Rangers recover arms from mosque in Karachi

[Developereo]

Arrest the mullah in charge of the mosque. Make it clear that there is no tolerance for desecrating a place or worship.

Any other mullahs across the country who make noise should also be arrested for encouraging desecration of mosques.

 

[TruthSeeker]

the lack of capitalization is deliberate That's no kind of god and no kind of religiosity I would be interested in - A curse on them.

Of course I understood where your tongue was placed. I was just teasing you a little for "pulling your punch", a wee bit.

 

[muse]

Arrest the mullah in charge of the mosque. Make it clear that there is no tolerance for desecrating a place or worship.

Any other mullahs across the country who make noise should also be arrested for encouraging desecration of mosques.

Yes, those trees do make it difficult to see the forest.

 

[Developereo]

Yes, those trees do make it difficult to see the forest.

Quite apart from the issue of extremism, this is a matter of law enforcement.

Either the government has the ability to enfore rule of law or it doesn't. That matter is important in its own right.

 

[muse]

Quite apart from the issue of extremism, this is a matter of law enforcement.

Either the government has the ability to enfore rule of law or it doesn't. That matter is important in its own right.

That's most reasonable, but when extremism is the norm for society, it's a set up for failure to expect law enforcement officials to risk their careers if not lives, knowing full well that if the courts do not release them, then political pressure from their sponsors will ensure the bad guys get off.

I realize this does not fit the usual corrupt politicians and incompetent civil servants argument that some use to mask the problem of extremism in society, and that's too bad.

 

[Zarvan]

MQM actions has resulted in arming of other Groups too

 

[forcetrip]

Heck! In Texas you don't have to store your weapons in your Church, you just take them to the service whenever you want! You can store as many weapons in your Church as you want, provided they are all legal weapons, under both US Federal laws and the laws of your state.

Now storing illegal weapons is entirely different. THAT is what David Koresh and his Branch Davidians were doing in Waco, Texas. This led to the deadly raid of his compound by the US ATF and FBI. Which, in turn, led to Timothy McVeigh's bombing of those same US government units at their office building in Tulsa, Oklahoma on the anniversary of the Waco event.

Everyone should watch that movie "Red State".

 

[Developereo]

That's most reasonable, but when extremism is the norm for society, it's a set up for failure to expect law enforcement officials to risk their careers if not lives, knowing full well that if the courts do not release them, then political pressure from their sponsors will ensure the bad guys get off.

I realize this does not fit the usual corrupt politicians and incompetent civil servants argument that some use to mask the problem of extremism in society, and that's too bad.

Well, I suppose it's a matter of perspective and debate.

To me, extremism thrives because of lack of law enforcement There are plenty of extremist nuts in Western society, but they mostly keep in their burrows because they know the law will hold them accountable.

Secondly, religious extremism isn't the only driver of lawlessness. Karachi's woes are caused by old fashioned drug lords and gangsters masquerading as politicians. Even if we eliminate wahabi influence from Pakistan, it will do nothing to solve Karachi's problems.

Powerful people will always be able to extert influence, whether it's through money or ideology. Even rich countries like Britain are not immune, as evidenced by Scotland Yard being disgraced in the Murdoch media scandal. It seems to me that the greatest payoff comes from focussing on corruption and law-enforcement, and having a system of public accountability. We must provide an environment of trasnparency where law enforcement can do their job without fear of retribution from powerful overlords.

 

[muse]

Secondly, religious extremism isn't the only driver of lawlessness. Karachi's woes are caused by old fashioned drug lords and gangsters masquerading as politicians.

I would encourage you to drop this part from your argument - it is a strong argument without the stuff above, afterall the mafia types are not using Masajid as ammo depots.

Now:

We must provide an environment of trasnparency where law enforcement can do their job without fear of retribution from powerful overlords.

See Develepero we can't even discuss things openly as civilized peoples without some religious lune pointing out the "Hadd" that such conversations may enjoy, even you and others I respect ask, "to what extent...." -- how then can you imagine that a environment of transparency can be created??

I think you and another "best and brightest" refuse to understand the challenge of making out the forest for the trees - We, if we are genuinely interested in cleaning things up, must rid ourselves of the oppressive authority we have given to a "ideology" so that the "ideology" in question has become the filter, the lens, through which all aspects of our experience, are to be evaluated, and of course the results are obvious.

 

[Zarvan]

Well, I suppose it's a matter of perspective and debate.

To me, extremism thrives because of lack of law enforcement There are plenty of extremist nuts in Western society, but they mostly keep in their burrows because they know the law will hold them accountable.

Secondly, religious extremism isn't the only driver of lawlessness. Karachi's woes are caused by old fashioned drug lords and gangsters masquerading as politicians. Even if we eliminate wahabi influence from Pakistan, it will do nothing to solve Karachi's problems.

Powerful people will always be able to extert influence, whether it's through money or ideology. Even rich countries like Britain are not immune, as evidenced by Scotland Yard being disgraced in the Murdoch media scandal. It seems to me that the greatest payoff comes from focussing on corruption and law-enforcement, and having a system of public accountability. We must provide an environment of trasnparency where law enforcement can do their job without fear of retribution from powerful overlords.

Violence in Karachi has nothing to do with Islam actually it does as we left the teachings of Islam we are killing each other on the basis of ethnicity

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Arrest the mullah in charge of the mosque. Make it clear that there is no tolerance for desecrating a place or worship.

Any other mullahs across the country who make noise should also be arrested for encouraging desecration of mosques.

Sir for your information when HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW used to go to Mosque he used to carry a sword and many Shabas also did

 

[muse]

Sir for your information when HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW used to go to Mosque he used to carry a sword and many Shabas also did

Develepero

There you go - deny that -- see when they keep a beard like the prophet, why can't they keep arms like the prophet?? And there you are arguing law and order and poor governance, tsk, tsk

 

[Zarvan]

Develepero

There you go - deny that -- see when they keep a beard like the prophet, why can't they keep arms like the prophet?? And there you are arguing law and order and poor governance, tsk, tsk

Sir beard remains the same every man have hair in beard but weapons develop with time so have the latest weapons for defense of Islam and Muslims

 

[Black Widow]

Rangers recover arms from mosque in Karachi
Submitted 1 hr 49 mins ago

In a crackdown, Rangers have recovered large cache of arms from a mosque in Karachi. The operation was launched in Baldia Town on a tip-off. The Rangers found the arms hidden in the lawn of the mosque and an attached house. Earlier, police cordoned off a residential building near Jama Cloth and arrested over 100 suspects during house-to-house search. A suspect, Babu alias Bakri , has reportedly been taken into custody. The crackdown was launched in Sector A-III nd Sector B-III. The cache comprises klashnikovs, repeaters, pistols and thousands of cartridges.
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Look at the ammount of Bullet and guns, Are they going to fight enemy nation??? You guys are lucky that you can see/touch/posses AKs. In India 99% have not touched any gun in there life...

 

[iPhone]

Develepero

There you go - deny that -- see when they keep a beard like the prophet, why can't they keep arms like the prophet?? And there you are arguing law and order and poor governance, tsk, tsk

is it illegal to carry a legal gun into the mosque when going to pray? in some areas of karachi where law and order situation is such where you can be abducted and tortured based on your skin color, is it illegal to bear a legal arm on you all the time when you step outside, even when going to a masjid to pray.

 

[Zarvan]

is it illegal to carry a legal gun into the mosque when going to pray? in some areas of karachi where law and order situation is such where you can be abducted and tortured based on your skin color, is it illegal to bear a legal arm on you all the time when you step outside, even when going to a masjid to pray.

I am not talking about the Law of Pakistan and I am just telling the practice of HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW