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Ram Mandir in Ayodhya

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Blind and foolish are those who miss the big potholes on the roads of a capital but point to building a temple as the reason for that potholes :lol:

As to the existence of the Ram Temple, you do not have to spin a new "secular fact". The Allahabad High Court has conclusively established it after viewing Archaeological evidence.

Oh!! Really? Based upon what archaeological findings, if you don't mind telling us?
 
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Only a blind would miss the obvious difference.

The temple may mean nothing to you or me but there are millions for whom it matters a lot (as a matter of faith). So why exactly what you think/wish should weigh higher than what million others think/wish?

More over if it is all decision to make Ram temple is reached then let me tell you one thing - not even a penny will be asked from GOI rather funds will be provided by various Hindu organizations to build the mosque elsewhere and if needed more money will be provided to GOI to fund the things you want them to focus on.
 
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Oh!! Really? Based upon what archaeological findings, if you don't mind telling us?
I don't think anyone on this forum would have the details of the finding available with them. The best they could post is link to some site to prove their point but if you really think that the court erred reading the findings and you can read and analyze them better then who has stopped you from going to the higher courts & challenging the verdict. You will get no result debating about it on an online forum.
 
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Oh!! Really? Based upon what archaeological findings, if you don't mind telling us?

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The ASI informed the Court that a temple-like massive structure existed beneath the disputed site before the construction of the so-called Babri mosque in Ayodhya and that there are sufficient evidence of continuity in structural activities for over 3300 years.

The 574-page report, which has given a summary of the results of digging in Chapter X, says that a monumental structure existed just below the disputed structure from the 10th century onwards. It also mentions that the stone, decorated bricks and 50 pillar bases, which are distinctive features of temples in north India, were found-at the site. The report further says, "Now viewing it in totality and taking into account the archaeological, evidence of a massive structure just below the disputed structure and evidence of continuity in structural phases from the tenth century onwards up to the construction of the disputed structure along with the yield of stone and decorated bricks as well as mutilated sculpture of divine couple and carved architectural members including foliage patterns, amalaka, kapotpali, doorjamb with semi-circular shrine pilaster, broken octagonal shaft of black schist pillar, lotus motif, circular shrine having pranjala (water chute) in the north, 50 pillar bases in association of the huge structure, are indicative of remains which are distinctive features found associated with the temples of north India."

Besides,

The Austrian Jesuit Joseph Tieffenthaler wrote in 1768: "Emperor Aurangzeb demolished the fortress called Ramcot, and erected on the same place a Mohammedan temple with three cupolas. Others believe that it was constructed by Babor." Tieffenthaler also writes that Hindus celebrated Ram Navami (Rama's birth festival) in front of the mosque, and that the mosque was built on a temple. He wrote: "The reason is that here existed formerly a house in which Beschan (Vishnu) took birth in the form of Rama and where it is said his three brothers were also born. Subsequently Aurangzeb and some say Babur destroyed the place in order to prevent the heathens from practising their ceremonies. However, they have continued to practice their religious ceremonies in both the places knowing this to have been the birth place of Rama by going around it three times and prostrating on the ground."


Jesuit priest Joseph Tieffenthaler, whose work in French was published in Berlin in 1788. It says:

"Emperor Aurangzeb got demolished the fortress called Ramkot, and erected on the same place a Mahometan temple with three cuppolas. Others believe that it was constructed by Babur. We see 14 columns of black stone 5 spans high that occupy places within the fortress. Twelve of these columns now bear the interior arcades of the Masjid; two (of the 12) make up the entrance of the cloister. Two others form part of the tomb of a certain Moor. It is related that these columns, or rather the debris of these columns, were brought from Lanka (called Ceylon by the Europeans) by Hanuman, chief of the monkeys."


The British merchant William Finch, who travelled in India during AD 1608–11, recorded a detailed description of Ayodhya and the castle of Ramchand (Ramkot), "extensive enough to undertake a search for gold." Though he does not mention the birthplace of Rama, he gives a detailed account of the place where the ashes of Ram are kept. "Some two miles on the further side of the river in a cave of his with a narrow entrance, but so spacious and full of turnings within that a man may well loose himself there if he taketh not better heed; where it is thought his ashes were buried. Hither resort many from all parts of India, which carry from thence in remembrance certain grains of rice as black as gunpowder which they say have been preserved ever since.


In any case all this has been discussed many times in pdf and I am not interested in repeating myself for the umpteenth time. Unlike earlier times, today facts are known to almost all.
 
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I don't think anyone on this forum would have the details of the finding available with them. The best they could post is link to some site to prove their point but if you really think that the court erred reading the findings and you can read and analyze them better then who has stopped you from going to the higher courts & challenging the verdict. You will get no result debating about it on an online forum.
The archaeological findings are available in detail and analyzed thoroughly. The point is the politicians of this country should focus more on issues which need urgent attention. In stead they look more interested on banning mini skirts, building temples or defining who is a Hindu or not.

In any case all this has been discussed many times in pdf and I am not interested in repeating myself for the umpteenth time. Unlike earlier times, today facts are known to almost all.
Ok, then. I am backing off from the discussion too.
 
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Build Ram temple in Ayodhya: Subramanian Swamy to PM Modi - The Times of India

Main points from the article....
1. appointment of a former Chief Justice of India like SH Kapadia as the executor
2. Designated minister like Gen VK Singh as a liaison
3. Ask the hereditary supervisor of Babri masjid to formally withdraw his claim to Ram Janmabhoomi
4. Offer an alternative site for a masjid to be build at public expense across the Sarya river.
5. Call a meeting of Islamic clerics including from abroad and seek endorsement.

Your views guys ?

It would be interesting to hear the opinions of Indian muslims from pdf in this matter.

Opinions of hindus of both side of the debate is already known.
 
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The archaeological findings are available in detail and analyzed thoroughly. The point is the politicians of this country should focus more on issues which need urgent attention. In stead they look more interested on banning mini skirts, building temples or defining who is a Hindu or not.

Denial of existence of temple is not a good thing, we all know ancient temples existed at Ayodhya, Kashi, Mathura and Somnath and what was done to them. People should only argue how to reach a settlement, denial of the existence of temple will only make the Hindus of this country more against these self-designated secular factions. Moreover friend, emotions for having a temple in the birthplace of Lord Rama still runs deep among people, its the matter of belief.
 
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The archaeological findings are available in detail and analyzed thoroughly. The point is the politicians of this country should focus more on issues which need urgent attention. In stead they look more interested on banning mini skirts, building temples or defining who is a Hindu or not.


Ok, then. I am backing off from the discussion too.
even if it is proved that the temple was destroyed and a mosque was build over it by babur, you still cant build a temple there. because the land right belongs to a specific person/org which happens to be on muslim side.
how long you will go back in history to undo historical wrongdoings...

The interim judgement giving part of land to an org on hindu side is actually wrong legally, courts should not work on compromise formula, thats not their job.
 
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Denial of existence of temple is not a good thing, we all know ancient temples existed at Ayodhya, Kashi, Mathura and Somnath and what was done to them. People should only argue how to reach a settlement, denial of the existence of temple will only make the Hindus of this country more against these self-designated secular factions. Moreover friend, emotions for having a temple in the birthplace of Lord Rama still runs deep among people, its the matter of belief.
There are ample evidences of a temple structure beneath the mosque but there is neither any proof that it had been considered as a birth place of Lord Rama, nor there is a single evidence that Babar destroyed it. The whole thing sets up a very wrong precedent to the whole nation, INDIC. We can ignore it now without realizing its further significance.
 
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even if it is proved that the temple was destroyed and a mosque was build over it by babur, you still cant build a temple there. because the land right belongs to a specific person/org which happens to be on muslim side.
how long you will go back in history to undo historical wrongdoings...

The interim judgement giving part of land to an org on hindu side is actually wrong legally, courts should not work on compromise formula, thats not their job.


LOL....if it is proved that the temple was destroyed and a mosque was built there then the land ownership automatically transfers to the Hindus.

Especially since the land was given to the muslims by the same muslim king who destroyed the temple and build the mosque

EVEN when the mosque was built, historical evidence show it remained a Hindu place of worship and hindu pilgrims continued to treat it like a temple .

Lastly BY LAW if the possession of the place is by Hindus for at least 14 years, the law states that the land now LEGALLY belong to the Hindus .............. its called The Doctrine of Adverse Possession.

This is because under India law a temple legally belongs to the presiding deity, and in this case is Lord Ram lala for the last 70 odd years.

Even other wise since it's been proven that a temple existed there, the ownership of the temple reverts back to the presiding god and since god is ageless, the land belongs to him for all of perpetuity.


Finally I already know you are a muslim, why don't you come out in the open and declare it ? :coffee:

There are ample evidences of a temple structure beneath the mosque but there is neither any proof that it had been considered as a birth place of Lord Rama, nor there is a single evidence that Babar destroyed it. The whole thing sets up a very wrong precedent to the whole nation, INDIC. We can ignore it now without realizing its further significance.

Wrong again .......I have quoted multiple proof that demonstrates evidence that first babur and then Auranzeb had destroyed the temple and associated structures.

No proof of it being ram birthplace is required as its a matter of faith. The court cannot decide on that matter. It can only decide on land ownership :lol:

No rebuilding the Temple sends a VERY WRONG precedent to the whole nation and to the whole world. If it could not be ignored for the last 400 years what makes you think it can be ignored now :lol: ............. how blind can you be ? ..... or pretend to be.


Being wilfully blind to a 400 year old injury and sore on the body of Hindu consciousness just to appease muslims is the height of religious pandering and minority appeasement.
 
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LOL....if it is proved that the temple was destroyed and a mosque was built there then the land ownership automatically transfers to the Hindus.

Especially since the land was given to the muslims by the same muslim king who destroyed the temple and build the mosque

EVEN when the mosque was built, historical evidence show it remained a Hindu place of worship and hindu pilgrims continued to treat it like a temple .

Lastly BY LAW if the possession of the place is by Hindus for at least 14 years, the law states that the land now LEGALLY belong to the Hindus .............. its called The Doctrine of Adverse Possession.

This is because under India law a temple legally belongs to the presiding deity, and in this case is Lord Ram lala for the last 70 odd years.

Even other wise since it's been proven that a temple existed there, the ownership of the temple reverts back to the presiding god and since god is ageless, the land belongs to him for all of perpetuity.


Finally I already know you are a muslim, why don't you come out in the open and declare it ? :coffee:



Wrong again .......I have quoted multiple proof that demonstrates evidence that first babur and then Auranzeb had destroyed the temple and associated structures.
Every body knows temples were destroyed. What new facts do it bring in?

No proof of it being ram birthplace is required as its a matter of faith. The court cannot decide on that matter. It can only decide on land ownership :lol:

Matter of faith!! Really? So, we can start demolishing religious houses on the basis of faith, can't we?

No rebuilding the Temple sends a VERY WRONG precedent to the whole nation and to the whole world. If it could not be ignored for the last 400 years what makes you think it can be ignored now :lol: ............. how blind can you be ? ..... or pretend to be.
Nothing can justify destruction of any religious places on the basis of doctored belief. It was a crime and dark spot on the nation's commitment for a secular constitution. If you don't wanna believe it, don't believe it.
Being wilfully blind to a 400 year on injury and sore on the body of Hindu consciousness just to appease muslims is the height of religious pandering and minority appeasement.

Minority appeasement? Oh!! I thought we agreed in the morning that we won't be discussing the technicalities of the archaeological findings and it's interpretations.
 
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LOL....if it is proved that the temple was destroyed and a mosque was built there then the land ownership automatically transfers to the Hindus.

Especially since the land was given to the muslims by the same muslim king who destroyed the temple and build the mosque

EVEN when the mosque was built, historical evidence show it remained a Hindu place of worship and hindu pilgrims continued to treat it like a temple .

Lastly BY LAW if the possession of the place is by Hindus for at least 14 years, the law states that the land now LEGALLY belong to the Hindus .............. its called The Doctrine of Adverse Possession.

This is because under India law a temple legally belongs to the presiding deity, and in this case is Lord Ram lala for the last 70 odd years.

Even other wise since it's been proven that a temple existed there, the ownership of the temple reverts back to the presiding god and since god is ageless, the land belongs to him for all of perpetuity.


Finally I already know you are a muslim, why don't you come out in the open and declare it ? :coffee:



Wrong again .......I have quoted multiple proof that demonstrates evidence that first babur and then Auranzeb had destroyed the temple and associated structures.

No proof of it being ram birthplace is required as its a matter of faith. The court cannot decide on that matter. It can only decide on land ownership :lol:

No rebuilding the Temple sends a VERY WRONG precedent to the whole nation and to the whole world. If it could not be ignored for the last 400 years what makes you think it can be ignored now :lol: ............. how blind can you be ? ..... or pretend to be.


Being wilfully blind to a 400 year on injury and sore on the body of Hindu consciousness just to appease muslims is the height of religious pandering and minority appeasement.

But why the insistence that the Ram Temple has to be on the exact spot as where a temple and then a mosque previously stood? Scriptures/Ramayana merely say Lord Ram was born in Ayodhya, so a temple can be built anywhere in Ayodhya in his honour, innit? Besides, the place itself was known as Saketa in ancient times, and it was probably the Guptas who renamed it as Ayodhya.

Even the Somnath temple today stands a few hundred metres away from where it was originally built. If that is good enough, why not apply the same rule in Ayodhya?
 
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Every body knows temples were destroyed. What new facts do it bring in?

what new facts do what bring in ?

Matter of faith!! Really? So, we can start demolishing religious houses on the basis of faith, can't we?

Stop spinning a strawman AGAIN. You are discussing a past, I am talking about the present and future. The "past" is history and unfortunately history keeps going back and back.

Nothing can justify destruction of any religious places on the basis of doctored belief. It was a crime and dark spot on the nation's commitment for a secular constitution. If you don't wanna believe it, don't believe it.

One only wonders why you don't believe the same for the destruction of the Ram temple :coffee: ........... When 70 years of negotiation fails then what follows next is inevitable.

Minority appeasement? Oh!! I thought we agreed in the morning that we won't be discussing the technicalities of the archaeological findings and it's interpretations.

LOL...how convenient. I din't want to debate the existence of the Ram temple since its existence is already established.

Now I am talking about the continued minority appeasement that seems to exist by refusing to acknowledge the OPEN WOUND in the body of the Hindu collective consciousness.
 
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But why the insistence that the Ram Temple has to be on the exact spot as where a temple and then a mosque previously stood? Scriptures/Ramayana merely say Lord Ram was born in Ayodhya, so a temple can be built anywhere in Ayodhya in his honour, innit? Besides, the place itself was known as Saketa in ancient times, and it was probably the Guptas who renamed it as Ayodhya.

Even the Somnath temple today stands a few hundred metres away from where it was originally built. If that is good enough, why not apply the same rule in Ayodhya?

The Garba Grah in the temple is where Hindus believe Lord ram was born, Muslims has no logical, emotional or otherwise reason to claim the Garba Grah, Allahabad High Court ruling was spot on
 
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