Rangers raid MQM headquarters

[Jaanbaz]

The question is are Rangers capable of killing unarmed people?

 

[haviZsultan]

I ONLY care for Karachi peace and prosperity.
the terrorists will pounce on this opportunity presented to them.


Mohajirs are a reality so live with it. and MQM despite all its skeletons is the only true representative of Mohajirs.


Punjabis here are exchanging fart jokes but they forget that Karachi feeds Pakistan because the crooks in Punjab dont believe in paying any taxes. over 75% tax revenue is collected from karachi.

MQM has a liberal worldview but this does not mean that they are not involved in ethnic violence. I think we should stop voting on the basis of ethnicity. MQM is indeed the representative of muhajirs but this has to do with more a fault amongst our people who are ready to support terrorist organizations just because they claim to be supporting the interests of muhajirs.

Violent political parties which have given Karachi 10000 deaths from 1986-1990 must not be supported.

 

[Gazi]

Sorry MQM had no hand in whatsoever you are trying to imply here. People went to Karachi long before MQM was formed, they lived there together happily. If anyone is supporting this current MQM he is deluded. This leadership of MQM deserves no pity, they are thugs who got promoted on basis of their ranking in wrong doing and harming Pakistan and Pakistanis.

The Ethnic Polarization was wide Spread and Bushra Zaidi case was another example of that Polarization. MQM is involves in 80% of Karachi and non of MQM dominated Areas are No Go Areas for any Community while same cant be said for Constituencies of other Parties like PPP(Lyari) and ANP/SSP(Banarus, Al Asif etc). MQM is still Supported by the Majority of Karachiite and in last few hours the level of Sympathies MQM has gained and would gained after ATC would be enough to put MQM in Commanding Position if Elections are held within 6 months so dont think that third Party Media Analysis are correct because most of Pakistan media is all about PR instead of Constructive Discussion.

 

[I.R.A]

The Ethnic Polarization was wide Spread and Bushra Zaidi case was another example of that Polarization. MQM is involves in 80% of Karachi and non of MQM dominated Areas are No Go Areas for any Community while same cant be said for Constituencies of other Parties like PPP(Lyari) and ANP/SSP(Banarus, Al Asif etc).

I would say next target should be ANP, PPP and then all outfits who have held people of Karachi hostage for decades.

 

[A2Z]

Well if the guys caught were terrorists good but that is not all done. Every party has a criminal wing and during Mirza's tenure weaponization of Sindh was at its peak. Rangers has done something good and they must not stop here, there are even bigger weapons dumps in other parts of Karachi they need to care of. And simultaneously other provinces must be cleaned as well especially Punjab.

 

[Gazi]

I would say next target should be ANP, PPP and then all outfits who have held people of Karachi hostage for decades.

These Areas should have been FIRST TARGET instead of Next Targets because most of them are still to this day a no Go Areas while Rangers are doing Operation all over Karachi with no Results. I think the only reason Rangers are not touching these areas is because the Resistance would be Overwhelming and Rangers would lose lot of people while Conducting Raids on those No Go Areas while in MQM Areas Rangers doesnt face much Resistance so MQM is a SOFT TARGET but those areas are real deal and Rangers are AFRAID to go there.

 

[Tameem]

MQM has a liberal worldview but this does not mean that they are not involved in ethnic violence. I think we should stop voting on the basis of ethnicity. MQM is indeed the representative of muhajirs but this has to do with more a fault amongst our people who are ready to support terrorist organizations just because they claim to be supporting the interests of muhajirs.

Violent political parties which have given Karachi 10000 deaths from 1986-1990 must not be supported.

If we truly examine from 1986 to 2015, we will find Mahajir cause is more severely damaged by MQM than anything constructive, We are better off in pre-mqm period than labeled as bhatta khors, target killers, extortionst, zombies etc. now

 

[Mughal-Prince]

well the question remain same ... if he a guy been shot in front of ranger , and they didnt even cordon off the area , search every other person , that who has the gun , and arrest him ... its simple , so why dont Rangers react ? when a young boy been shot in front of them ... and in footage it seems that so many " Nafri " of Rangers were there //

You have point rocky and the weapons recovered has G3 and AK 47 mostly which is not been used by NATO in fact G3 is particularly used by our forces. Rest is how some one can expect bags of flowers instead of guns and ammunition in a country like ours where the biggest problem is security. And what about the Capital mosque and their cleric and weapons stock their ?? What about the threat of Daish and others ban outfits ?? These political goons may have weapons but it's not suppose to be used against the state but mostly for their security and in some cases against their rivalries but now we can not over look this face that in this fragile situation in which we are living in this operation had left a big community striped from their security now who's gonna answer if they been attacked by Talibs or others who are not agreed with their point of view.
I believe it's not what it seems and actual game is not what we are looking at in my angle of view it's connected to senate elections or something else which is happening behind the curtains we have no idea about.

 

[Gazi]

Well if the guys caught were terrorists good but that is not all done. Every party has a criminal wing and during Mirza's tenure weaponization of Sindh was at its peak. Rangers has done something good and they must not stop here, there are even bigger weapons dumps in other parts of Karachi they need to care of. And simultaneously other provinces must be cleaned as well especially Punjab.

Mirza is the one which Introduce Guns to every Politically Active Individual in Karachi. He Approved Thousands of Licenses to Lyari Gangsters and ANP infiltrated Banned Sectarian Outfits against MQM and he Admitted that himself.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

MQM has a liberal worldview but this does not mean that they are not involved in ethnic violence. I think we should stop voting on the basis of ethnicity. MQM is indeed the representative of muhajirs but this has to do with more a fault amongst our people who are ready to support terrorist organizations just because they claim to be supporting the interests of muhajirs.

Violent political parties which have given Karachi 10000 deaths from 1986-1990 must not be supported.

this is it.
trace back the history prior to the operation of late General Naseerullah Baber (may his soul rest in peace) in Karachi which made MQM leadership to rethink its outlook and attitude.. there has been a marked change from an outright thuggish, blackmailing ethnic terrorist party in cahoots with other hostile foreign agencies to a relatively reformed mainstream party,

it used the anguish of the muhajirs to its advantage and has been the best representative of this very important ethnic group because other mainstream parties (bar Jamat islami) are chronically xenophobe, bigoted and self serving due to their cartel/ feudal structure. PTI did make some inroads into Mohajir representation but it has been on the wrong footing and ended into a collusion course and confrontation with a protective MQM. resulting in many tragic deaths during election times.

yes it has its own violent squads and yes its founding leader has a questionable past but this shouldn't be used against the party.
come on Jamat Islami continues to enjoy the perks of the government and say in the affairs of Pakistan despite being busted for housing the mastermind of 9/11 KSM and despite what its former lunatic Ameer had to say for Osama and his fight.

I cant dictate MQM leadership and its supporters on how to reshape its outlook and how to conduct itself but I am a well wisher because I know MQM matters for Karachi which matters for Pakistan.

almost entire brotherly Muslim countries and Indians saw to it that karachi descends into chaos the day Kong Kong was given to China and there were prospects of Karachi becoming a major port hub instead of some ports in middle east.

whatever game the state (establishment as per Dr Shahid Massod meaning army) / government is playing it must ensure it keeps situation under control.

If we truly examine from 1986 to 2015, we will find Mahajir cause is more severely damaged by MQM than anything constructive, We are better off in pre-mqm period than labeled as bhatta khors, target killers, extortionst, zombies etc. now

they are much reformed since back those dark days and by the way
why forget TTP and LeJ. Karachi wont see a peaceful day if the state is not careful

 

[Bratva]

I ONLY care for Karachi peace and prosperity.
the terrorists will pounce on this opportunity presented to them.


Mohajirs are a reality so live with it. and MQM despite all its skeletons is the only true representative of Mohajirs.


Punjabis here are exchanging fart jokes but they forget that Karachi feeds Pakistan because the crooks in Punjab dont believe in paying any taxes. over 75% tax revenue is collected from karachi.

Please,, no no pray tell us why is that 75 percent revenue is collected from karachi ? Is it due to muhajirs or is due to being a port city and most of corporations/banking sector/FBR Tax revenue has it's HQ in karachi ?

And do tell us when gwadar becomes operational, would karachi alleged 75 percent tax collection remain same or would it drop ?

having biases is alright, but making non-sense statements is absurd, that too without putting thought into it warna to Fart jokes would be on you.

And when has MQM become the true representatives of Muhajirs? Don't you consider Punjabi Muhajirs muhajirs ?

 

[haviZsultan]

If we truly examine from 1986 to 2015, we will find Mahajir cause is more severely damaged by MQM than anything constructive, We are better off in pre-mqm period than labeled as bhatta khors, target killers, extortionst, zombies etc. now

MQM was born in 1984. 1985-1990 we lost 3000 people in Karachi. Other figures say from 1986-1996 10000 people died.

Also if you look at statistics you will notice that muhajirs who support MQM are already in a great position. For one urdu dominates the country which is our language and then we have a gdp per capita (calculated in ruppees) of 13000 higher than the punjabis and are at the top.

I think all these problems are because of the ethnic mindset and lack of critical thought. Whenever anyone criticizes the MQM people like Waffen come up and say you are "oppressing" urdu speakers. They don't understand simple things like the fact that MQM is a man made organization which will be condemned. Particularly because its members have an ethnic outlook, lack of respect for other cultures and the organization has used violence before.

Thanks to Irfan Baloch for defending us and the MQM. He does so because he believes it is everyones right to vote who we vote. But do note that there are some of us migrants extremely against the MQM's entire existence. I am even against the use of the term muhajir or urdu speaker. We should either claim our original identity-Lucknowi, Hyderabadi, gujarati etc or we should claim an identity locally, like Pashtuns Punjabis and others. Do note the failure of our identity is visible as those who migrated to pakhtunkhwa from parts occupied by India became pashtuns, those in Balochi and those to Punjab generally punjabi. Where we failed was in Karachi because we make 40% of the population and Sindhis now make less than 8% of the total population. This made it difficult for us to merge with these groups and we adopted muhajir identity which I maintain shouldn't have happened.

I have discussed my identity crisis as you may call it and MQM here on this thread relentlessly:

Split Discussion: Muhajir Identity | Page 12

I have discussed this infinately.

 

[Gazi]

I cant dictate MQM leadership and its supporters on how to reshape its outlook and how to conduct itself but I am a well wisher because I know MQM matters for Karachi which matters for Pakistan.

MQM needs Serious Reforms and I guess they should Throw out Altaf and his Old time Buddies out of Leadership and introduce Second Generation of Leadership which has been part of Constructive activities in MQM starting during Musharraf's period Administration to MQM's establishment of Media Cell and other Setup. The problem her is that in last few hours MQM has Actually Gained lot of sympathies among people especially after Waqar Shah's controversial Killing so now these old lots are gaining Sympathies and ATC Court would also lead them to gain more Sympathies as well with this prospect I can only think that years of work to get rid of MQM has just started turning futile within Hours now.

 

[Zarvan]

this is a bogus raid

what are rangers trying to achieve here?

wireless and radios? so what? taxi companies, ambulances and larger charity organisations keep them too.

pistols. shot guns? really?
there are some assault rifles that can be confiscated but hardly deserve such coverage.

there were more weapons at display of Nawaz league members firing at the elections.

O Mr MQM is not TTP they don't have bomb experts or suicide jackets this is what they used to kill innocents in Karach and doing it for past 30 years and take bhatta what were you expecting few nuclear war heads may be ????? @Bratva

 

[Tameem]

they are much reformed since back those dark days and by the way

using word Covered much more appropriate than reformed.

why forget TTP and LeJ. Karachi wont see a peaceful day if the state is not careful

Against TTP their is already ZE going-on on the instructions of APC. LEJ already chased out and in near future you will see operation against them like ZE in proper Punjab as well