Rafales are 'overhyped', Rafale is no 'game-changer' - Former indian airforce Air Vice Marshal

[Thorough Pro]

Deep inside Pakistan? really

Well one thing is sure, IAF was capable enough to go deep inside Pakistan and drop bombs without any resistance from PAF.
Hence rafael adds to these capabilities rather than being a paradigm shift in capabilities.

Replace Mig 21s with Rafaels ASAP...!!

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Every indian even the one without a Toilet has a per capita income of 50% higher than every pakistani

What does this sentence even mean?

Having usd10k doesn't mean your poorest have an income of usd10k.

Having more super rich does not make the situation of the poor any better. Per capita is just average income.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

This toilet thing is getting boring buddy
Every indian even the one without a Toilet has a per capita income of 50% higher than every pakistani

India can absorb rafale crashes it has the financial means to replace them. AND many more over time

take bk your 1000sq km first .

 

[Signalian]

The Rafale is superior to the J-11A/B, J-10A, Su-27SK/UBK, Su-30MKK/MK2, JH-7/A, and older PLAAF fighters. The only Chinese assets capable of holding their own against the Rafale are the J-10C, J-16, J-15B, J-20, and maybe (just maybe) the J-11BD.

Paper Tiger Analogy again.

SU30 MKI was considered superior to F-16 and JF-17, however as the events unfolded even the vintage Mirage-III and Mirage-V made their mark against anything that IAF could put in the air.

 

[Khan vilatey]

Remember when they called the Su-30MKI the "raptor of the east"? Just goes to show how delusional this lot of people really is.

It’s interesting, in decades of service with IAF, the Indians have yet to master the mig-21 let alone the su-30 mki

 

[IblinI]

Our sensational Mr maverick is back with his list and capital letters, with this mentality, he will never stand up on his own feet.

 

[IceCold]

Well one thing is sure, IAF was capable enough to go deep inside Pakistan and drop bombs without any resistance from PAF.
Hence rafael adds to these capabilities rather than being a paradigm shift in capabilities.

Replace Mig 21s with Rafaels ASAP...!!

If this is your yardstick to measure success than i pray that India embraces more success like this specially with Rafales.

 

[drunken-monke]

Pakistan has access to Rafales through Qatar & Egypt.

Pakistan pilot have flown Rafales.

This has been debunked several times.. These pilots haven't been ever in cockpit of the jet in discussion..

 

[drunken-monke]

One thing internet Indians won't understand is that even if you were tomorrow given F-35s and we had to respond with F-7s and Mirages, you might have in that case a huge tactical superiority, but your provocation would still not go answered, nor would you be immune to the consequences we decide to exact from you. But that is even if the situation was way more lop-sided, unfortunately for you, it isn't.

Indian air force came in the early hours of the morning in darkness, launched their SOWs from some distance, used diversionary tactics in other sectors. Granted then, India can target Pakistan with standoff weapons and conduct some degree of incursions and probing. But this confident fantasy of dominating our skies, deeper incursions into our airspace without being intercepted, is ill-founded.

In response to your strike. We entered your airspace, used SOWs and captured strike footage, we suppressed your local air defenses and shot down your interceptors. Our display was also undoubtedly more impressive. Both airforces displayed the capability to strike deep into enemy territory. Nothing has changed.

This is the kind of response every members should post on the forum, be it from anywhere..

Dear Jungibaaz, when such is quality of posting, trolling and flame-bait already been taken care off. I can not thank the post, but surely the quality is very high. Hoping for many more discussion and arguments and counter arguments with same or better quality.

 

[ziaulislam]

Anyway the larger heavier pulse rocket engine of PL-15 is equal or superior to meteor and more importantly PAF will get them in abudance rather then limited number of meteors india is acquring

 

[ziaulislam]

And kill one crow, 8 trees in return

While PAF didn't even cross LOC and made you shot down your own chopper, kill 6 of your own and also got a POW on camera as bonus

I would say it was probably the worst defeat of IAF in 24 hours skirmish ..
Not only the couldnt drop their bombs as proven by sat images(the very metric through which journalist are now judging india on india-china conflict) but also lost 3 aircarfts, half a dozen pilots killed and full day public bloody nose ans humiliation ..
You simply cant mess up more then this

 

[manga]

And no toilets to poor Indians.

Thats true, indians just happy to use Indus.

 

[Tair-Lahoti]

Keeping in view the topic, discussions must be related to topic. If you thing Rafale is over-hyped present your arguments in favor and vice versa. There must be a difference between social media trolling attacks and this forum. There is no use of dragging thread by posting and hurling insults and abuses and shaming.

 

[Figaro]

Thats true, indians just happy to use Indus.

Dumping untreated sewage/filth into a major river which hundreds of millions of people depend on is the worst thing ever. And I have seen a bunch of Indian crematoriums operate right next to the Ganges, where they subsequently dump the ashes straight into the river. I'm not sure why you would be proud of such filthy actions that civilizations even centuries ago would view with horror.

 

[Tair-Lahoti]

Technical merits aside, India’s order for only 36 Rafale jets was clearly a bow to fiscal realities.
The fleet will not fix India’s comparatively diminished air capabilities. Against a government-approved strength of 42 fighter squadrons, the Indian Air Force currently operates only 31. By 2024, the force will shed the last of its MiG-21 squadrons and add only two or three replacement squadrons over the same period, taking the Air Force down to 30 squadrons as it approaches the quarter mark of this century. Yet the length of India’s restive borders has not changed, nor has the scale of the military challenge posed by Pakistan and China. No matter how advanced the Rafale or how effective its long-range weaponry, the addition of 36 jets will not dramatically alter the balance of power in the region.

Rafale Jets Won’t Save India’s Air Force

Thanks to decades of underinvestment, the force has lost its edge over its increasingly aggressive rivals. A few more planes won’t fix that.

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