Rapprochement with Pakistan not on cards: Israel

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bhai we also have pictures of Nawaz-not-so-Sharif (good one btw ) cuddling with his bff Modi.

I know some Palestinians here in Germany. They are involved in criminal activity, domestic abuse of their wives, in massive social fraud and are disgustingly rascist towards non-Arabs. But they pull the Muslim card if they need you. I once was in one of their stores and they started guilt-tripping me in buying their clothes. Come on brother, support your Palestinians brothers and stuff like that (I am not into it, you cannot guilt-trip me into buying your useless stuff ). Their activity is mostly begging other Muslims to act on their behalf and shout anti-Israel slogans. This is my personal experience with Palestinians.

BUT
As Muslims we are obliged to do the good and right and reject the false. I know - and this is way I love Pakistanis so much - we Pakistanis cannot understand why the leaders of KSA or UAE or Palestine are cuddling with our enemy, that also happens to be an idol-worshipping muslim-killing tyrant. Our parents told us from day one that there is something called Muslim brotherhood, the Ummah concept. And this is beautiful!

We cannot condemn all the Palestinians/Arabs for the things their leaders do. You see my personal experience with them was also not nice, but I still have sympathy for their cause. This doesn't mean that I totally ignore the issues in Pakistan. Pakistan comes first to me because it's also our religious duty to look after OURSELVES FIRST. Latter one no Mullah or Super-Muslim will tell you. First you check on yourself, then your family ,then your neighbourhood and so forth.

I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say, “Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.” [Muslim]

Don't become cold in your heart when you see all the bad things happening to us Pakistans caused by our "fellow" Muslims.

It's not just the Palestinians or Arabs but virtually ALL OTHER non-Pakistani Muslims have no concept of "Muslim brotherhood" or of following Islam piously.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Are you on a mission to convert the Muslims world to Israeli cucks like some Arabs??

No, I my real mission is to stop Pakistani's being American cucks like you.

 

[Kambojaric]

It has been so clear that Indonesian foreign ministry has denied such thing can happen. I dont know why until so far there are so many media that continue blowing such news

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"There are two things that I would like to say. First, the Foreign Affairs Ministry has never been in contact with Israel. Secondly, when it comes to running foreign policy, the Foreign Affairs Ministry is still consistent with Palestine in accordance with the mandate of the constitution," Teuku said in Jakarta on Monday.

Indonesia Denies in Talks with Israel

Indonesia denies Israeli media claims of normalizing ties with Israel and thus reaffirming their unwavering support for Palestine.

jakartaglobe.id

Fair enough. I find it a stretch as said hence the tag. To be honest none of the large nations east of Pakistan seem to be realistic candidates. All like Pakistan have democratic traditions unlike the monarchies of the Arabian peninsula where the ruling monarch can make drastic traditions and face no consequences from the populace. In our nations the ruling government would receive serious domestic backlash for taking a pro-Israel position so it seems extremely unlikely that any Israel-recognition will be coming from this end of the world.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Has anyone noticed the new trend with religious Non-Arab Muslims born in the UK speaking English with a twinge of an Arab accent?......... ..........happens quite a lot in Islam channel (sky digital channel 737).............

 

[El Sidd]

Freedom of expression is fine. What has Israel done that a lot of other countries have not done ?

I don't know. They should do more to get Pakistan's attention

 

[Itachi]

No, I my real mission is to stop Pakistani's being American cucks like you.

I am not. You seem to have me confused with someone else.

 

[Itachi]

Nah, your aborn and bred cuck. A American cuck.

Now you're talking like a dehati aurat......your inner self comes out.

 

[Capt. Karnage]

Israeli minister says more countries lined up to normalise relations with Israel but ruled out Pakistan being one of them.

In recent months, the Trump administration has brokered rapprochements between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco [Ronen Zvulun/Reuters]
24 Dec 2020
Pakistan is not among the Muslim countries Israel is aiming to normalise relations with, an Israeli cabinet minister said.
In recent months, the Trump administration has brokered rapprochements between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco.
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Ofir Akunis, Israel’s regional cooperation minister, told Ynet TV on Wednesday that there were two more countries lined up to normalise ties with Israel before US President Donald Trump leaves the White House next month.
He did not name either but said one was in the Gulf but would not be Saudi Arabia.
The other, further to the east, is a “Muslim country that is not small” but is not Pakistan, Akunis said.



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Earlier this week, Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said Islamabad cannot recognise Israel until the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is resolved.

“I categorically presented Pakistan’s stance on Israel to the UAE’s foreign minister [during a visit to the UAE] that we will not and cannot establish a relationship with Israel until a concrete and permanent solution to the Palestine issue is found,” Qureshi said.
Qureshi’s statement came days after his visit to the UAE, which was seen by many as crucial amid rumours that Islamabad had secretly sent a messenger to Israel.
Islamabad denied the reports, which appeared mainly in the Israeli media.


Responding to questions regarding reports about alleged pressure from Saudi Arabia, the UAE and other Gulf states for the recognition of Israel, Qureshi said he explained to his UAE counterpart the “depth of emotions and feelings Pakistanis have about Palestine and Kashmir”.
Meanwhile, Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country, said last week it would not recognise Israel as long as Palestinian statehood demands remain unmet. Malaysia has signalled a similar policy.
In Dhaka, a foreign ministry official said Bangladesh was not interested in establishing diplomatic ties with Israel.

“Our position remains the same,” he told the Reuters news agency.
Oman has praised the US-brokered diplomatic drive but has not commented on its own prospects of forging Israel ties.
The Palestinians, whose negotiations with Israel stalled in 2014, fear being sidelined by the normalisation process.

Israel says Pakistan not among states it may have ties with

Israeli minister says more countries lined up to normalise relations with Israel but ruled out Pakistan being one.

www.aljazeera.com

Like I have been saying about the issue of pakistan recognising Israel, it won't matter much to Israel whether or not pakistan recognises her as pakistan doesn't have much clout in the international community. Israel have the backing of powerful nations like the US, Saudi, China, India etc and that's enough. Israel is a reality that the Muslim world must accept and move on if they want peaceful development.

 

[Nasr]

Can you name those states? and what's the basis of your fatwa?

First off, there is no such thing "here" as what you have defined as a fatwa. Since the creation of the state of israel is both illegal and illegitimate. It's creation is illegitimate, since the very basis of isreal's creation stands on the God's Covenant with Prophet Abraham. I trust you know what that is, right?

The zionists argue that the Covenant is "unconditional" and as such, they alone have the right to the Holy Land. Whereas the Noble Qur'an testifies to the criminal acts of the Temple Rabbis, King Herod ll and his wife, of the murders of the Prophets of God, namely John (Yahya Alaihi Salam), Zachariah (Zakariyyah Alaihi Salam) and the plot (that failed) to crucify Jesus the Messiah (Isa Alaihi Salam). The Noble Qur'an clearly states that the Covenant is not unconditional, that those of Prophet Abraham's progeny that commit acts of wickedness, are expelled from God's Covenant with Prophet Abraham (Alaihi Salam).

"And [We cursed them] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their killing of the prophets without right and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few."

Surah Nisa, 4:155

"And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."

Surah Nisa, 4:157



And again, historical records and the Noble Qur'an testify that the Temple Mount was destroyed twice and the Jews were expelled from the Holy Land twice. The first time it was a Babylonian Army, led by their King Nebuchadnezzar, who defeated and utterly destroyed the Holy State of Israel (of King & Prophet Solomon) as a consequence of the Jews committing acts of wickedness after Prophet Soloman (Alaihi Salam) left this world. The Jews were enslaved and taken back to Babylon, to languish in slavery.

The second time, was a Roman Army, led by the future Emperor of Rome, Vespasian who laid seige on the City of Jerusalem until the Roman Army managed to break through and destroy the second Temple Mount (built by King Herod of the Jews). Ultimately, the Roman Army sacked the City of Jerusalem and killed thousands of Jews there. A monument of which, still stands in the Roma Capitale (Capital City of the Roman Empire), called the Arc of Titus.

“And there is a ban on (the people of) a town (Jerusalem) which We destroyed: that they (the people of the town i.e Jews) shall not return (to reclaim their town) until Gog and Magog are released and (eventually) they descend from every height (or spread out in every direction).”

(Qur’an, al-Anbiyah, 21:95-6)

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I care less if some choose to side with them, the ones who continue to defy the commands of Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah. My objective is to defend my faith in Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah, study the Noble Quran and stand behind my Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

Those who have accepted the illegal and illegitimate state of israel, do not stand behind Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. Since our beloved Prophet (Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam) has spoken of the return of Isa Alaihi Salam and that He (Alaihi Salam) shall pursue and kill Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) in the town of Ludd. Present day Ludd (spelt as Lod by the isrealis themselves), is situated 16 kilometers, South East of it's capital, Tel Aviv.

As for the Muslim countries' leaderships that have shamelessly, disgracefully and sinfully recognized the illegal state of israel .... what fate awaits them, it is Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah who shall judge them. I pray for HIS justice to come swiftly against those who lie, cheat, deceive, murder and plunder draped in the cloak of pseudo innocense.

 

[Nasr]

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You are right but except for Pakistani Muslims, non-Pakistani Muslims do NOT give a damn or two hoots about betraying Islam. Especially if they benefit from it.

Well then, when they betray Islam and join the ranks of those have recognized the illegal, illegitimate and criminal state of israel. Then they and their friends should wait for what fate awaits them. The punishment from Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah will be just and those who have Imaan, will rejoice when it is done.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Well then, when they betray Islam and join the ranks of those have recognized the illegal, illegitimate and criminal state of israel. Then they and their friends should wait for what fate awaits them. The punishment from Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah will be just and those who have Imaan, will rejoice when it is done.

But they believe that we Pakistanis will go to hell for not accepting Israel not the other way around.

 

[Nasr]

But they believe that we Pakistanis will go to hell for not accepting Israel not the other way around.

My dear brother, those who argue how you have described, are those who have abandoned the Noble Quran.

Let me be very clear about one thing, I do not claim to be right about anything. But I do firmly claim that all Muslims must approach the Noble Quran with sincerity in their hearts. As a Muslim, the Noble Qur'an is our only source of knowledge and it was sent to our Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

 

[kingQamaR]

Pakistani state, can never recognise Israel while it ignores its UN resolutions obligations which it agreed to honour but does not ... lol

and this simply means we destroy our Kashmiri resolutions. by recognising this state which routinely breaks un resolution

and why , we also recently helped a Azerbaijani to implement theres UN resolution on Armenia

Good night

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

My dear brother, those who argue how you have described, are those who have abandoned the Noble Quran.

Let me be very clear about one thing, I do not claim to be right about anything. But I do firmly claim that all Muslims must approach the Noble Quran with sincerity in their hearts. As a Muslim, the Noble Qur'an is our only source of knowledge and it was sent to our Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

In essence I agree with you but in reality you will be SHOCKED at how many Muslims especially those from the Middle East have and are abandoning Islam. The acceptance of Israel by the gulfis is a by-product of this. It seems that only Pakistanis care about Islam. All other Muslims are become secular and UnIslamic. Sad but true.

 

[BATMAN]

Has anyone noticed the new trend with religious Non-Arab Muslims born in the UK speaking English with a twinge of an Arab accent?......... ..........happens quite a lot in Islam channel (sky digital channel 737).............

Pakistani haters who have been in UK by virtue of asylum by Queen, can already bee seen hostile to Arabs in UK, but this discussion you shall not start here!
Plenty of you tube videos are available in public media, both even getting physical and simmering hate can be seen easily but you clearly seem to be well aware.

First off, there is no such thing "here" as what you have defined as a fatwa. Since the creation of the state of israel is both illegal and illegitimate. It's creation is illegitimate, since the very basis of isreal's creation stands on the God's Covenant with Prophet Abraham. I trust you know what that is, right?

The zionists argue that the Covenant is "unconditional" and as such, they alone have the right to the Holy Land. Whereas the Noble Qur'an testifies to the criminal acts of the Temple Rabbis, King Herod ll and his wife, of the murders of the Prophets of God, namely John (Yahya Alaihi Salam), Zachariah (Zakariyyah Alaihi Salam) and the plot (that failed) to crucify Jesus the Messiah (Isa Alaihi Salam). The Noble Qur'an clearly states that the Covenant is not unconditional, that those of Prophet Abraham's progeny that commit acts of wickedness, are expelled from God's Covenant with Prophet Abraham (Alaihi Salam).

"And [We cursed them] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and their killing of the prophets without right and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few."

Surah Nisa, 4:155

"And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain."

Surah Nisa, 4:157



And again, historical records and the Noble Qur'an testify that the Temple Mount was destroyed twice and the Jews were expelled from the Holy Land twice. The first time it was a Babylonian Army, led by their King Nebuchadnezzar, who defeated and utterly destroyed the Holy State of Israel (of King & Prophet Solomon) as a consequence of the Jews committing acts of wickedness after Prophet Soloman (Alaihi Salam) left this world. The Jews were enslaved and taken back to Babylon, to languish in slavery.

The second time, was a Roman Army, led by the future Emperor of Rome, Vespasian who laid seige on the City of Jerusalem until the Roman Army managed to break through and destroy the second Temple Mount (built by King Herod of the Jews). Ultimately, the Roman Army sacked the City of Jerusalem and killed thousands of Jews there. A monument of which, still stands in the Roma Capitale (Capital City of the Roman Empire), called the Arc of Titus.

“And there is a ban on (the people of) a town (Jerusalem) which We destroyed: that they (the people of the town i.e Jews) shall not return (to reclaim their town) until Gog and Magog are released and (eventually) they descend from every height (or spread out in every direction).”

(Qur’an, al-Anbiyah, 21:95-6)

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I care less if some choose to side with them, the ones who continue to defy the commands of Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah. My objective is to defend my faith in Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah, study the Noble Quran and stand behind my Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam.

Those who have accepted the illegal and illegitimate state of israel, do not stand behind Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam. Since our beloved Prophet (Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam) has spoken of the return of Isa Alaihi Salam and that He (Alaihi Salam) shall pursue and kill Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) in the town of Ludd. Present day Ludd (spelt as Lod by the isrealis themselves), is situated 16 kilometers, South East of it's capital, Tel Aviv.

As for the Muslim countries' leaderships that have shamelessly, disgracefully and sinfully recognized the illegal state of israel .... what fate awaits them, it is Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah who shall judge them. I pray for HIS justice to come swiftly against those who lie, cheat, deceive, murder and plunder draped in the cloak of pseudo innocense.

I couldn't find the name of the states which you claimed in your original post, which i quoted.
So again, i'm waiting on that.
Fatwa was part of your post.
My Islam is not same as your Islam... i can carry out further discussion if @WebMaster grant me same concessions as given to you.