Rangers raid MQM office in Azizabad

[Kompromat]

@Secur

Kicking the TTP makes the situation 'better.
Kicking the na maloom afraad makes it 'worse'

I'm struggling here.
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[A.Rafay]

Have you heard the name before ? Anything that this outfit might have done and accepted responsibility for ? Did Mr Nisar stick with his statement later ?

He clearly said its not his statement, he was quoting intelligence reports. And he said regarding the reports that some violence acts were job of MLA.

 

[blain2]

Are ghosts debated in parliament? Muhajir liberation army was qouted in parliament from intelligence agencies.

Somebody recall "Jinnahpur"? That was mentioned by no other than an ISI personality on record who later apologized for the made up conspiracy theory attributed to a certain party in Karachi. That claim led to an IS operation where countless were killed extra-judicially. If this was just a made up claim by the then security apparatus, can someone explain why this "MLA" claim could not be another one of these "reasons" to clip a certain party's wings? I hope people realize that the vast, vast majority of Urdu speakers, who are supporters of MQM, are die hard Pakistanis having parents, grandparents who gave up everything for Pakistan. Even AH, if he were to ask them to pick up guns against the state of Pakistan, would get a flat refusal.

Lets not shoot from the hip. Pakistan's politics are dirtier than most. If the goal is to alienate the youth of Karachi, then by all means launch another operation on flimsy grounds. Reminds me of the cartoon by Sabir Nazar on Karachi where jumping the gun is usually the preferred path:

Have you heard the name before ? Anything that this outfit might have done and accepted responsibility for ? Did Mr Nisar stick with his statement later ?

Lets worsen the situation , shall we ? Explain to me how the operation that has been going for months with combined might of police and rangers with billions spent has been unable to achieve anything at all , now in phase 3 . The daily body count is still the same .

@blain2 How will you explain this blaming the whole thing on a single political party and declaring it the sole problem and the chief cause of concern for the country ?

I cannot explain because I do not know all the facts. If this is indeed MQM then they need to wean themselves off the violence. However, the way I see it, all parties of significance (PPP, MQM, ANP) operating in the Karachi turf war have their mafias that are being used to increase influence through violence. If only MQM is called out to give up this and others aren't, without addressing the problems of local governance and delineation in Karachi, then this finger pointing won't go far.

Politically, any party is capable of anything, but creating a sectarian rift by MQM actually hurts its own voter bank because MQM supporters are spread across this sectarian divide of Sunnis and Shias. But that is a simplistic assumption and there could be much more here than meets the eye.

Lastly, why the ambiguity in calling out a certain party? Lets call them out by name and deal with it.

 

[Secur]

@Secur

Kicking the TTP makes the situation 'better.
Kicking the na maloom afraad makes it 'worse'

I'm struggling here.

There's no problem with the raid , mate . Make no mistake . Act equally or do not act at all . There's worse in the city run by others but never acted against . Do not persist in attributing every problem of this city with MQM , its making no sense , mate .

He clearly said its not his statement, he was quoting intelligence reports. And he said regarding the reports that some violence acts were job of MLA.

He backed out of it , because no such thing exists . Similar story to Jinnahpur , later admitted by the same personnel who said/claim it first .

 

[HRK]

'namaloomafrad' are known to every Karachiit and are associate with almost every political party of Karachi ..... pls try to understand the political situation of Karachi ..... singling out a particular party will worsen the situation .......

 

[chauvunist]

MQM is against Pakistan right from its very Birth and No one but its founder is culprit of Burning Pakistani Flag and calling Creation of Pakistan a Big Mistake...

 

[airmarshal]

sorry bhai we have done the mistake

we have spoken against the crooks of sindh govt, and we have gone against the oppression

please kill us now?

is it ok bud?

Aren't these same crooks MQM was sitting with for 5 years in a coalition govt? Isn't that the same party whose slain leader your leader in London calls her sister? Stop bull shitting.

 

[xyxmt]

jaani kabhi to apni ghalti maan liya karo . meri ankheen taras gayeen ke koi political party apni ghalti maany pakistan main . BTW i am political atheist too

In w.11's fairy tale imaginations Altaf bhai has wings and flies around helping the needy
no can be wrong with MQM

 

[Secur]

I cannot explain because I do not know all the facts. If this is indeed MQM then they need to wean themselves off the violence. However, the way I see it, all parties of significance (PPP, MQM, ANP) operating in the Karachi turf war have their mafias that are being used to increase influence through violence. If only MQM is called out to give up this and others aren't, without addressing the problems of local governance and delineation in Karachi, then this finger pointing won't go far.

Politically, any party is capable of anything, but creating a sectarian rift by MQM actually hurts its own voter bank because MQM supporters are spread across this sectarian divide of Sunnis and Shias. But that is a simplistic assumption and there could be much more here than meets the eye.

Lastly, why the ambiguity in calling out a certain party? Lets call them out by name and deal with it.

Thank you , blain , for the detailed analysis on the past ghost of " Jinnahpur " . The simple fact is there's seems to be an amplified false " perception " and " overestimation " of a non threat in the rest of the country , which surprises me , the cause is hidden somehow but the result of course is well known . Its refreshing to see sane members actually discussing the problem rather than oversimplifying things by blaming it all on one party or calling death to its supporters/voters or ironically talking of article 6 showing their ignorance of the past statements of leaders from different political parties . What they aren't realizing is that they are talking about a political reality with an impressive record in elections over the years and unfortunately , millions of supporters/sympathizers/voters and one which majorly represents the urban Sindh . I agree again that it is a turf war , but what good is an action directed against a single political party for the love of all that is holy ? You see , they enter this Azizabad , 90 , Ayesha Manzil , Mukka Chowk area without any trouble , act there , arrest a few and go out without a single shot fired . But they cant enter the Al Asif , Banaras , Lyari and Sohrab Goth e.t.c. for some reason and to be honest , it is fooling no one but making it clear that it is another '92 operation in the making . Now in such a situation , people ask why , just why only their party is being acted against when there are others still doing the same freely , because accept it or not , every political party feels the need to have its own " army " or a militant wing - it is not unknown . Why not act equally keeping your selective approach and biases aside ? Now knowing that there indeed is a problem of " son of soil " and a real sense of deprivation with the Urdu speakers with deep root in history here , this thing can be converted into something very ugly by the current approach . What amazes me further is that the same people are ready to bend over backwards for " peace talks " with terrorists , to bring them to the negotiating table at any and all costs even if it means going against the constitution and compromising over the sovereignty and writ of the state , to the point that these religious psychopaths are offered to open offices , declared martyrs and the security forces being not such and a clean bill handed out for acts of terror just for appeasement yet they find it impossible to talk to a political entity demanding merely an even field and equal share in resources . Ironic , wouldn't you say ?

The ambiguity , my friend , is our modus operandi and trend , we fail to point it out because there's no one entity/person to blame and the courage to say the truth is absent . I say the same , declare them such and act then . Who's stopping you ?

@blain2 What we learn from history is that we do not learn from history . Strange , but true .

'namaloomafrad' are known to every Karachiit and are associate with almost every political party of Karachi ..... pls try to understand the political situation of Karachi ..... singling out a particular party will worsen the situation .......

No , its easier to blame MQM rather than understanding and trying to solve the problem , namaloom afraad ne gaaya hai yeh poora gaana - the unknown people have sung the whole song , haven't you heard the verse ?

 

[My-Analogous]

Are ghosts debated in parliament? Muhajir liberation army was qouted in parliament from intelligence agencies.

Yeah the same Intelligence which create successfully BLA and in history "Mukti bani". Now you guys should stop this bullshit and don't try to create a situation which destabilized Pakistan. This bullshit self created Muhajir Liberation army should be drop before it come to reality. We are Muslim first and then Pakistani and rest is bullshit. It is very sad that we created TTP,BLA, Mukti bani idea by our self.

 

[American Pakistani]

Some people never learn from mistakes. The way non-Karachities talk as experts makes me do like

@Topic Rangers raid MQM office...what is new in this? Obviously feudals of Pakistan want them to raid MQM office so they have to follow the orders. In this bad economy they are not stupid to loose their jobs.

MQM is reality with support of massive population of Karachi, Hyderabad, etc. The sooner non-Karachities/non-Hyderabadis, etc push this in their brains the better it is for whole country.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Lot of injustice for MQM???
@W.11,@American Pakistani, then what is MQM doing in federal and sindh government from 14 years?

 

[American Pakistani]

Lot of injustice for MQM???
@W.11,@American Pakistani, then what is MQM doing in federal and sindh government from 14 years?

First of all i' am not a member of MQM. Second that they may be there hoping for the best for Pakistan's financial capital.

 

[aaqib khan pakistani]

sorry bhai we have done the mistake

we have spoken against the crooks of sindh govt, and we have gone against the oppression

please kill us now?
U know what I think u r a bhai's karkun to plus target killer stop supporting terrorist parties including anp ppp and all others sh...t
is it ok bud?