Rajputs demand ban on release of Padmavati in Gautam Budh Nagar

[maravan91]

Rajputs demand ban on release of Padmavati in Gautam Budh Nagar

http://m.hindustantimes.com/noida/n...-budh-nagar/story-nrGxaXvLJ3cLYC51uNvk5I.html

 

[hussain0216]

Why?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Cause they lost the war some guy (forgot) his name opened the doors of the castle and the Padmavati jumped in fire so that Khilji can't have her when he reached the castle all He Khilji found was ashes and burned bodies

These pictures depicts the story
Now wait for the Movie Rajputs gonna win in the movie for sure and Khilji will be defeated

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Cause they lost the war some guy (forgot) his name opened the doors of the castle and the Padmavati jumped in fire so that Khilji can't have her when he reached the castle all He Khilji found was ashes and burned bodies

These pictures depicts the story
Now wait for the Movie Rajputs gonna win in the movie for sure and Khilji will be defeated

But they are complaining about "love scene" between their Queen and Alauddin Khilji.

Boy, dont they hate love jihad.

 

[RISING SUN]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/protesters-assault-sanjay-leela-bhansali-at-padmavati-set.474765/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/padm...on-fire-sanjay-leela-bhansali-is-safe.483684/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/will...-history-dishonours-queen-rajput-clan.523655/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/if-p...wont-spare-bhansali-rajput-karni-sena.526526/
@waz Can you please merge all above posted threads in this thread for ease of reading in 1 place? Thank you.

Makers did not specify if 'Padmavati' is fiction or based on facts: CBFC
Breaking his silence on the 'Padmavati' row, CBFC chief and adman-lyricist Prasoon Joshi said on Saturday that it was a matter of concern that makers of the film were releasing it to the media even before it has been reviewed, approved and certified by the Censor Board.

Joshi explained that the film has been sent back to its makers for leaving blank a crucial column in its application that requires them to state whether the work is based on fiction or draws from history - a point of contention between the producers and protestors claiming a distortion of the story of the Mewar queen.

TOI had on Friday reported that the sticking point in 'Padmavati''s application for certification was Part 7(a) of the form for films produced in India, which mandates that filmmakers "specify whether the film is based on fiction or true incident or true story or mythology or epic or devotional or biographical and if so the source from which it has been made may be mentioned (sic)."

In an official statement issued on Saturday, Joshi clarified that the application form seeking certification for 'Padmavati' had left this column blank, leading the board to return the incomplete form. "Padmavati's application came up this week for review. Makers admit the paper work isn't complete. The disclaimer whether the film is a work of fiction or historical was left blank and on being asked to provide important documents, they targeted CBFC for 'looking the other way'. It is surprising," Joshi said.

Joshi also noted the tendency of filmmakers to bypass the censor board and share the film with media even before it was approved and certified by the board. He said, "It is disappointing that 'Padmavati' is being screened for media and getting reviewed on national channels without CBFC having seen or certified the film." He also said circumventing the CBFC, "compromises the role of systems and balances that are part of a functioning industry; it's myopic to treat certification process haphazardly to suit convenience. On one hand, holding CBFC responsible and pressuring it to accelerate the process, and, on other, hand attempt to subvert the very process, sets an opportunistic precedent (sic)."
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/pa...re-approval-cbfc/amp_articleshow/61707701.cms

 

[RISING SUN]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/now-...-crore-for-beheading-deepika-bhansali.529303/
@waz Please merge above mentioned thread as well in this thread. Too many threads are being created instead of one common thread where all aspects can be discussed. Thank you.

Padmavati: Sorry Deepika, your charge that India has 'regressed' as a nation doesn't make sense
Bollywood superstar Deepika Padukone has said that India has "regressed" as a nation, in an apparent reaction to the continued controversy over the Sanjay Bhansali movie Padmavati, where she performs the title role as the Rani Padmini of Chittor.

In an interview on Tuesday to news agency IANS, the actor said, "It's appalling, it's absolutely appalling. What have we gotten ourselves into? And where have we reached as a nation? We have regressed."

Though her comments seem to have been triggered by dogged protests over the film and the vandalism it has been subjected to at various stages of shooting and promotion, Deepika's charge implicates the whole nation and deserves close scrutiny. The question is, do protests over the movie signify that India has "regressed" as a nation?


Deepika Padukone in Padmavati. Image via Facebook

The 31-year-old actor, no stranger to the Bollywood industry and the rules and regulations that govern it, would know that every movie needs a clearance from the Central Board of Film Certification (CBFC) before it may be released for screening. The CBFC is a statutory body which comes under the Union ministry of information and broadcasting to regulate public exhibition of films under the provisions of the Cinematograph Act, 1952.

The CBFC is therefore a government institution, though it ostensibly enjoys autonomy in its decisions. Has the CBFC banned the movie, or refused to issue a certification? Has it even asked the makers to lob off portions of it as a precondition for release? The answer, till now at the time of writing, is no. The movie, which is scheduled to be released on 1 December, is still awaiting certification.

The immediate question is why has there been a delay in certification? Is the CBFC dragging its feet over the decision?

It is interesting to note that the delay was on part of the filmmakers, who missed the deadline of submitting the movie for certification at least 68 days before its release. A CBFC spokesperson has indirectly criticised the makers for not sticking to the deadline, noting that a delay "creates confusion as it potentially indicates the mounting of undue pressure and unfair criticism of the CBFC," according to a report filed by ANI on 9 November.

It appears that the movie was finally submitted for certification on Friday. Ajit Andhare, COO of Viacom18 Motion Pictures told PTI that the makers do not anticipate any delay on CBFC's part. “Bhansali Production applied online last Friday. We are waiting to hear from the board for the screening. That is our first priority. I am not foreseeing any problem. No film in the history of censor board has got delayed, I have no reason to believe the film will be delayed. We have nothing to worry (about),” he said.

So let us recount the facts. The movie is still waiting for a CBFC certification due to a delay on part of the makers. The censor board has not yet asked the makers to edit out any portions. It has not taken any measures that can be termed as preventive.

The Union I&B ministry has been receiving deputations from different protest groups asking for the movie to be banned. One BJP leader from Mumbai has even written to minister Smriti Irani, requesting her intervention to stop the release. According to Amarjeet Mishra, the movie "distorts history", shows queen Padmini in "bad light" and "hurts the sentiment of Hindus".

So far, Irani has refused to pay heed to the protests. In fact, on the sidelines of a recent event Irani, the I&B minister, came out in support of the movie and assured the makers that miscreants would not be allowed to stop its screening.

"I am sure law and order will be under control… The State government will ensure no miscreants disrupt any kind of interaction or display. I don’t envisage any problem. If there is any challenge, the State government will meet it," the Union minister told filmmaker Karan Johar during the sidelines of a recent event.

It is also to be noted here that the Supreme Court has refused to stay the release of the movie, dismissing a plea and has backed the CBFC to take the correct decision. The film's trailer, released on YouTube, has received huge response from the public, leading the artists to express their happiness.

So now the question to Deepika is, on what parameters did she adjudge "India as a nation" to be "regressed" when the government, its statutory arm, the judiciary and even the public have come out in support for the movie?

Or does she consider the factions who have protested against the movie to be the only representatives for the nation? Stretching this logic takes us to the point of incredulity where it would seem that the Bollywood actor has no faith in the different constituents of Indian democracy and has a very narrow understanding of the word 'nation'.

More unfortunately, Deepika's reaction, where she says that "this is not about Padmavati... We're fighting a much bigger battle", is indicative of the completely wrong notion about freedom of expression that many like her suffer from. The Bollywood actor needs to realize that freedom of expression is not a one-way street, nor can it be suited to meet only one end in a diverse democracy such as ours.

Just as the film industry and those associated with it enjoy their rights for creative freedom, similarly those who consume the contents have every right to express their opinion and dissent. They also enjoy the right to assemble and protest against a movie. Instead of signifying India's regression, it symbolizes the vibrancy of our democracy.

Equally, nobody can condone violence and vandalism in the name of protests and it is incumbent on the state government to ensure that law and order is maintained. Deepika was correct in expressing her anguish against the vandalism that has been carried out against the movie, repeatedly. The film's sets in Jaipur were vandalized, costumes were burnt. On Tuesday some goons who went by the name of "Karni Sena" rampaged a theatre hall in Kota and vandalised a mall in the name of Hinduism. Thus must go down as a failure on Vasundhara Raje government's part which has so far emerged as an incompetent administration.

But on a more broader question, Deepika's effort to tar the entire nation as "regressive" is unfair and nonsensical. Her comments, however, go much beyond than just tar a nation. It represents a marvelous insensitivity to the delicate structure of this diverse democracy where societal balance is incumbent on a tacit understanding that contentious issues and subjects that generate passion among different faiths and communities should not be carelessly poked.

In a letter to Irani and prime minister Narendra Modi, a member of the Udaipur-Mewar royal family has alleged that the film is based on a source that is inaccurate. According to M K Vishvaraj Singh, Sufi poet Malik Muhammad Jayasi's 'Padmavat', that the movie ostensibly relies heavily on, is an allegorical work that "does not claim to be, nor is it regarded as, historically accurate." Singh goes on to write that "If the film professes to be history and its maker goes on record to claim that he has kept in mind the cultural sensitivities, then it's an artistic and historic fraud to portray a 'queen' attired inaccurately, courtesan-like and as a painted doll in a film that purports to pay obeisance to her."

The question ultimately boils down to values of liberalism taking precedence over cultural sensitivities. While it is undoubtedly a liberal idea to question legends, myths and cultural sensibilities and subject them to creative explorations, such efforts must be done carefully.

In 1998, Nobel Laureate VS Naipaul told Hindu newspaper on the subject of Islamic invasion of India that: "I think when you see so many Hindu temples of the 10th century or earlier disfigured, defaced, you realise that something terrible happened. I feel that the civilisation of that closed world was mortally wounded by those invasions ... The Old World is destroyed. That has to be understood. Ancient Hindu India was destroyed."

Invasion of India by Islamic conquerors is a contentious subject that may lie in far-history but still shapes our reactions in near-present. Alauddin Khilji's invasion of Chittor fort and Rani Padmini's self-immolation wakes up many sleeping dogs and pokes at these resentful memories. It is understandable that there will be protests. It is through these protests and arguments that an argumentative democracy advances. To label these as "regressive" is to miss the point altogether.
http://www.firstpost.com/entertainm...ed-as-a-nation-doesnt-make-sense-4211045.html

 

[Joe Shearer]

Rajputs demand ban on release of Padmavati in Gautam Budh Nagar

http://m.hindustantimes.com/noida/n...-budh-nagar/story-nrGxaXvLJ3cLYC51uNvk5I.html

Time we banned Rajputs, more to the point.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/now-...-crore-for-beheading-deepika-bhansali.529303/
@waz Please merge above mentioned thread as well in this thread. Too many threads are being created instead of one common thread where all aspects can be discussed. Thank you.

Padmavati: Sorry Deepika, your charge that India has 'regressed' as a nation doesn't make sense
Bollywood superstar Deepika Padukone has said that India has "regressed" as a nation, in an apparent reaction to the continued controversy over the Sanjay Bhansali movie Padmavati, where she performs the title role as the Rani Padmini of Chittor.

In an interview on Tuesday to news agency IANS, the actor said, "It's appalling, it's absolutely appalling. What have we gotten ourselves into? And where have we reached as a nation? We have regressed."

Though her comments seem to have been triggered by dogged protests over the film and the vandalism it has been subjected to at various stages of shooting and promotion, Deepika's charge implicates the whole nation and deserves close scrutiny. The question is, do protests over the movie signify that India has "regressed" as a nation?


Deepika Padukone in Padmavati. Image via Facebook

The 31-year-old actor, no stranger to the Bollywood industry and the rules and regulations that govern it, would know that every movie needs a clearance from the Central Board of Film Certification (CBFC) before it may be released for screening. The CBFC is a statutory body which comes under the Union ministry of information and broadcasting to regulate public exhibition of films under the provisions of the Cinematograph Act, 1952.

The CBFC is therefore a government institution, though it ostensibly enjoys autonomy in its decisions. Has the CBFC banned the movie, or refused to issue a certification? Has it even asked the makers to lob off portions of it as a precondition for release? The answer, till now at the time of writing, is no. The movie, which is scheduled to be released on 1 December, is still awaiting certification.

The immediate question is why has there been a delay in certification? Is the CBFC dragging its feet over the decision?

It is interesting to note that the delay was on part of the filmmakers, who missed the deadline of submitting the movie for certification at least 68 days before its release. A CBFC spokesperson has indirectly criticised the makers for not sticking to the deadline, noting that a delay "creates confusion as it potentially indicates the mounting of undue pressure and unfair criticism of the CBFC," according to a report filed by ANI on 9 November.

It appears that the movie was finally submitted for certification on Friday. Ajit Andhare, COO of Viacom18 Motion Pictures told PTI that the makers do not anticipate any delay on CBFC's part. “Bhansali Production applied online last Friday. We are waiting to hear from the board for the screening. That is our first priority. I am not foreseeing any problem. No film in the history of censor board has got delayed, I have no reason to believe the film will be delayed. We have nothing to worry (about),” he said.

So let us recount the facts. The movie is still waiting for a CBFC certification due to a delay on part of the makers. The censor board has not yet asked the makers to edit out any portions. It has not taken any measures that can be termed as preventive.

The Union I&B ministry has been receiving deputations from different protest groups asking for the movie to be banned. One BJP leader from Mumbai has even written to minister Smriti Irani, requesting her intervention to stop the release. According to Amarjeet Mishra, the movie "distorts history", shows queen Padmini in "bad light" and "hurts the sentiment of Hindus".

So far, Irani has refused to pay heed to the protests. In fact, on the sidelines of a recent event Irani, the I&B minister, came out in support of the movie and assured the makers that miscreants would not be allowed to stop its screening.

"I am sure law and order will be under control… The State government will ensure no miscreants disrupt any kind of interaction or display. I don’t envisage any problem. If there is any challenge, the State government will meet it," the Union minister told filmmaker Karan Johar during the sidelines of a recent event.

It is also to be noted here that the Supreme Court has refused to stay the release of the movie, dismissing a plea and has backed the CBFC to take the correct decision. The film's trailer, released on YouTube, has received huge response from the public, leading the artists to express their happiness.

So now the question to Deepika is, on what parameters did she adjudge "India as a nation" to be "regressed" when the government, its statutory arm, the judiciary and even the public have come out in support for the movie?

Or does she consider the factions who have protested against the movie to be the only representatives for the nation? Stretching this logic takes us to the point of incredulity where it would seem that the Bollywood actor has no faith in the different constituents of Indian democracy and has a very narrow understanding of the word 'nation'.

More unfortunately, Deepika's reaction, where she says that "this is not about Padmavati... We're fighting a much bigger battle", is indicative of the completely wrong notion about freedom of expression that many like her suffer from. The Bollywood actor needs to realize that freedom of expression is not a one-way street, nor can it be suited to meet only one end in a diverse democracy such as ours.

Just as the film industry and those associated with it enjoy their rights for creative freedom, similarly those who consume the contents have every right to express their opinion and dissent. They also enjoy the right to assemble and protest against a movie. Instead of signifying India's regression, it symbolizes the vibrancy of our democracy.

Equally, nobody can condone violence and vandalism in the name of protests and it is incumbent on the state government to ensure that law and order is maintained. Deepika was correct in expressing her anguish against the vandalism that has been carried out against the movie, repeatedly. The film's sets in Jaipur were vandalized, costumes were burnt. On Tuesday some goons who went by the name of "Karni Sena" rampaged a theatre hall in Kota and vandalised a mall in the name of Hinduism. Thus must go down as a failure on Vasundhara Raje government's part which has so far emerged as an incompetent administration.

But on a more broader question, Deepika's effort to tar the entire nation as "regressive" is unfair and nonsensical. Her comments, however, go much beyond than just tar a nation. It represents a marvelous insensitivity to the delicate structure of this diverse democracy where societal balance is incumbent on a tacit understanding that contentious issues and subjects that generate passion among different faiths and communities should not be carelessly poked.

In a letter to Irani and prime minister Narendra Modi, a member of the Udaipur-Mewar royal family has alleged that the film is based on a source that is inaccurate. According to M K Vishvaraj Singh, Sufi poet Malik Muhammad Jayasi's 'Padmavat', that the movie ostensibly relies heavily on, is an allegorical work that "does not claim to be, nor is it regarded as, historically accurate." Singh goes on to write that "If the film professes to be history and its maker goes on record to claim that he has kept in mind the cultural sensitivities, then it's an artistic and historic fraud to portray a 'queen' attired inaccurately, courtesan-like and as a painted doll in a film that purports to pay obeisance to her."

The question ultimately boils down to values of liberalism taking precedence over cultural sensitivities. While it is undoubtedly a liberal idea to question legends, myths and cultural sensibilities and subject them to creative explorations, such efforts must be done carefully.

In 1998, Nobel Laureate VS Naipaul told Hindu newspaper on the subject of Islamic invasion of India that: "I think when you see so many Hindu temples of the 10th century or earlier disfigured, defaced, you realise that something terrible happened. I feel that the civilisation of that closed world was mortally wounded by those invasions ... The Old World is destroyed. That has to be understood. Ancient Hindu India was destroyed."

Invasion of India by Islamic conquerors is a contentious subject that may lie in far-history but still shapes our reactions in near-present. Alauddin Khilji's invasion of Chittor fort and Rani Padmini's self-immolation wakes up many sleeping dogs and pokes at these resentful memories. It is understandable that there will be protests. It is through these protests and arguments that an argumentative democracy advances. To label these as "regressive" is to miss the point altogether.
http://www.firstpost.com/entertainm...ed-as-a-nation-doesnt-make-sense-4211045.html

As usual, the mistake that majoritarians, born and bred, make is that the majority must determine what is characteristic of the nation. As usual, that is completely wrong. It is the violent, the unreasoning and the addle-witted that sets the tone. It is the violent Naxalite that forms the imagery for the left. It is the violent and unspeakable Bajrang Dal that forms the imagery for the right. And it goes beyond imagery. The Naxalites don't mouth anger; they kill people. The Bajrang Dal don't mouth anger; they kill people. In this case, too, there is nothing wrong with expressing dissatisfaction, and unhappiness and contempt for the artistic insensitivity of the director; but there is EVERYTHING wrong with making death threats as an integral part of such free expressions. That is the insensitive, law-destroying part of the protests that justifies the anguish and anger that Deepika Padukone has expressed. None of them have a right to threaten somebody else for creating a movie that they don't agree with, not even if the proper forms, with the proper paragraphs have not been filled in. It is no longer, then, the rule of law; it comes down to the rule of the majority, and to people deciding which part of the law applies to them and which part does not.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Love jihad... Zindabad


In Hindu terrorists ke **** main merchi lage howe hai. Hilarious!

 

[pothead]

https://twitter.com/x/status/934085123682615296

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Cause they lost the war some guy (forgot) his name opened the doors of the castle and the Padmavati jumped in fire so that Khilji can't have her when he reached the castle all He Khilji found was ashes and burned bodies

These pictures depicts the story
Now wait for the Movie Rajputs gonna win in the movie for sure and Khilji will be defeated

You do know that this whole story is pure fiction right?, the Indians are protesting against the possible rape of a fictional character while ignoring the fact that thousands of their real sisters are getting raped every day, the irony.

I guess when they rape their own women is completely ok but if someone from the "outside" attempts to rape their women then it's a big no no.

 

[Hiptullha]

https://twitter.com/x/status/934085123682615296

Just goes to show Hindu bigotry is present in all Indian parties. The overton window in India is shifted so far right that your 'secular' and 'moderate' parties make these kind of threats.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/protesters-assault-sanjay-leela-bhansali-at-padmavati-set.474765/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/padm...on-fire-sanjay-leela-bhansali-is-safe.483684/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/will...-history-dishonours-queen-rajput-clan.523655/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/if-p...wont-spare-bhansali-rajput-karni-sena.526526/
@waz Can you please merge all above posted threads in this thread for ease of reading in 1 place? Thank you.

Makers did not specify if 'Padmavati' is fiction or based on facts: CBFC
Breaking his silence on the 'Padmavati' row, CBFC chief and adman-lyricist Prasoon Joshi said on Saturday that it was a matter of concern that makers of the film were releasing it to the media even before it has been reviewed, approved and certified by the Censor Board.

Joshi explained that the film has been sent back to its makers for leaving blank a crucial column in its application that requires them to state whether the work is based on fiction or draws from history - a point of contention between the producers and protestors claiming a distortion of the story of the Mewar queen.

TOI had on Friday reported that the sticking point in 'Padmavati''s application for certification was Part 7(a) of the form for films produced in India, which mandates that filmmakers "specify whether the film is based on fiction or true incident or true story or mythology or epic or devotional or biographical and if so the source from which it has been made may be mentioned (sic)."

In an official statement issued on Saturday, Joshi clarified that the application form seeking certification for 'Padmavati' had left this column blank, leading the board to return the incomplete form. "Padmavati's application came up this week for review. Makers admit the paper work isn't complete. The disclaimer whether the film is a work of fiction or historical was left blank and on being asked to provide important documents, they targeted CBFC for 'looking the other way'. It is surprising," Joshi said.

Joshi also noted the tendency of filmmakers to bypass the censor board and share the film with media even before it was approved and certified by the board. He said, "It is disappointing that 'Padmavati' is being screened for media and getting reviewed on national channels without CBFC having seen or certified the film." He also said circumventing the CBFC, "compromises the role of systems and balances that are part of a functioning industry; it's myopic to treat certification process haphazardly to suit convenience. On one hand, holding CBFC responsible and pressuring it to accelerate the process, and, on other, hand attempt to subvert the very process, sets an opportunistic precedent (sic)."
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/pa...re-approval-cbfc/amp_articleshow/61707701.cms

Why weren't Indians attacking theatres and cinemas for the blatant butchery of Indus valley history when that trainwreck of a film, Mohenjo Daro was released?