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only religious sunnis (jamaati types, NOT shia or bohra or ismaili, ahmedi etc) and communist dalits (bhim army types and JNU college kids etc)

have a problem with India (Hindus/dharmis)

That is 85% of muslim population in India

There are two major denominations amongst Indian Muslims. The majority of Indian Muslims (over 85%) belong to the Sunni branch of Islam while a substantial minority (over 13%) belong to the Shia branch.

if majority of muslims have issues with hindutvas than muslims have issues with hindutvas.

Your statement seems like only minority of muslims have issues with hindutvas.

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Many indian muslims have insulted your leaders for poking nose in our affairs, but you guyz still dont mend the ways. You dont want me to put a video of indian muslim insulting musarraf on a live show , do you ?


Yaar, they have been forced to wake up



Indian Muslims considered themselves Indian, they defended India every time we told them it was a disaster
They said the bad things were just individual instances not due to state or people



Then hindutva extremism, poison, Modi, yogi happened
now judiciary is hindutva and dosent even prosecute hindutva extremist mobs, Your police join hindutva mobs during riots
india has become a incredibly POISONOUS communal shithole, where Indians hate each other


So even Indian Muslims and wider minorities now can't deny

indja is very divided Internally and it one of ISI main targets
 
Again hypocrite Pakistanis will praise Rahul as if we consider hindus of Pakistan as human beings lol
 
Yaar, they have been forced to wake up



Indian Muslims considered themselves Indian, they defended India every time we told them it was a disaster
They said the bad things were just individual instances not due to state or people



Then hindutva extremism, poison, Modi, yogi happened
now judiciary is hindutva and dosent even prosecute hindutva extremist mobs, Your police join hindutva mobs during riots
india has become a incredibly POISONOUS communal shithole, where Indians hate each other


So even Indian Muslims and wider minorities now can't deny

indja is very divided Internally and it one of ISI main targets

India is democracy, and hence muslims and dalites and etc can always vote out modi and bring congress back to power. Fact that it didn't happened in 2019, goe to show its all BS.
 
India is democracy, and hence muslims and dalites and etc can always vote out modi and bring congress back to power. Fact that it didn't happened in 2019, goe to show its all BS.


Yaar your capital city was burning for days

Your police were joining Hindutva extremist mobs to attack Indian Muslim localities

You had months of protest against anti Indian Muslim laws

Even your pandemic is communal 😂



India at the moment is a UTTER HINDUTVA EXTREMIST COMMUNAL SHITHOLE
 
Yaar your capital city was burning for days

Your police were joining Hindutva extremist mobs to attack Indian Muslim localities

You had months of protest against anti Indian Muslim laws

Even your pandemic is communal 😂



India at the moment is a UTTER HINDUTVA EXTREMIST COMMUNAL SHITHOLE

Nobody is gathering in delhi for modis resignation. So its better you waste your energy in saving imran khan.
 

Nobody is gathering in delhi for modis resignation. So its better you waste your energy in saving imran khan.


That's called democracy



I repeat on what basis should Indian Muslims or Minorities give any loyalty to a hindutva extremist state?
 
I am not much of a fan of history but I know of two things about India. (a) The Mughals had both Lahore and Delhi within their dominion. (b) I think, Tipu Sultan, with French assistance, wanted to gain governance of all of India, including what is today Pakistan.

Brother, with respect, the examples you gave have value of less then zero. I'll try and explain why.

To claim a historical nation, you have to have valid reasons, and those reasons have to apply across the world. You cannot have one logic for the rest of the world and another logic for a different area, for example, India. Historical nationhood has to be based on certain metrics, at the very least shared language, shared religion and shared cultural practices, I will leave other metrics for now.

China is actually over 90% Han ethnicity, they can actually claim historical nationhood despite being such a vast country, because ethnically and linguistically they can claim historical linkages.

India cannot make any such claims, India has no historical single language, only claim is made regarding Sanskrit, but it was only in use in north region of South Asia, nowhere else, and even there it was not a language of the masses, just for the higher castes and use in literature. There are many independent languages of South Asia, completely different from one another, even today Hindi is not accepted as a national language.

Historically, areas were ruled by Kingdoms or Empires, they always had a centre and conquered neighbouring areas, but that did not mean everyone in that area was the same, for example, when the Maratha went about conquering other parts of South Asia, the Gujratis did not become Maratha, nor did a Bengali become a Maratha. The Maratha actually killed 500,000 Bengalis and Beharis.
There is no unified Hindu religion, even today the southern areas have a totally different version of Hinduism then the north. My Bengali Hindu friends celebrate festivals, my other Hindu friends do not.

The claim of historical Indian nationhood has no basis in reality, no reasoning, no logic, but it is still used to spread hate.

In Europe, most Europeans claim philosophical heritage of Greek philosophy and democracy as shared ownership. The Roman empire actually ruled over most of Europe for a thousand years, nothing like that ever happened in India and during those times, Latin was the single most important language in Europe, and used widely, even today, most of the European languages have strong links to the Latin language.

The European royalty has always intermarried, the British royal family is actually German, they share music, cultural practices, and have a shared Christian heritage of over a thousand years old, non of these things can be claimed for India or not as strongly as they have happened in Europe.
And, yet no one cries in Europe about Europe MATA, and shouts hate against anyone for that reason. They recognise we are the same, but we are also different.

Look at the Arabs, it is a one big landmass, they all call themselves Arabs, they have a shared ethnicity, shared culture, language, history under single rule, and over 90% of Arabs have the same religion, but no one cries about Arab MATA or anything of the sort, or shouts hate for being in different countries.

In India they make it seem like a murder was committed in 1947, but where is the logic, reasoning, there is NONE.
It is a massive lie, a fabrication and a stupidity. It is good to be a proud Indian, but it is not good to create a false history and then use it to spread hate, that is what has been happening without question.
That is wrong. And people have started to question it. Be a proud India, but it has to be based on facts, not Hindu revisionism.

I agree. But Turkey is also at fault at rejecting a place within the Eastern bloc, I think before of historical Turk-Rus antagonism.

The point was that religion always plays a part in defining a sense of nationhood. So, the two-nation theory is not a theory, but a fact that has always existed and always will exist everywhere in the world, including India. Recognising a religious identity in your nationhood does not have to mean you oppress or give less rights to others. In Pakistan non-Muslims actually have more then one vote in elections according to the constitution, almost no-one knows it or they don't recognise it, but it is practiced without any issues.

Turkey did not reject anything, because it did not have to accept everything like a blank cheque. When the issue of Turkey's membership to European Union began, these European states were still communist babies, they were just coming out, they were all given a free pass and despite Turkey doing all that was required, it was still kept out. That is also the reason why turkey stopped looking to the West and started looking towards South and East.
 
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Number of coups pakistan had, and every elected pm is either fleed the country, bombed or jailed. Democracy is the word pakistan should not utter. Its all chaos and failure to say the least.


Yes India is a democracy just because elections are held...

Just as India is a secular country with Hindutvadis elected to rule the country, a Hindu Rashtra in reality.

Democracy is about equality...with Dalits about (350 million) of them and Muslims close to 200 millions considered untouchables and not humans, how can India functions as a democratic country.

In all practical purpose, India is an 'Apartheid Nation'...
 
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Number of coups pakistan had, and every elected pm is either fleed the country, bombed or jailed. Democracy is the word pakistan should not utter. Its all chaos and failure to say the least.


PAKISTAN is a democracy


The opposition have right to free protest

Their is no riots here like in India
People don't get lynched for eating meat
Our police don't join mobs or burn rape victims in the middle of the night

In 70 years PAKISTAN has never voted for extremists, like India does with the like of Yogi or Modi


What use is India's so called democracy when such hindutva poison is borne from it
 
PAKISTAN is a democracy


The opposition have right to free protest

Their is no riots here like in India
People don't get lynched for eating meat
Our police don't join mobs or burn rape victims in the middle of the night

In 70 years PAKISTAN has never voted for extremists, like India does with the like of Yogi or Modi


What use is India's so called democracy when such hindutva poison is borne from it


Democarcy No...Hypocrisy Yes, this is what India is all about.

India a supposedly secular country has elected a Hindu extremist non secular party and the head is a Muslim hater to the core with not a single Muslim MNA elected in BJP...and yet India calls itself a secular country to hogwash the world.


And how can a country which practices 'untouchability' be called a democracy...again an eyewash for the west and the world. India is an 'Apartheid country' in reality.
 
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Typical subcontinent politician, once they are in power they neither realize nor do anything for the suppressed ones but once they lose power, they realize everything. He needs to search his soul what his party once led by his grand mother or nominee of his mother did to address such issues or what they failed to do that situation has reached to present limit.
 
Can someone please explain the opposition to the two nation theory with logic, not sound bites. I've never been able to understand why it is so problematic in India. Is India a historical nation?

The reason for the opposition to the two nation theory has certainly evolved over the years, as the mindset in India has changed. Also, it differs from people to people, and depends on their understanding of history. For the current generation of India, a chauvinistic and jingoistic manifestation, where everything Muslim needs to be subjugated, the opposition to the two nation theory represents nothing more than a desire to triumph over this "Muslim" idea that created Pakistan.

In this world of competitive religion, everything that is Muslim needs to be subjugated, and if not possible, then appropriated as their own citing some bizarre Vedic logic.
 
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The reason for the opposition to the two nation theory has certainly evolved over the years, as the mindset in India has changed. Also, it differs from people to people, and depends on their understanding of history. For the current generation of India, a chauvinistic and jingoistic manifestation, where everything Muslim needs to be subjugated, the opposition to the two nation theory represents nothing more than a desire to triumph over this "Muslim" idea that created Pakistan.

In this world of competitive religion, everything that is Muslims needs to be subjugated, and if not possible, then appropriated as their own citing some bizarre Vedic logic.

For sure, I agree with you, and that's my interpretation as well. Although it is shameful that this kind of thinking permeates among the educated class as well, those who can be considered as intellectuals, that is very disappointing.
 
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