Rakhigarhi: Indian town could unlock mystery of Indus civilisation

[Paksanity]

One has to back his claim with archaeological evidence on such matters. Indus valley civilization obviously would have its origins in human settlements close to the area or in the same area. People can not just migrate from stone age areas and start building world's first ever planned cities. If IVC has its origin somewhere deep in southern India, there ought to be settlements with similar building techniques and grid based settlements. Unfortunately there are none. There is however undeniable evidence of evolving human settlements dated more than 3000 years prior to IVC appearance. That is not all. These settlements are continuous right upto Alexander period (Iron age) documenting scientifically all the periods before, during and after IVC.

Please welcome site of Mehr Garh Balochistan, Pakistan. Discovered in 1974 by French archaeological team, excavation continues till today and more than 32,000 artifacts have been recovered. Site contains multiple settlements spread over several kilometres and distinct 8 periods of history. First period being 6500-5500 B.C. (some suggest 8000 B.C.) and the last period at 500 B.C. well after IVC.

I am sorry my Indian friends but the slot is already taken by Mehr Garh. For those of you who would just be content with Wikipedia here it is.

Mehrgarh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For a comparatively more reliable source here is worldlibrary.org

Mehrgarh | World Public Library - eBooks | Read eBooks online

For the most stubborn of you out there, I had to ask Directorate of Archeology, Uttar Pardesh. Here is the paper read at international seminar and published at their website.



Please take your time and read carefully. I hope Indian members can summon the courage to believe a document written by a French archeologist and endorsed by official archaeology department. @Atanz you might enjoy reading the last one. Do note how Indian archaeologists plainly claims it to be an Indian site!

 

[Swastika]

Sorry?
What exceptions are we talking about???


Superior ???


Only those who suffer from inferiority complex have this urge to prove themselves superior...someone like you.
Btw if you look at those pics, you will realise my ancestors came on earth much before "yours".
Conclusion: my ancestors were you ancestors.
Now chill!

well, i am ot the one who started mocking and inculting Aryans, am i my pretty lady?

and i don't have to prove anything my lady because my Ancestors made India Great
ex. Religion, Culture, Language, Yoga, etc etc.

 

[Levina]

You are overreacting, Levina is good poster. I don't see on what basis mods should take action. You don't have to agree with everything she say.

Thank you!
I wasn't really expecting this feedback from you.
And don't take that guy seriously.

well, i am ot the one who started mocking and inculting Aryans

Aryans?
Whatever!!!

I must tell you that you need to improve your arguments. You 're atrocious at debating right now.
Better luck next time.

Ciao!

 

[Swastika]

Comprehension issues???
Read my post again, I said this....


Inferior wares means UTENSILS!!!!
Gosh!!
Harappans used wares which were well baked and were distinctively red and black. But those who migrated to their abandoned cities used "inferior" as in not so well baked utensils.

Omg!! I will die laughing.



Hahaha
You gotta be kidding me.
@WAJsal and other mods I am really sorry you got pulled here.

oh god ,oh god what should i do now ?
oh yes, i have huge fan base, i am popular and i have many fruends here

Start Acting Clever and Smiling


more smiling



omg i am soo gonna die laughing
sorry @WAJsal you are so nice and cute i am acting clever so please please let me go. i al also famous here

 

[Sugarcane]

no they are Iranians,Arabs,Turks and C Asians not Real people(unmixed) of IVC like South Indians.

You mean inferior mixed up people kicked out pure and advanced people of IVC and threw them in south, and than started writing books in language alien to them and imposed that on them, and they accepted and started following it. Well, that's itself is an achievement, you gave me one more reason to be proud of.

 

[Swastika]

You are overreacting, Levina is good poster. I don't see on what basis mods should take action. You don't have to agree with everything she say.

dude she clearly Insulted my Ancestors three different times...

what if i tell you that your Ancestors are nothing but Savages, Inferior, Newcomer(who used to live in hut and they had no idea how to cover their body) ? aap ka reaction kya hoga ?

she's "Good" member for you but not for me.

You mean inferior mixed up people kicked out pure and advanced people of IVC and threw them in south, and than started writing books in language alien to them and imposed that on them, and they accepted and started following it. Well, that's itself is an achievement, you gave me one more reason to be proud of.

miss popular ko ye k ho muje nahi

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

dude she clearly Insulted my Ancestors three different times...

what if i tell you that your Ancestors are nothing but Savages, Inferior, Newcomer(who used to live in hut and they had no idea how to cover their body) ? aap ka reaction kya hoga ?

she's "Good" member for you but not for me.


miss popular ko ye k ho muje nahi

It seems a couple of dudes kicked the shyt outta natives who mass migrated to south India and couldn't produce a similiar civilisation there ... Coz they forgot..

 

[Swastika]

It seems a couple of dudes kicked the shyt outta natives who mass migrated to south India and couldn't produce a similiar civilisation there ... Coz they forgot..

nope, they were real Pakistanis and North West Indians who one day said FK this this is soon boring we need vacation so they packed their bags and moved to Kolkata,Bihar Eastern UP to South India.
because why not

so bow according to South Indians (some) and extreme East Indians we Pakistanis and North West Indians Invaded this land and kicked out Native IVC people and they migrated to South India and East India. so they are real descenders of IVC people not us

It seems a couple of dudes kicked the shyt outta natives who mass migrated to south India and couldn't produce a similiar civilisation there ... Coz they forgot..

funny thing is we are just 2.5% if Indian population and even after 400,5500 years we are Stoll ruling Social and political Spare of India

every great hindu warrior (-maratha) caste is from outside of India.
early Brahmins - Aryans
Kshatriyas - Aryans (mostly) or (Aryans + saka)
rajputs - hunnic people( C Asian)
jatts - Saka people (Russians with Greek religion)

 

[911]

Why would IVC people be closer to Indians?

Because mostly in Pakistan have mixed invader blood or simply those who have settled. It will be obviously closer to people living in north and western Indian states. Thats what thier movement suggests. Does Pashtun has anything to do with IVC?

But before I go. I will say it unabashedly. All the good stuff comes from the North West of South Asia. That is the way it was and way it will be .....

You can choose to give the north west whatever name you want - the present permutation being Pakistan but this where all the action is.

Your knowledge of South Asia is very limited.

well, i am ot the one who started mocking and inculting Aryans, am i my pretty lady?

and i don't have to prove anything my lady because my Ancestors made India Great
ex. Religion, Culture, Language, Yoga, etc etc.

Are you saying that Islamic invaders have anything to do with IVC? Basis of Pakistan is that they share no history with Hindus. Its hypocrite when you Pakistanis find the same Hindu language funny, which has connections with IVC .

 

[Swastika]

Because mostly in Pakistan have mixed invader blood or simply those who have settled. It will be obviously closer to people living in north and western Indian states. Thats what thier movement suggests. Does Pashtun has anything to do with IVC?


Your knowledge of South Asia is very limited.


Are you saying that Islamic invaders have anything to do with IVC? Basis of Pakistan is that they share no history with Hindus. Its hypocrite when you Pakistanis find the same Hindu language funny, which has connections with IVC .

unlike u fake Pakistani mixed bag, we are quite unmixed here

 

[911]

unlike u fake Pakistani mixed bag, we are quite unmixed here

Lol

 

[Swastika]

Lol

Iamo

 

[Manidabest]

Archaeologists hope DNA from four skeletons will shed light on bronze age settlement as locals see chance to develop more than just site’s ancient heritage

Wazir Chand is explaining life 4,000 years ago. He points to the rocky mounds looming over a huddle of brick houses, a herd of black buffalo and a few stunted trees. The rising sun burns off a chill mist over the north-west Indian plains.

A low rise was a fortification, Chand says, and a darker patch of red earth hides the site of an altar. Nimbly stepping around piles of buffalo dung, he points to a slight depression. This, apparently, was a pit that may have been a reservoir.

To the casual onlooker, Rakhigarhi is unimpressive. Yet the rubbish-strewn mounds and fields around and under this Indian village are set to deliver the answer to one of the deepest secrets of ancient times.

Rakhigarhi is a key site in the Indus Valley civilisation, which ruled a more than 1m sq km swath of the Asian subcontinent during the bronze age and was as advanced and powerful as its better known contemporary counterparts in Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Archaeologists have learned much about the civilisation since it was discovered along the Indus river in present day Pakistan about a century ago. Excavations have since uncovered huge carefully designed cities with massive grain stores, metal workshops, public baths, dockyards and household plumbing, as well as stunning distinctive seals. But many perplexing questions remain unanswered.

One has stood out: who exactly were the people of the Indus civilisation? A response may come within weeks.

“Our research will most definitely provide an answer. This will be a major breakthrough. I am very excited,” said Vasant Shinde, an Indian archaeologist leading current excavations at Rakhigarhi, which was discovered in 1965.

Shinde’s conclusions will be published in the new year. They are based on DNA sequences derived from four skeletons – of two men, a woman and a child –excavated eight months ago and checked against DNA data from tens of thousands of people from all across the subcontinent, central Asia and Iran.

“The DNA is likely to be incredibly interesting and it has the potential to address all sorts of challenging questions about the population history of the people of the Indus civilisation,” said Dr Cameron Petrie, an expert in south Asian and Iranian archaeology at the University of Cambridge.

The origins of the people of the Indus Valley civilisation has prompted a long-running argument that has lasted for more than five decades.

Some scholars have suggested that they were originally migrants from upland plateaux to the west. Others have maintained the civilisation was made up of indigenous local groups, while some have said it was a mixture of both, and part of a network of different communities in the region. Experts have also debated whether the civilisation succumbed to a traumatic invasion by so-called “Aryans” whose chariots they were unable to resist, or in fact peaceably assimilated a series of waves of migration over many decades or centuries.

The new data will provide definitive answers, at least for the population of Rakhigarhi.

“There is already evidence of intermarriage and mixing through trade and so forth for a long time and the DNA will tell us for sure,” Shinde said.

The conclusions from the new research on the skeletal DNA sample – though focused on the bronze age – are likely to be controversial in a region riven by religious, ethnic and nationalist tensions.

Hostile neighbours India and Pakistan have fought three wars since winning their independence from the British in 1947, and have long squabbled over the true centre of the Indus civilisation, which straddles the border between the countries.

Shinde said Rakhigarhi was a bigger city than either Mohenjo-daro or Harrapa, two sites in Pakistan previously considered the centre of the Indus civilisation.

Some in India will also be keen to claim any new research supports their belief that the Rig Veda, an ancient text sacred to Hindus compiled shortly after the demise of the Indus Valley civilisation, is reliable as an historical record.

The question of links between today’s inhabitants of the area and those who lived, farmed, and died here millennia ago has also prompted fierce argument.

There are other mysteries too. The Indus Valley civilisation flourished for three thousand years before disappearing suddenly around 1500 BC. Theories range from the drying up of local rivers to an epidemic. Recently, research has focused on climate change undermining the irrigation-based agriculture on which an advanced urban society was ultimately dependent.

Soil samples around the skeletons from which samples were sent for DNA analysis have also been despatched. Traces of parasites may tell archaeologists what the people of the Indus Valley civilisation ate. Three-dimensional modelling technology will also allow a reconstruction of the physical appearance of the dead.

“For the first time we will see the face of these people,” Shinde said.

In Rakhigarhi village, there are mixed emotions about the forthcoming revelations about the site.

Chand, the self-appointed guide and amateur expert, hopes the local government will finally fulfil longstanding promises to build a museum, an auditorium and hotel for tourists there.

“This is a neglected site and now that will change. This place should be as popular as the Taj Mahal. There should be hundreds, thousands of visitors coming,” Chand told the Guardian.

A brief glance at the rubbish strewn middens which the mounds of the ancient city have become, indicates the work to be done before Rakhigarhi becomes a major attraction. The inhabitants of today’s Rakhigarhi lack many of the facilities enjoyed by those who lived there in the bronze age. Raj Bhi Malik, the village head, sees an opportunity to develop more than the site’s ancient heritage.

“We want a museum and all that certainly … but also clean drinking water, proper sanitation, an animal hospital, a clinic too,” Malik said.

A very nice and informative thread..... looking forward to the results ... i hope kashmiri pandit will report the ancient mystery in here.....i m waiting for teh result

 

[Soulspeek]

Lemme break it to you. Your ancestors were racist pigs who imposed caste system on the natives to maintain your hegemony. Your kind are ultimate racists who believe that they are superior to other races on the basis of their birth. In reality, your are dher pasli baniyas with potbellies n wiry legs.

dude she clearly Insulted my Ancestors three different times...

what if i tell you that your Ancestors are nothing but Savages, Inferior, Newcomer(who used to live in hut and they had no idea how to cover their body) ? aap ka reaction kya hoga ?

she's "Good" member for you but not for me.


miss popular ko ye k ho muje nahi

 

[Swastika]

Lemme break it to you. Your ancestors were racist pigs who imposed caste system on the natives to maintain your hegemony. Your kind are ultimate racists who believe that they are superior to other races on the basis of their birth. In reality, your are dher pasli baniyas with potbellies n wiry legs.

so what ?? its not their fault that ur ancestors were short dart hairy africans. youe Ancestors ACCEPTED my Ancestors Rule
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BopekuaIIAAC78R.jpg:small

so stop winning like a little bi*CH