Raheel Sharif granted NOC as per due process: Ex MOD Khuwaja Asif

[Indus Pakistan]

@Indus Pakistan what was wrong in sending Raheel to Saudis? We managed both sides and stayed out of Yemen as well. If the purpose was to achieve our objective we did well.

Yes Raheel has performed less than what was expected from him like a $100 billion went to USA in a sec without US tasting any thing from it but we did okay with this whole show. Iran is closer and Saudis are more dependent.

The problem of Pakistan is we cannot throw away both Saudis and Iranians we have to find a balance among them and the Yemen war is the biggest exam Pakistan faced and we have done well in that. We did not killed a single Muslim in Yemen and yet we achieved diplomacy on both ends.

Your missing the point here. There is a world of differance bettwen private dealing/favours and state/organization dealings. I know UK has now preparing to leave EU via Brexit but I want you to consider Poland and UK. EU and NATO.

• When a Pole arrives at Heathrow Airport he is allowed into UK. Not as favour because the immigration officer likes him. Not because May is buddy with Polish PM. The Pole is allowed in not as some sort of favour either because well he is Christian. And Pole is not going to thank the British immigration officer. Indeed the Pole has a right, yes a legal right to come to UK. Well where does this right come from? It comes from legal treaty between UK and Polish states via EU. Meaning this is not about PM May and PM of PM Morawiecki. They can hate each other but Poles can come to UK subject to the legal treaty because the relationship is not about individuals but about the British state and Polish state.

• If tommorow Poland faces any military threat British military will go on red alert and if needed will be deployed in Poland side by side with Polish Army. This is not because the ex COAS of Polish Army got a job in UK or the British COAS got a job in Poland. No the help is legal requirement under treaty called NATO. Meaning UK as a state is by law obligated to help Poland and vice versa not as discretion or favour but by legal obligation.

In case of Pakistan our elites have built up a corrupt person 2 person relationships and with hell to Pakistan as a state. So if Raheel goes to KSA he is treated like a VIP but if a ordinary Pakistani like you and I go they will through us out like dogs unless we have job visa and Saudi sponsor - Kafeel. Meaning unless you don't have a Saudi individual as a 'mate' or employer your going to be one dog too many at the airport. You can cry hoarse that you are 'Bakistani' brother. Meaning we have zero state to state relationship or if we have it carries little value. While your being thrown out like a dog you might see a Indian walking past through immigration into KSA because he has a 'kafeel.

Now compare this with UK and Poland. A Polish builder lands at Heathrow. He will walk in unobstructed under the treaty obligation between UK and Poland [notwithstanding upcoming Brexit] and indeed will use the aisle marked "EU". The Indian builder will not be able to walk through the same aisle and will line up in "international". He an then cry all he wants like "I am the best builder on earth, I will work 16 hours a day for £10 a week" blah blah but he will not be allowed into UK. Simply because UK has no such legal relationship with India.

What I am saying is Pakistan needs to develop institutional ,legal treaty relationships with KSA and not private one to one, discretionery favours where now and then they chuck some money over to us or accord VIP status to some Pakistanis that they take a liking to because they think that will offer them some advantage.

 

[war&peace]

Lets wait and watch... if none is above the law and constitution...!

Who are you to comment on our internal issues?

 

[BHarwana]

Your missing the point here. There is a world of differance bettwen private dealing/favours and state/organization dealings. I know UK has now preparing to leave EU via Brexit but I want you to consider Poland and UK. EU and NATO.

• When a Pole arrives at Heathrow Airport he is allowed into UK. Not as favour because the immigration officer likes him. Not because May is buddy with Polish PM. The Pole is allowed in not as some sort of favour either because well he is Christian. And Pole is not going to thank the British immigration officer. Indeed the Pole has a right, yes a legal right to come to UK. Well where does this right come from? It comes from legal treaty between UK and Polish states via EU. Meaning this is not about PM May and PM of PM Morawiecki. They can hate each other but Poles can come to UK subject to the legal treaty because the relationship is not about individuals but about the British state and Polish state.

• If tommorow Poland faces any military threat British military will go on red alert and if needed will be deployed in Poland side by side with Polish Army. This is not because the ex COAS of Polish Army got a job in UK or the British COAS got a job in Poland. No the help is legal requirement under treaty called NATO. Meaning UK as a state is by law obligated to help Poland and vice versa not as discretion or favour but by legal obligation.

In case of Pakistan our elites have built up a corrupt person 2 person relationships and with hell to Pakistan as a state. So if Raheel goes to KSA he is treated like a VIP but if a ordinary Pakistani like you and I go they will through us out like dogs unless we have job visa and Saudi sponsor - Kafeel. Meaning unless you don't have a Saudi individual as a 'mate' or employer your going to be one dog too many at the airport. You can cry hoarse that you are 'Bakistani' brother. Meaning we have zero state to state relationship or if we have it carries little value. While your being thrown out like a dog you might see a Indian walking past through immigration into KSA because he has a 'kafeel.

Now compare this with UK and Poland. A Polish builder lands at Heathrow. He will walk in unobstructed under the treaty obligation between UK and Poland [notwithstanding upcoming Brexit] and indeed will use the aisle marked "EU". The Indian builder will not be able to walk through the same aisle and will line up in "international". He an then cry all he wants like "I am the best builder on earth, I will work 16 hours a day for £10 a week" blah blah but he will not be allowed into UK. Simply because UK has no such legal relationship with India.

What I am saying is Pakistan needs to develop institutional ,legal treaty relationships with KSA and not private one to one, discretionery favours where now and then they chuck some money over to us or accord VIP status to some Pakistanis that they take a liking to because they think that will offer them some advantage.

Well your points are 100% correct and you have explained it very well and I agree with you these are the trends of Zia era and Nawaz diplomacy.
Pakistan Army is not under Saudi control there are many indicators the biggest is US request of do more.

Lets wait and watch... if none is above the law and constitution...!

Seriously you want to wait and watch what? I can tell you before hand what will be the legal outcome of this.
Raheel will get legal NOC because MOD is federal cabinet.
Afghanistan is having presidential elections in 2019 who do you think will win?
I know who will win.

 

[war&peace]

Raheel is leading fanatic army of wahabbi state and they don’t have good intentions...Why he was granted NOC and why a general from a country which has reputation of harboring terrorists...that is my problem and i am concerned!

We should annex Afghanistan. Is that what you want?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And the mofo you have nurtured are back firing ... You bloody stupid breed have killed thousands of Pashtuns in Pakistan in this fuk***g strategic depth shit!

Okay since your a lady I will overlook the foul language and not report you because I want to explore your allegations. I accept Pashtuns have suffered on both sides but what if I suggested to you that Pashtuns have suffered far more in Afghanistan then Pakistan. And the mongol breed [that resemble what in UK used to be called 'Mong' retards, a genetic condition] you have in Afghanistan, the Turkic warlords like that Uzbek animal called Dostum and last but least that snarling Tajik dog called Abdullah Abdullah have systematically killed Pashtuns at scale that would warrent being called a genocide.

If you want let's play out from 1979 or if you want go earlier and tabulate the body counts and who was responsible. So go get your facts and I am game but let us both try to see if we can arrive at some understanding. If you don't then what is point of coming on this forum. I mean fighting and killing has not worked for both sides has it.

 

[Sheepistanis]

Raheel will get legal NOC because MOD is federal cabinet.

You are right, he may get the NoC, but that won't be a merited step. Cabinet is a federal body which is spearheaded by the PM and has all other federal ministers as its constituents. MoD is just one ministry in this link-up, has it got the authority to make decisions for the entire cabinet? An obvious answer

 

[Sarah Ahmadzai]

Okay since your a lady I will overlook the foul language and not report you because I want to explore your allegations. I accept Pashtuns have suffered on both sides but what if I suggested to you that Pashtuns have suffered far more in Afghanistan then Pakistan. And the mongol breed [that resemble what in UK used to be called 'Mong' retards, a genetic condition] you have in Afghanistan, the Turkic warlords like that Uzbek animal called Dostum and last but least that snarling Tajik dog called Abdullah Abdullah have systematically killed Pashtuns at scale that would warrent being called a genocide.

If you want let's play out from 1979 or if you want go earlier and tabulate the body counts and who was responsible. So go get your facts and I am game but let us both try to see if we can arrive at some understanding. If you don't then what is point of coming on this forum. I mean fighting and killing has not worked for both sides has it.

1st: I chose same words what you have used in the last lines of your comment!
2nd: Pashtuns on both sides of the DL are the victims of Pakistan’s strategic policy, if you weren’t meddling in the internal affairs of Afghanistan the sufferings could’ve ended at 90’s!
3rd: Please have a thorough research on the ethnic lineage of the personalities you’ve mentioned ... you’re way far from the facts!

We should annex Afghanistan. Is that what you want?

Dil Behlanay Ko Ghalib Khayal Acha Hai

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The British East India Company sent one clerk-turned-colonel named Robert Clive to India; the rest is history....

HM Intelligence Services sent a homosexual captain named Lawrence to the Arabian Pennisula; the rest is history.....

 

[Sarah Ahmadzai]

Pakistan is not afganistan where 10000 generals Fu*k around. They all are answerable be it IJI case or railway cases.

WOW!
Seriously! What happened to Durrani?!
His name was on ECL

 

[war&peace]

Dil Behlanay Ko Ghalib Khayal Acha Hai

You will get visa free entry, I promise.

 

[Sarah Ahmadzai]

The British East India Company sent one clerk-turned-colonel named Robert Clive to India; the rest is history....

HM Intelligence Services sent a homosexual captain named Lawrence to the Arabian Pennisula; the rest is history.....

Hy! Please tell us more...I'm really interested to know from you

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Hy! Please tell us more...I'm really interested to know from you

I am not...

 

[Sarah Ahmadzai]

You will get visa free entry, I promise.

I don’t need visa while visiting DL territory ...That’s my land none can dare to stop me!
OKAY!!!

 

[war&peace]

I don’t need visa while visiting DL...That’s my land none can dare to stop me!
OKAY!!!

You are so delusional that you make me laugh...with 70% of your country under Taliban control...which according to likes of you, Pakistan controls them... Don't you see the irony in your comment?

 

[Sarah Ahmadzai]

You are so delusional that you make me laugh...with 70% of your country under Taliban control...which according to likes of you, Pakistan controls them... Don't you see the irony in your comment?

Most of them will submit soon...And the remaining will move to Pakistan and will bite you back because they’re snakes...