Ranjit Singh : The Quintessential Indus Man

[Samandri]

I don't have a very high opinion of ranjeet singh not because of religion, but because of his particular promotion of a very hegemonic type of Punjabi dominance , the after effects of which I think , is still prevalent in the Pakistani society , though the successful promotion of Urdu as a lingua franca in Punjab , has somewhat restrained it, but its still there

as for bravery the Sikh are good but in my opinion if anyone deserves the respect of the Pashtuns then it is the Ghurkha's , what's your opinion on this

ps: if you want we can open a separate thread for it

I dont know man, Sikhs came to our areas as conquerers and beat us. We have memories and stories to tell about sikh rule. But our people didnt see gurkhas more than the soldiers of British army. I mean we were fighting angraiz as enemy, their sepoys were not that noticeable. For example there were also punjabi musalman in ranjeet singh army, but they were not noticeble to us, they were all sikhs to us. The thread on it would be surely interesting for discussion

 

[dil_dil]

I don't have a very high opinion of ranjeet singh not because of religion, but because of his particular promotion of a very hegemonic type of Punjabi dominance , the after effects of which I think , is still prevalent in the Pakistani society , though the successful promotion of Urdu as a lingua franca in Punjab , has somewhat restrained it, but its still there

as for bravery the Sikh are good but in my opinion if anyone deserves the respect of the Pashtuns then it is the Ghurkha's , what's your opinion on this

ps: if you want we can open a separate thread for it

Please open the thread, it will be interesting topic from muhajir POV.

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

I dont know man, Sikhs came to our areas as conquerers and beat us. We have memories and stories to tell about sikh rule. But our people didnt see gurkhas more than the soldiers of British army. I mean we were fighting angraiz as enemy, their sepoys were not that noticeable. For example there were also punjabi musalman in ranjeet singh army, but they were not noticeble to us, they were all sikhs to us. The thread on it would be surely interesting for discussion

Brother Brits were not the first people to use gurkhas against the afghans I suggest you read about the battle of naushera which was a decisive victory for sikhs gurkhas participated in it under balbhardra
I think this may be a news to you see when gurkhas invaded punjab hills raja sansar chand the king of kangra invited sher-e-punjab to fight against gurkhas sikhs under kunwar naunihal singh (son of sher-e-punjab) managed to defeat them and later many of the deserter gurkhas were made part of Fauj-I-khas
Gurkas were very loyal soldiers One thing you will not believe is that during anglo sikh battles gurkhas of the sikh army fought against the gurkhas of British army .
Maharaja ranjit singh was a true indian although 80% of his army was of the sikhs he employed dogras ,Gurkhas ,Punjabi Muslims and he was the first indian king to use Dalits (low caste/shudras ) of both Hindu and Muslim community as soldiers.

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

Nope thats not the case, young men usually have moustaches while middle ones and old ones grow beards. What i meant was, that clean-shaved face is frowned upon, you are taunted for that. I dont know what you meant by infidel thing buts its more than religous, it is also embedded in culture. A clean-shaved man is considered hijra and womanish among pashtuns. In my area if some one dares to clean-shave or wear pant shirts, he is mocked "punjabay" (must be sounding racist, but the first clean-shaved ones with modren outlook that we saw, were either angraiz or punjabis..also generally punjabis are looked down upon by us for not being conservative, and not sticking to traditions and values)

Yes same thing in my part of the world but they don't use the word Hijra they use khusra and ran janana

And you do sound racist you don't become great by looking down upon anyone let those fellows do what they want to its a free world after all .

 

[dil_dil]

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Maharaja ranjit singh was a true indian although 80% of his army was of the sikhs he employed dogras ,Gurkhas ,Punjabi Muslims and he was the first indian king to use Dalits (low caste/shudras ) of both Hindu and Muslim community as soldiers.

30-35% of converted sikhs were dalits and part of sikh army. I doubt there were many non-sikhs in RS army. Anyway you are right, before that brahmin had to make dalits in to rajputs to join other rajputs. Sikh religion instead allowed them to preserve their identity and become soldier at the same time.

 

[INDIC]

Yes same thing in my part of the world but they don't use the word Hijra they use khusra and ran janana

And you do sound racist you don't become great by looking down upon anyone let those fellows do what they want to its a free world after all .

I have similar slang for people without mustache.

 

[dil_dil]

Yes same thing in my part of the world but they don't use the word Hijra they use khusra and ran janana

And you do sound racist you don't become great by looking down upon anyone let those fellows do what they want to its a free world after all .

You basically called @jatt+gutts (he is clean shaved) khusra and ran janana, this is racism also.

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

I just forgot to mention purbias who were also part of the Maharajas army purbia means some one from the east that is soldiers from Bihar and Uttar Pradesh .

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

I have similar slang for people without mustache.

Surprise me

 

[INDIC]

Surprise me

The 'girlish look' is the most common slang hurled on people with no mustache.

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

You basically called @jatt+gutts (he is clean shaved) khusra and ran janana, this is racism also.

I did not

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

The 'girlish look' is the most common slang hurled on people with no mustache.

Yes that's common but you know shehri babus prefer to stay that way .

 

[INDIC]

I did not

BTW in Pakistan, they have a fashion of combing their hair from middle of the scalp as girls do. I am sure @oye_natta must be having same style without a mustache.

 

[Sam_Bajwa]

BTW in Pakistan, they have a fashion of combing their hair from middle of scalp as girls do. I am sure @oye_natta must be having same style without a mustache.

 

[INDIC]

Me referring to this, bilkul @RazPaK jaisa dikhta hai.