Rafale jets are not enough to face Pakistani JF 17: Shahid Latif

[batmannow]

After watching this sort of usual stuff from Pakistan one thing comes to my mind.

I know you guys love Indian defense analysists like Praveen shahaney, Ajai Shukla or Abhijit Iyer-Mitra and they are famous on PDF for obvious reasons.

But is there anyone in Pakistan who does similar critical analysis of Pakistani military, please name one if you know.


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Why not pakistani society is more vocal then Indians who trust every single media shyt created for BJP?
We pakistanis object loud and clear and matter of fact is, no one in pakistani former and present leadership are above the criticle view of the peoples of Pakistan! Our media is more loud and attacking our govts not just the present one?
And stood against everyone whenever the time comes, and for that they kept suffering highly!
If you know well about pakistan nd enough!
What shahid latif is saying right now the equation is in pakistans hands cause it has more modern and young fleet of fighter jets and when india will hve its 36 rafaels PAF may hve 50 to 60 JF17 BLK 3 Flying in the skies!
& what you think PAF will be just stop on that?
As our air chief said india has begun the arms race then T, here are some deals and talks done by PAKISTAN and Russia a year back for a reason, which thier depty defence minster acknowledged well what they have offerd to pakistan?
Go and chcek it, and if u think Russia is happy with your Rafael deal with France and is happy to see you sitting in the middle of trumps hairy legs my friend, Russians are the most cold blooded animals of human race, they will let u taste ur own medicine soon!

 

[Ghost 125]

Can any conclusive doctrine be derived from 30 minutes air skirmish where there was complete mismatch in force strength on both sides??


Are MKI and M2Ks upgraded really superior to F-16 block52 armed with AMRAAM 120-C missiles?

Also they were only four in numbers compared to 24 PAF f-16s and JF17s menacing on them.

The fact is IAF had to scamble old Mig21s from Srinagar in haste as they were the closest to point of intrusion. Had Su30 were stationed in Srinagar as they currently are, situation would've been different. Of course, pakistan would have tried different strategy for it.

By the time it was over, two dozen Su30s and Mig29s had arrived in Kashmiri airspace but had to go back as there was no further attempt of intrusion by PAF.

two things...
MKIs and M2ks didnt face block 52s
getting outnumbered by a foe half ur size is not justifiable by any standard. it means u were out classed out played.

 

[Suriya]

two things...
MKIs and M2ks didnt face block 52s
getting outnumbered by a foe half ur size is not justifiable by any standard. it means u were out classed out played.

Yes, in a 30 minute air war if there is anything like that.

 

[Ghost 125]

Yes, in a 30 minute air war if there is anything like that.

well.. lets just say that for 30 minutes IAF was indeed out numbered and out classed

 

[Hayreddin]

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Shahid latif knows what he says . Jft II already been pitched against top notch jets during various excercises and its perfomance was astonishing and kill ratio was equal or in some cases more . Jets like f15 , f18 , J11 , su 30 MKK and who knows it has already faced qatari rafael and during 27 feb and before tht during CAPs jft II broke locks of su30 and Mirages many times and locking them , jaming su30 radars and missile launch
And remember i m talking about jft block 2 and now you can calculate and guess situation after jft block 3 .....

 

[Trango Towers]

I wonder if Pakistan has thought about buying a single Rafale from some friendly countries under the table

Why when our pilots know the aircraft

 

[Ghost 125]

30 minutes were of great value since india was on agend of creating new normal...it failed to create a new normal becoz of thrashing of just 30 minutes and then no retaliation.

 

[Jugger]

I just want IAF to succeed like it did during Kargil war, pounding enemy position without any resistance from PAF.
I don’t care what happens in smaller skirmishes like 27th Feb or Atlantique incident of 1999.

 

[redtom]

The Rafale is a good fighter. But don’t let it take on too hard work.When it was born, its main opponents were Su-27 and MiG-29.At that time jf17 was just beginning.At that time, the Rafale was the best fighter. But 20 years have passed.JF17's new radar has reached the level of F35.

Of course, we should admit that Rafale is still better than JF17 in comprehensive capabilities.But how can only 36 planes compete with a larger number of blk3?

 

[MastanKhan]

27th February 2019 proved that now air warfare is about system and doctrine Vs system and doctrine and on that day superior birds like MKI and M2Ks upgraded were not able to do anything, so it's not just Rafael or JFT it's much more then that.

Hi,

Only proved it for the FOOLS living in a dillusional world---otherwise I had written about it 15 years prior to this happening---in detail and the number of aircrafts involved---.

I became the target by the illiterate pakistanis---. Nothing strange---.

 

[litman]

sometimes even shahid latif does a lot of "hawae firing". we must admit the reality. rafale is a brilliant 4th gen jet. definitely better then JFT in almost every aspect. more range, better radar, better weapons, better payload, better avionics etc. it has given IAF an edge but it is not a game changer. JFT once gets the PL 15 and AESA radar will be able to effectively challenge the rafale while defending the pak air space. i think shahid latif should say that we can neutralize rafale by using the right tactics and planning. he was the project director of JFT so probably thats why he brags too much about JFT. it is a good start for the PAF but it is not raptor. be realistic.

 

[Bossman]

Serving IAF officers don't do that.
Praising of Rafale done by retired experts in the media and some also did do realistic assessment.

Technology is also evolving for Rafales. The ones India getting are the latest version of Rafales. Obviously, it has enough scope for upgradation in future. Heck, IAF also upgrading Mirage 2000s and especially Su30s with AESA radars .


By the time PAF inducts block 3s, IAF also would have inducted 83 homemade Tejas-mk1 with AESA radars.

Rafales cost $260 mm and Mirage upgrade costs more the original price of the plane. If Indian get pleasure in being taken for a ride by the French and your politicians/military we are happy for you. Go buy more stuff from the French. For the price of one Rafale Pakistan can get half a squadron of JF17s. IAF will have destroy 9 JF17s to offset loss of one Rafale. So you guys have lost even before the fighting started.

 

[tkmd]

After watching this sort of usual stuff from Pakistan one thing comes to my mind.

I know you guys love Indian defense analysists like Praveen shahaney, Ajai Shukla or Abhijit Iyer-Mitra and they are famous on PDF for obvious reasons.

But is there anyone in Pakistan who does similar critical analysis of Pakistani military, please name one if you know.


@Windjammer @The Eagle @LeGenD @Vapnope @PanzerKiel
@masterchief_mirza
@Major Sam
@PakSword @Blacklight @Hareeb @DESERT FIGHTER @araz @Rafi @Zarvan @waz @M.AsfandYar @Basel @IceCold @crankthatskunk @airomerix
@MastanKhan @FOOLS_NIGHTMARE

None of our military analysts/experts claim the type of ridiculous things that Indian experts generally do. That is the key difference. Our senior politicians and military officers do not say we are ready to break India into 10 pieces or take back IOK. Our civilian commentators don’t claim that we can walk into Rajasthan unchallenged bc of some magic weapons platform.

 

[mig25]

Both sides are essentially playing similar tunes. India will always show off its newest weapon system which is seriously potent regardless of what Pakistanis think. Pakistan is showing off its only weapon system (For now) that can be upgraded with AESA and longer range BVRs since it does not have anything else to compare as an apple to apple - read its as medium class Vs medium class.

If and when PAF will acquire a true medium class aircraft, expect it play its music louder.

 

[Deltadart]

30 minutes were of great value since india was on agend of creating new normal...it failed to create a new normal becoz of thrashing of just 30 minutes and then no retaliation.

Let me play the devils', aka, indians advocate here. To indians just the mere fact that they manged to conduct a bungled strike in pakistan was enough for chest thumping and their nazi leaders got as much political milage out of it as possible. Their fascist media and their docile public believes every single word of the version that was spoon fed to them by their establishment.
Their new normal is based on the events of 2/26, and totally disregards the events of the next day, 2/27. Poor babies are whining up to this day that it was so unfair to them that Iaf was out numbered in that encounter. how could we do it to them. it is only their birth right to out number Paf in all encounters till eternity.