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France's Rafale May Not be the Best Choice for the Indian Air Force
May-21st-2019


The Indian Air Force has a long history of operating European military aircraft, most notably the Mirage 2000 which until the induction of the heavier MiG-29 in 1985 was considered the country’s most capable fighter for air to air combat and was relied on to counter the growing F-16A fleet of neighbouring Pakistan. Soviet and Russian jets came to comprise a greater proportion of the Indian fleet from the 1960s, and these fighters were far better placed to contend with American aircraft sold to neighbouring Pakistan as European platforms tended to lag behind in performance relative to those of the two superpowers. A part of the Indian inventory was nevertheless reserved for British and French jets. Of the Indian Air Force’s thirty four fighter squadrons today, these include three squadrons of Mirage 2000 fighters and five squadrons of Jaguar attack jets - or 26% of Indian squadrons with the remaining being Soviet or Russian designs such as the MiG-27 strike fighter or MiG-29 multirole fighter. In 2015, having gone over thirty years without an import order for non-Russian and non-Soviet fighters, the Indian government signed a highly controversial deal worth €7.8 billion ($8.7 billion) to acquire 36 Dassault Rafale ‘4+ generation’ fighters from France - a platform designed to replace the Mirage 2000 in the French fleet.


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Dassault Rafale '4+ Generation' Medium Fighter

India was the first client to show major interest in the Rafale, which had been in French service for almost 15 years with little success at promoting it overseas. At well over $200 million per fighter, the aircraft were far from cost effective even by European standards, with the United States and Russia developing and exporting far more sophisticated and heavier platforms such as the F-15E and Su-35 at a fraction of the cost. In terms of combat capabilities, the Rafale was a medium weight fighter comparable to but more sophisticated than the MiG-29, which was considerably outmatched in its performance by heavier fighters built around specialised air superiority or strike airframes. While the aircraft integrated an advanced active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, the small size of the radar relative to those fitted on heavier aircraft such as the J-20 or F-15SA limited its performance. Although the fighter was marketed as a highly manoeuvrable platform, engine performance was sub standard with French engine technologies appearing to lag several decades behind the United States and Russia with just 75kN of afterburner thrust seriously limited manoeuvrability when fully loaded and contributed to the fighter’s below average speed of Mach 1.8. Lack of thrust vectoring, which had begun to be integrated onto Russian and American jets in the 1990s and 2005 respectively, were also absent on the Rafale which further limited manoeuvrability. The French fighter’s altitude limit was extremely low by the standards of medium weight aircraft at little over 15km, meaning even other medium jets such as the MiG-29 and Eurofighter could fly considerably higher - let alone heavy platforms such the Su-30 and F-15 which were designed to operate at 20km altitudes.


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Rafale (left) and Su-30MKI Scale Comparison

The administration of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been repeatedly criticised by opposition for the Rafale deal, with the capabilities provided somewhat limited and the costs of the acquisition considered highly excessive. While supporters of the Rafale acquisition have claimed that the fighter would be the most capable in the Indian inventory, this claim remains highly questionable particularly when the aircraft is compared to the Su-30MKI - which currently forms the bulk fo the Indian fleet with twelve squadrons in service. This advanced Russian ‘4+ generation’ air superiority jet is among the most capable platforms of its generation in air to air combat, with its performance specifications exceeding those of the Rafale across the spectrum. Able to reach speeds of Mach 2.25, the Russian jet is 25% faster than the Rafale and can operate at altitudes over 30% higher. The fighter further deploys a 40% higher weapons payload and retains considerably superior manoeuvrability due to two dimensional thrust vectoring. Furthermore, the Rafale’s payload of air to air missiles is extremely limited with the fighter currently compatible only the MICA for longer ranged engagements - an ageing medium range design with an 80km range and limited electronic warfare countermeasures relative to more modern platforms. The Su-30MKI by contrast is compatible with some of the most capable air to air missiles developed, including the 110km range R-77 and 130km range R-27ER for long range engagements and the 400km range K-100 designed to engage heavier targets at extreme ranges. The Rafale is slated to deploy the European Meteor missile with a 300km range, though this has yet to be successfully integrated onto the French airframe and its capabilities remain questionable given European manufacturers' lack of experience with such advanced and long ranged munitions relative to the U.S. and Russia. The Su-30MKI is also expected to deploy a new missile in the near future, the R-37M, with a hypersonic speed of Mach 6 and 400km engagement range. The R-37 is currently deployed by Russian MiG-31 Foxhound interceptors, and is the fastest and longest ranged munition of its kind.


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Indian Air Force Su-30MKI


The advantage in quality of armaments further extends to the air to ground and anti shipping roles, with nothing the French platform can deploy being remotely compere to the Mach 3 BrahMos cruise missiles deployed by the Su-30MKI. New variants of these missiles are set to field hypersonic capabilities in the near future - with no remotely comparable developments in munitions announced for the Rafale. Despite the overwhelming superiority of the Su-30MKI, the Rafale’s cost is over four times as high and the Russian platform. Furthermore, the European jet cannot be jointly manufactured by India in any significant capacity and thus fails to further the goals of the Make in India initiative - where the Su-30 is not only jointly manufactured but in the case of many batches is fully built in India and modified to integrate indigenous Indian technologies. While the Su-30 has proven versatile enough to integrate systems from Europe, India and Russia, the Rafale by contrast is restricted solely to European armaments with even U.S. and Indian systems incompatible.


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Indian Su-30MKI Fighter Launches BrahMos Cruise Missile


With at least 14 Su-30MKI squadrons already planned, purchasing more of these jets may well not be the best option for the Indian Air Force should it seek to maintain the diversity of its fleet. Nevertheless, the Rafale remains far from an ideal choice, with many alternative options for medium and light fighters far more attractive in terms of performance and cost effectiveness. These include the Russian MiG-35 and American F-35A and F-16E which in the case of the first two boast far superior capabilities to the Rafale at a considerably lower cost. The MiG-35 for its part surpasses the Rafale’s capabilities across the spectrum, integrating comparable sensors with an AESA radar of its own and three dimensional thrust vectoring systems for manoeuvrability unrivalled by other jets in its weight range. The fighter’s compatibility with the active phased array antenna (APAA) guided K-77 air to air missiles and extremely low maintenance requirements further make it attractive, as is Russia’s willingness to transfer technologies, adjust the deign to suit Indian specifications and manufacture the aircraft jointly. While the F-35 has a number of drawbacks including high maintenance and heavy reliance on connectedness to an American centred network - which at timesposes a serious security risk to operators - the fighter’s advanced stealth capabilities and powerful sensors make it a force to be reckoned with and one of the most formidable platforms of its weight range. It is also cheaper and arguably far more cost effective than the Rafale. Modernisation of the indigenous HAL Tejas single engine light fighter design which entered service in 2018, a light AESA radar equipped jet with capabilities in some ways comparable to the American F-16, is another option which could yield perhaps the most cost effective results for the Indian Air Force and the best for its defence sector. Ultimately while options to replace the Rafale are many, acquiring further batches of the extremely costly fighters remains far from the best choice for the Indian Air Force to modernise its fleet's capabilities.

And then you have ACM Modi saying, 'If India had Rafales, Pakistan wouldn't have inflicted so much damage'. !!!
 
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total cost = $8.7 bln
number = 36 Rafales
per unit price = $242 million ...wow that is huge. In response PAF will fielding a home grown solution with export potential at $32-40 million
When deals are announced, some things get clubbed together i.e. spares, training, Tot in this case, ammo. So this figure of $242m/unit might not be very realistic.

France's Rafale May Not be the Best Choice for the Indian Air Force
May-21st-2019



The Indian Air Force has a long history of operating European military aircraft, most notably the Mirage 2000 which until the induction of the heavier MiG-29 in 1985 was considered the country’s most capable fighter for air to air combat and was relied on to counter the growing F-16A fleet of neighbouring Pakistan. Soviet and Russian jets came to comprise a greater proportion of the Indian fleet from the 1960s, and these fighters were far better placed to contend with American aircraft sold to neighbouring Pakistan as European platforms tended to lag behind in performance relative to those of the two superpowers. A part of the Indian inventory was nevertheless reserved for British and French jets. Of the Indian Air Force’s thirty four fighter squadrons today, these include three squadrons of Mirage 2000 fighters and five squadrons of Jaguar attack jets - or 26% of Indian squadrons with the remaining being Soviet or Russian designs such as the MiG-27 strike fighter or MiG-29 multirole fighter. In 2015, having gone over thirty years without an import order for non-Russian and non-Soviet fighters, the Indian government signed a highly controversial deal worth €7.8 billion ($8.7 billion) to acquire 36 Dassault Rafale ‘4+ generation’ fighters from France - a platform designed to replace the Mirage 2000 in the French fleet.


article_5ce11f19132122_96232351.jpg

Dassault Rafale '4+ Generation' Medium Fighter

India was the first client to show major interest in the Rafale, which had been in French service for almost 15 years with little success at promoting it overseas. At well over $200 million per fighter, the aircraft were far from cost effective even by European standards, with the United States and Russia developing and exporting far more sophisticated and heavier platforms such as the F-15E and Su-35 at a fraction of the cost. In terms of combat capabilities, the Rafale was a medium weight fighter comparable to but more sophisticated than the MiG-29, which was considerably outmatched in its performance by heavier fighters built around specialised air superiority or strike airframes. While the aircraft integrated an advanced active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, the small size of the radar relative to those fitted on heavier aircraft such as the J-20 or F-15SA limited its performance. Although the fighter was marketed as a highly manoeuvrable platform, engine performance was sub standard with French engine technologies appearing to lag several decades behind the United States and Russia with just 75kN of afterburner thrust seriously limited manoeuvrability when fully loaded and contributed to the fighter’s below average speed of Mach 1.8. Lack of thrust vectoring, which had begun to be integrated onto Russian and American jets in the 1990s and 2005 respectively, were also absent on the Rafale which further limited manoeuvrability. The French fighter’s altitude limit was extremely low by the standards of medium weight aircraft at little over 15km, meaning even other medium jets such as the MiG-29 and Eurofighter could fly considerably higher - let alone heavy platforms such the Su-30 and F-15 which were designed to operate at 20km altitudes.


article_5ce121165b3d92_78105863.jpg

Rafale (left) and Su-30MKI Scale Comparison

The administration of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been repeatedly criticised by opposition for the Rafale deal, with the capabilities provided somewhat limited and the costs of the acquisition considered highly excessive. While supporters of the Rafale acquisition have claimed that the fighter would be the most capable in the Indian inventory, this claim remains highly questionable particularly when the aircraft is compared to the Su-30MKI - which currently forms the bulk fo the Indian fleet with twelve squadrons in service. This advanced Russian ‘4+ generation’ air superiority jet is among the most capable platforms of its generation in air to air combat, with its performance specifications exceeding those of the Rafale across the spectrum. Able to reach speeds of Mach 2.25, the Russian jet is 25% faster than the Rafale and can operate at altitudes over 30% higher. The fighter further deploys a 40% higher weapons payload and retains considerably superior manoeuvrability due to two dimensional thrust vectoring. Furthermore, the Rafale’s payload of air to air missiles is extremely limited with the fighter currently compatible only the MICA for longer ranged engagements - an ageing medium range design with an 80km range and limited electronic warfare countermeasures relative to more modern platforms. The Su-30MKI by contrast is compatible with some of the most capable air to air missiles developed, including the 110km range R-77 and 130km range R-27ER for long range engagements and the 400km range K-100 designed to engage heavier targets at extreme ranges. The Rafale is slated to deploy the European Meteor missile with a 300km range, though this has yet to be successfully integrated onto the French airframe and its capabilities remain questionable given European manufacturers' lack of experience with such advanced and long ranged munitions relative to the U.S. and Russia. The Su-30MKI is also expected to deploy a new missile in the near future, the R-37M, with a hypersonic speed of Mach 6 and 400km engagement range. The R-37 is currently deployed by Russian MiG-31 Foxhound interceptors, and is the fastest and longest ranged munition of its kind.


article_5ce122cc455174_66843203.png

Indian Air Force Su-30MKI


The advantage in quality of armaments further extends to the air to ground and anti shipping roles, with nothing the French platform can deploy being remotely compere to the Mach 3 BrahMos cruise missiles deployed by the Su-30MKI. New variants of these missiles are set to field hypersonic capabilities in the near future - with no remotely comparable developments in munitions announced for the Rafale. Despite the overwhelming superiority of the Su-30MKI, the Rafale’s cost is over four times as high and the Russian platform. Furthermore, the European jet cannot be jointly manufactured by India in any significant capacity and thus fails to further the goals of the Make in India initiative - where the Su-30 is not only jointly manufactured but in the case of many batches is fully built in India and modified to integrate indigenous Indian technologies. While the Su-30 has proven versatile enough to integrate systems from Europe, India and Russia, the Rafale by contrast is restricted solely to European armaments with even U.S. and Indian systems incompatible.


article_5ce3b396c4dbe3_12285314.jpg

Indian Su-30MKI Fighter Launches BrahMos Cruise Missile


With at least 14 Su-30MKI squadrons already planned, purchasing more of these jets may well not be the best option for the Indian Air Force should it seek to maintain the diversity of its fleet. Nevertheless, the Rafale remains far from an ideal choice, with many alternative options for medium and light fighters far more attractive in terms of performance and cost effectiveness. These include the Russian MiG-35 and American F-35A and F-16E which in the case of the first two boast far superior capabilities to the Rafale at a considerably lower cost. The MiG-35 for its part surpasses the Rafale’s capabilities across the spectrum, integrating comparable sensors with an AESA radar of its own and three dimensional thrust vectoring systems for manoeuvrability unrivalled by other jets in its weight range. The fighter’s compatibility with the active phased array antenna (APAA) guided K-77 air to air missiles and extremely low maintenance requirements further make it attractive, as is Russia’s willingness to transfer technologies, adjust the deign to suit Indian specifications and manufacture the aircraft jointly. While the F-35 has a number of drawbacks including high maintenance and heavy reliance on connectedness to an American centred network - which at timesposes a serious security risk to operators - the fighter’s advanced stealth capabilities and powerful sensors make it a force to be reckoned with and one of the most formidable platforms of its weight range. It is also cheaper and arguably far more cost effective than the Rafale. Modernisation of the indigenous HAL Tejas single engine light fighter design which entered service in 2018, a light AESA radar equipped jet with capabilities in some ways comparable to the American F-16, is another option which could yield perhaps the most cost effective results for the Indian Air Force and the best for its defence sector. Ultimately while options to replace the Rafale are many, acquiring further batches of the extremely costly fighters remains far from the best choice for the Indian Air Force to modernise its fleet's capabilities.

And then you have ACM Modi saying, 'If India had Rafales, Pakistan wouldn't have inflicted so much damage'. !!!
Thank God they didn't warna oski izzat ka bhi falooda nikaljata.
 
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When deals are announced, some things get clubbed together i.e. spares, training, Tot in this case, ammo. So this figure of $242m/unit might not be very realistic.


Thank God they didn't warna oski izzat ka bhi falooda nikaljata.
Even add spares for 5 years and weapons.. it is still too expensive and that is why there's a case against Modi in their SC.
 
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Even add spares for 5 years and weapons.. it is still too expensive and that is why there's a case against Modi in their SC.
No its not that expensive as it appears ...

It includes integration cost of Rafael with the command and control infrastructure of India including the nuclear command and control network ...

It also include an offset clause which means Rafael will be investing something back in India that will help the economy ..
 
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France's Rafale May Not be the Best Choice for the Indian Air Force
May-21st-2019



The Indian Air Force has a long history of operating European military aircraft, most notably the Mirage 2000 which until the induction of the heavier MiG-29 in 1985 was considered the country’s most capable fighter for air to air combat and was relied on to counter the growing F-16A fleet of neighbouring Pakistan. Soviet and Russian jets came to comprise a greater proportion of the Indian fleet from the 1960s, and these fighters were far better placed to contend with American aircraft sold to neighbouring Pakistan as European platforms tended to lag behind in performance relative to those of the two superpowers. A part of the Indian inventory was nevertheless reserved for British and French jets. Of the Indian Air Force’s thirty four fighter squadrons today, these include three squadrons of Mirage 2000 fighters and five squadrons of Jaguar attack jets - or 26% of Indian squadrons with the remaining being Soviet or Russian designs such as the MiG-27 strike fighter or MiG-29 multirole fighter. In 2015, having gone over thirty years without an import order for non-Russian and non-Soviet fighters, the Indian government signed a highly controversial deal worth €7.8 billion ($8.7 billion) to acquire 36 Dassault Rafale ‘4+ generation’ fighters from France - a platform designed to replace the Mirage 2000 in the French fleet.


article_5ce11f19132122_96232351.jpg

Dassault Rafale '4+ Generation' Medium Fighter

India was the first client to show major interest in the Rafale, which had been in French service for almost 15 years with little success at promoting it overseas. At well over $200 million per fighter, the aircraft were far from cost effective even by European standards, with the United States and Russia developing and exporting far more sophisticated and heavier platforms such as the F-15E and Su-35 at a fraction of the cost. In terms of combat capabilities, the Rafale was a medium weight fighter comparable to but more sophisticated than the MiG-29, which was considerably outmatched in its performance by heavier fighters built around specialised air superiority or strike airframes. While the aircraft integrated an advanced active electronically scanned (AESA) radar, the small size of the radar relative to those fitted on heavier aircraft such as the J-20 or F-15SA limited its performance. Although the fighter was marketed as a highly manoeuvrable platform, engine performance was sub standard with French engine technologies appearing to lag several decades behind the United States and Russia with just 75kN of afterburner thrust seriously limited manoeuvrability when fully loaded and contributed to the fighter’s below average speed of Mach 1.8. Lack of thrust vectoring, which had begun to be integrated onto Russian and American jets in the 1990s and 2005 respectively, were also absent on the Rafale which further limited manoeuvrability. The French fighter’s altitude limit was extremely low by the standards of medium weight aircraft at little over 15km, meaning even other medium jets such as the MiG-29 and Eurofighter could fly considerably higher - let alone heavy platforms such the Su-30 and F-15 which were designed to operate at 20km altitudes.


article_5ce121165b3d92_78105863.jpg

Rafale (left) and Su-30MKI Scale Comparison

The administration of Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been repeatedly criticised by opposition for the Rafale deal, with the capabilities provided somewhat limited and the costs of the acquisition considered highly excessive. While supporters of the Rafale acquisition have claimed that the fighter would be the most capable in the Indian inventory, this claim remains highly questionable particularly when the aircraft is compared to the Su-30MKI - which currently forms the bulk fo the Indian fleet with twelve squadrons in service. This advanced Russian ‘4+ generation’ air superiority jet is among the most capable platforms of its generation in air to air combat, with its performance specifications exceeding those of the Rafale across the spectrum. Able to reach speeds of Mach 2.25, the Russian jet is 25% faster than the Rafale and can operate at altitudes over 30% higher. The fighter further deploys a 40% higher weapons payload and retains considerably superior manoeuvrability due to two dimensional thrust vectoring. Furthermore, the Rafale’s payload of air to air missiles is extremely limited with the fighter currently compatible only the MICA for longer ranged engagements - an ageing medium range design with an 80km range and limited electronic warfare countermeasures relative to more modern platforms. The Su-30MKI by contrast is compatible with some of the most capable air to air missiles developed, including the 110km range R-77 and 130km range R-27ER for long range engagements and the 400km range K-100 designed to engage heavier targets at extreme ranges. The Rafale is slated to deploy the European Meteor missile with a 300km range, though this has yet to be successfully integrated onto the French airframe and its capabilities remain questionable given European manufacturers' lack of experience with such advanced and long ranged munitions relative to the U.S. and Russia. The Su-30MKI is also expected to deploy a new missile in the near future, the R-37M, with a hypersonic speed of Mach 6 and 400km engagement range. The R-37 is currently deployed by Russian MiG-31 Foxhound interceptors, and is the fastest and longest ranged munition of its kind.


article_5ce122cc455174_66843203.png

Indian Air Force Su-30MKI


The advantage in quality of armaments further extends to the air to ground and anti shipping roles, with nothing the French platform can deploy being remotely compere to the Mach 3 BrahMos cruise missiles deployed by the Su-30MKI. New variants of these missiles are set to field hypersonic capabilities in the near future - with no remotely comparable developments in munitions announced for the Rafale. Despite the overwhelming superiority of the Su-30MKI, the Rafale’s cost is over four times as high and the Russian platform. Furthermore, the European jet cannot be jointly manufactured by India in any significant capacity and thus fails to further the goals of the Make in India initiative - where the Su-30 is not only jointly manufactured but in the case of many batches is fully built in India and modified to integrate indigenous Indian technologies. While the Su-30 has proven versatile enough to integrate systems from Europe, India and Russia, the Rafale by contrast is restricted solely to European armaments with even U.S. and Indian systems incompatible.


article_5ce3b396c4dbe3_12285314.jpg

Indian Su-30MKI Fighter Launches BrahMos Cruise Missile


With at least 14 Su-30MKI squadrons already planned, purchasing more of these jets may well not be the best option for the Indian Air Force should it seek to maintain the diversity of its fleet. Nevertheless, the Rafale remains far from an ideal choice, with many alternative options for medium and light fighters far more attractive in terms of performance and cost effectiveness. These include the Russian MiG-35 and American F-35A and F-16E which in the case of the first two boast far superior capabilities to the Rafale at a considerably lower cost. The MiG-35 for its part surpasses the Rafale’s capabilities across the spectrum, integrating comparable sensors with an AESA radar of its own and three dimensional thrust vectoring systems for manoeuvrability unrivalled by other jets in its weight range. The fighter’s compatibility with the active phased array antenna (APAA) guided K-77 air to air missiles and extremely low maintenance requirements further make it attractive, as is Russia’s willingness to transfer technologies, adjust the deign to suit Indian specifications and manufacture the aircraft jointly. While the F-35 has a number of drawbacks including high maintenance and heavy reliance on connectedness to an American centred network - which at timesposes a serious security risk to operators - the fighter’s advanced stealth capabilities and powerful sensors make it a force to be reckoned with and one of the most formidable platforms of its weight range. It is also cheaper and arguably far more cost effective than the Rafale. Modernisation of the indigenous HAL Tejas single engine light fighter design which entered service in 2018, a light AESA radar equipped jet with capabilities in some ways comparable to the American F-16, is another option which could yield perhaps the most cost effective results for the Indian Air Force and the best for its defence sector. Ultimately while options to replace the Rafale are many, acquiring further batches of the extremely costly fighters remains far from the best choice for the Indian Air Force to modernise its fleet's capabilities.

And then you have ACM Modi saying, 'If India had Rafales, Pakistan wouldn't have inflicted so much damage'. !!!
It's after all their concern not ours. Talk about our jets. Is Jf17 the best choice for PAF?
 
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Can Pakistan not go for a MiG-35 with Chinese radar, weapons, EW and avionics fit?
-Would provide a high speed, high altitude BVR platform that can shoot at range
-A cheap solution compared to anything that can play a similar role (Eurofighter, Su-35, J-10C)
-Would have parts and engine commonality with the JF-17
 
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When deals are announced, some things get clubbed together i.e. spares, training, Tot in this case, ammo. So this figure of $242m/unit might not be very realistic.


Thank God they didn't warna oski izzat ka bhi falooda nikaljata.
sir is uAE buying rafies?
 
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Can Pakistan not go for a MiG-35 with Chinese radar, weapons, EW and avionics fit?
-Would provide a high speed, high altitude BVR platform that can shoot at range
-A cheap solution compared to anything that can play a similar role (Eurofighter, Su-35, J-10C)
-Would have parts and engine commonality with the JF-17
Why not J10C, J11 or J16, or if we have to get MiG 35, why do you want to modify them and complicate things. MiG 35 comes with an AESA radar.

What do you mean?
A teenager who wants the toys of his choice :D
 
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Why not J10C, J11 or J16, or if we have to get MiG 35, why do you want to modify them and complicate things. MiG 35 comes with an AESA radar.

Hi War&Peace,

1. Why not J-10C? Costs 60 million a piece and doesn't share the RD series engine. Meaning a lot of investment in maintaining the maintenance intensive AL-31 series.

2. Why not J-11, J-16, etc. Expensive, and huge maintenance burdens

3. Why not Russian AESA: Low quality, and the TR modules are not of the same technology standard. EW and other equipment again a problem. Plus, using the KLJ-7A and the basic fit of the JF-17 Block 3 (scaled up: AESAs are quite scalable) you would again share the same logistics and maintenance ease.
 
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Can Pakistan not go for a MiG-35 with Chinese radar, weapons, EW and avionics fit?
-Would provide a high speed, high altitude BVR platform that can shoot at range
-A cheap solution compared to anything that can play a similar role (Eurofighter, Su-35, J-10C)
-Would have parts and engine commonality with the JF-17
Migs r not cheap ... life cycle cost is very high
 
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