the hands of the Chinese. Afghanistan will gain fair amount of stability. India’s access to Central Asian energy routes will open up. Sindh and most of the non-Punjabi areas of Pakistan will be our new friends.”
Indian anti-Pakistan plan has also been endorsed by a 72-page white paper handed over to its Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in the aftermath of Mumbai carnage. The paper, titled, War on Terror: The Agenda for Action, advised New Delhi to “exploit the divisions within Pakistan and expose its weaknesses in Balochistan, FATA and Azad Kashmir,” including building of pressure on Islamabad especially by the US.
Notably, on March 22, 2009, David Kilcullen, a top adviser to the US Gen. David H. Petraeus disclosed during his interview to the Washington Post, “The Pakistani state could collapse within six months.” Intermittently, some US high officials and thinktants have also predicted instability or lawlessness in Pakistan in one or the other way. Nevertheless, US, India and Israel are in collusion to destabilise or disintegrate our country through their secret agencies owing to a number of common strategic goals such as depriving Pakistan of nuclear assets, occupying Gwader port which links Central and South Asia, thwarting the interests of China and Iran in the region and making India a superpower of Asia. Due to its strategic location, Pakistan has become direct target of unrest, created by the external secret agencies through a perennial wave of suicide attacks and assaults on security forces, which began from tribal areas and Balochistan have now reached Lahore. Apart from other nefarious purposes against Islamabad, New Delhi’s plot against Pakistan is based upon century’s old animosity of Hindus against Muslims as partition of the Indian Sub-continental remains fresh in their minds.
Pakistan shares a common border with India and Afghanistan, so it becomes easy for Indian RAW to send its trained agents in Pakistan with the clandestine help of Mossad and CIA. In Wakhan, a religious Madrassa of the Indian Muslim clerics is functioning under the patronage of RAW. Very young boys including Afghans, recruits are mostly from Central Asia, bordering Afghanistan. Thus more than 20,000 ideologically motivated terrorists are continuously being infiltrated into troubled spots of Pakistan. Posing as volunteers, they join the Taliban militants to fight against our security forces and to conduct multiple subversive acts. At some places of our country, RAW’s Afghan agents are also actively involved in fuelling sectarian violence and killing of religious leaders.
In fact, by taking advantage of War On Terror, with the help of Indian-home grown terrorists and some of Pakistani militants, Indian RAW has become pro-active to arrange any terrorist event in Pakistan as recently noted in Lahore or in Indian Mumbai on November 26 last year and then to manipulate the same against Islamabad. This exploitation also entails every such militant attack which is being conducted by the freedom fighters who are struggling for the liberation of their lands from the alien rule either in Afghanistan or Kashmir.
As already mentioned, the interior adviser, Rehman Malik, has held Baitullah Mehsud responsible for the terrorist carnage in Lahore, while referring to a foreign hand in that regard. He did not name any country because at present, Pakistan is facing multi-faceted crises which have compelled it to depend upon the US-led international community. And Islamabad had to accept the undue demands of Washington as recently it accepted some false demands in relation to Mumbai mayhem, thought that episode was actually prepared by the Indian RAW not only to distort the image of Pakistan, but also to isolate it diplomatically. The events like attacks on Sri Lanka’s cricket team and police facility at Manawa in Lahore were also part of this conspiracy. Although Rehman Malik could not disclose facts, yet his assertions endorse many ground realities.
As regard Bailtullah Mehsud, reports suggest that the US military commanders had been provided with his exact location on many occasions in the past, but the CIA-operated predators did not hunt him as he is Pakistan’s real enemy who masterminded almost every suicide operation in the country. He plays a key role in instigating the peace-loving Taliban against Islamabad. The US military has launched missile strikes to a precise location at very short notice, and killed high-profile leaders of Al Qaeda in Pakistan’s tribal regions, but Mehsud is free to move in Waziristan or other places of FATA, sometimes addressing press conferences and sometimes meeting journalists. With the direct help of RAW and indirect backing of CIA, he collects information on Pakistani troop movements from an unidentified foreign source. On the other hand, US military and high officials accuse Pakistan’s army and ISI of close links with Mehsud. Nonetheless, Mehsud like other secret agents is part of US and Indian double game in weakening the federation of Pakistan. It is due to these reasons that he will never favour a peace pact between the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan of Waziristan and the government of Pakistan. Event then, it is concluded in future, he will castigate the same under one or the other pretext.
Returning to our earlier discussion, like other terrorist incidents, attack at Manawan police training centre in Lahore was sponsored by Indian intelligence agency RAW. And Bailtullah Mehsud along with RAW-paid local agents of our country played his sinister role in accordance with the Indian agenda. Every Pakistani patriot must remain vigilant as the wave of Indian-sponsored terrorism which started from FATA and Balochistan has, now, reached Lahore. No doubt, India which finances and trains insurgents to commit terrorist operations, wants total break down of institutions in Pakistan.
Sajjad Shaukat writes on international affairs and is author of the book: US vs Islamic Militants, Invisible Balance of Power: Dangerous Shift in International Relations.
http://www.kashmirwatch.com/showart...chive=&start_from=&ucat=3&var0news=value0news
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Asim,
I think the only white guy that's spoken with OBL was Peter Bergen and he's a Brit who's worked off and on for CNN.
You can correct me on that but that's the only I recall. Too, his interview was in the late 90's it seems-before 9/11.
I think there are some differences and OBL did come to mind as I was writing my post. Primarily, we're assured that Mehsud lives. Second-we're virtually assured that Mehsud doesn so within S. Waziristan-however large that is.
With OBL he could be dead and, if alive, anywhere. I think Chitral myself but that's just me.
I think the only white guy that's spoken with OBL was Peter Bergen and he's a Brit who's worked off and on for CNN.
You can correct me on that but that's the only I recall. Too, his interview was in the late 90's it seems-before 9/11.
I think there are some differences and OBL did come to mind as I was writing my post. Primarily, we're assured that Mehsud lives. Second-we're virtually assured that Mehsud doesn so within S. Waziristan-however large that is.
With OBL he could be dead and, if alive, anywhere. I think Chitral myself but that's just me.
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I read your post and got a giggle. I picked Chitral for the same reason that Omar 1984 made his disclaimer-it's beautiful.
So for a laugh I google "chitral real estate services" and, guess what, I get this hit.
So, wtf, over. I've been kickin' this locale in my head since 2006 or so. So have our some of our intel guys. Then again, we'd allocate assets to look EVERYWHERE.
I know. There's no way ol' S-2 came to this independant of the finest minds in American intel but, indeed, it seems so.
It's a beauty thing, man. OBL doesn't know which day is his last and he's definitely on borrowed time. He wants to groove on the majesty of it all from his own eagle's airie (to borrow another mountainous place and name) That's the place to do it.
If he can reduce his electronic signature to nil, he can't be found very easily and a company might be able to defend him for a century. Probably a skier too. Any slopes or are they all in SWAT?
That's the next place I'd check if Faizullah and Mohammad would let me. Still want to do some fishing there.
So for a laugh I google "chitral real estate services" and, guess what, I get this hit.
So, wtf, over. I've been kickin' this locale in my head since 2006 or so. So have our some of our intel guys. Then again, we'd allocate assets to look EVERYWHERE.
I know. There's no way ol' S-2 came to this independant of the finest minds in American intel but, indeed, it seems so.
It's a beauty thing, man. OBL doesn't know which day is his last and he's definitely on borrowed time. He wants to groove on the majesty of it all from his own eagle's airie (to borrow another mountainous place and name) That's the place to do it.
If he can reduce his electronic signature to nil, he can't be found very easily and a company might be able to defend him for a century. Probably a skier too. Any slopes or are they all in SWAT?
That's the next place I'd check if Faizullah and Mohammad would let me. Still want to do some fishing there.
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Pakistan did not zero in on Baituallah rather US had given a green signal to get Baitullah killed to avoid flowing of information y Baitullah about CIA involvement in nurturing TTP.
Sources closed to Hakimullah the top leader of TTP after Baitullah has confirmed that US has apporved killing of Baitullah.
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We had at least two near misses on him last year-June and early October, IIRC.
We've been after him for awhile not that anybody seems to have paid attention. fatman17 got the links from me on a similar thread and concurred. I'm sure he would again.
Funny that for all the outrage that's been repeatedly tossed about America intentionally avoiding the PLEAS of the ISI to nail him based upon stone-cold, rock-solid info, there's been nothing since. Ever.
One story unconfirmed. One time...unconfirmed
Trail went cold for ever and ever.
Meanwhile, let's permanently put away here the notion that any of us understand the specifics and availability of PREDATOR/REAPER at any given time.
We don't. None of us. What happens, where, when and why are all beyond us. Any of us. What's left is amateur speculation. Since that's all about sources and methods we won't be reading these stories anytime soon.
Least not while PREDATOR is buzzing the Islamic Caliphate of Pashtunistan.
We've been after him for awhile not that anybody seems to have paid attention. fatman17 got the links from me on a similar thread and concurred. I'm sure he would again.
Funny that for all the outrage that's been repeatedly tossed about America intentionally avoiding the PLEAS of the ISI to nail him based upon stone-cold, rock-solid info, there's been nothing since. Ever.
One story unconfirmed. One time...unconfirmed
Trail went cold for ever and ever.
Meanwhile, let's permanently put away here the notion that any of us understand the specifics and availability of PREDATOR/REAPER at any given time.
We don't. None of us. What happens, where, when and why are all beyond us. Any of us. What's left is amateur speculation. Since that's all about sources and methods we won't be reading these stories anytime soon.
Least not while PREDATOR is buzzing the Islamic Caliphate of Pashtunistan.
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Afghan Governments Advisor, Ehsanullah Aryanzai on sidelines of Pak-Afghan Parliamentary Jirga said "India is using Afghan soil to destabilize Pakistan and Afghan security agencies are unable to stop Indian intervention due to absence of centralized government mechanism."
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you have proof as stated by many here?
I'd like to welcome you to the real world. this is not a theological debate where you can treat PDF as a holy book, use circular logic and treat hatred and blind belief as 'evidence'.
what mush said was for public consumption, and what mush said is just that - what mush said
Real world! your so called real world is hardly real for you maybe but not for us. As for the proofs what do you mean i have proofs, dude GOP on record has said, this one and previous one that Indian consulates are spreading terror inside Pakistan, bhuggti is being supported by India and now this Mehsud guy too Moreover you may want to give what ever color to Musharraf, fact is it is anything but for public consumption. He meant every word of that. It was Musharraf who raised the issue at the first place during his tenure and that is why the relationship between Karzai and Musharraf got so tense that they refused to shake hand even while Bush was standing between them.
Karzai not sparing go one moment where he wouldn't spit venom against Pakistan, dalal bhuggti given shelter in the afghan palace, Indian agents being arrested in Lahore, first the attacks on the Srilankan team, now the police training center, do you serious believe Pakistan doesn't know who's behind all of this, well think again. The only thing is when will GOP do something about it for a change.
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You win.
By saying all those things once again, you just created more proof. Thank you.
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