Rafale Fighters India is Buying Can't Match Chinese Fighters: Russian Envoy

[Omega007]

India wanted a western fighter to buy leverage at the same time. This is why in my view, Typhoon was the best bet since it would have gotten India the leverage with Germany, Spain, Britain and Italy in one go.

Yeah and then deal with four separate nations when we need some upgrade or customization or something??Thanks......but no,thanks.

 

[deepak.chauhan2312]

Don't know about a woman with 4 husbands, but 4 wives, you get the party on!!

Mahabharata happens

 

[Jon Snow]

If he meant the Su-35BM then maybe it could be argued that the Rafale is inferior (and that too only in A2A mode), but as soon as the Rafale gets the meteor (which hopefully India will get too) it can go toe to toe with any fighter(4.5gen) in the world

 

[Ragnar]

Russians are beginning to get naughty.. Have a feeling that PAKFA/FGFA will haunt India in the future. Sukhois are a legacy of the cold war era when Soviet military R&D matched US levels. They are now falling rapidly behind. And we have the Chinese threat to worry about. Better wriggle out of this mess and induct F-35 by 2025 when that platform would have matured.

Chinese Su 27's suck. 80's technology compared to Rafale.
As do their PAK-FA. India should buy F-35 while it still can.

 

[vk17]

Its ok to buy few US defence product for some Strategic Favours but why are we going for-
"Gold Plated Rafael "

To save French Aviation Industry, why to waste Indian tax payers money.

We have strong Airforce with detterence for another 5 years by then we will have our PAK- FA.

Instead India should built more MKIs and invest more on our own AMCA and have Israel and French collabration for that, it will gives us two simultaneous platform for advance fighter, also our Aircraft industry will gain vital experience. In future we will have to spend in AMCA, why not now only

World is dying to have Stealth featured 5th Gen aircraft and we are spending billions on Rafael

 

[mike2000]

Russia has provide a Nuclear Sub to India, for a second time, so they continue to remain the most important friend India has. They have earned the right to say such things, US/EU has not.

Russia is still far more reliable than US/EU will ever be.

India will continue to have great relationship with Russia, of that I have no dubt. Only we will continue to diversify our weapon grade to suite our best interests. Indo-Russian strategic relationship is ensured by the rise of China. Now unless China disintegrates, it will continue to be so.

lool You think Russia will take India's side in case you have a conflict with China? My friend you seem not to understand that in geo politics there are no friends, only interests. Russia has by far more common interests with China than it does with India. They both want to reduce western/U.S influence in their respective sphere of influence(Eastern Europe and Asia) and are hostile to any U.S unilateral moves in the world. Meanwhile India has no such views, In fact India has no problem with our continued dominance as far as we give you some spacetransfer more tech. This can be seen in the formation of BRICS bank, Russia favoured China hosting the headquarters from the start since the knew the Chinese are the biggets economic entity in the group and will contribute more than other, only India refused to accept such an idea.lol This is just one example in which Russia knows it needs the Chinese to counter us in the west/U.S . same with the new deals Russia is now signing with China from economic/financial to cultural partnerships, since we imposed sanctions on Russia for their agression in Ukraine.

To be honest India has no common interests with Russia apart from a seller-buyer military relationship and TOT, thats it. they have no strategic common interests at all. India will do well to get closer to the U.S/WEST than with Russia. For we will support India in the event of conflict with China, but Russia won't believe me, im sure you yourself know this. So talk of India strategic relationship being ensured by Chinas rise is all but laughable. Russia is just doing business with you since she gets most of dollars from their sale of weapons to you.lol thats it.

You say Russia has earned the right to be most important 'FRIEND' to India.loool I told you never to mentioned friend in politics. Only interests are involve. Russia/U.S.S.R did support /provide India with critical weapons systems simply because it was in their interests to do so, since India provided them with a viable alliance to deal with the U.S/China and Pakistan in the region etc. Even now Russia continues to supply you weapons not because they consider you as friend.lol simply because you provide them with necessary dollars needed for them to further/improve their military industry. This is even more so since after the collapse of the U.S.S.R Russia was broke and short of funds, and even now Russia has nothing much to export apart from their soviet era weapons and oil/gas. So they dont have much choice tbh. So lets be realistic bro. Russia is no friend of India, In fact no country in the world is a friend of the other, just interests are friends of countries.lool

 

[SQ8]

Coincidently, the Ambassador totally forgot to mention the MKI which as such as a better Flanker derivative compared to anything the Chinese purchased from Russia.

 

[mike2000]

Its ok to buy few US defence product for some Strategic Favours but why are we going for-
"Gold Plated Rafael "

To save French Aviation Industry, why to waste Indian tax payers money.

We have strong Airforce with detterence for another 5 years by then we will have our PAK- FA.

Instead India should built more MKIs and invest more on our own AMCA and have Israel and French collabration for that, it will gives us two simultaneous platform for advance fighter, also our Aircraft industry will gain vital experience. In future we will have to spend in AMCA, why not now only

World is dying to have Stealth featured 5th Gen aircraft and we are spending billions on Rafael

I think the Eurofighter will have been better for India, and even more so India going for F-35 will be even more better.
India should have done this while investing more into their own AMCA, but i dont think India has the capability to build a fifth generation fighter alone(see LCA), you people could partner with France or Israel or even U.S to achieve that. im sure they will be willing to cooperate with india in this regard,since they have no hostility towards india(as far as you can pay). PAKFA with Russia might turn out to be a headache for India, judging by all the delays and issues Russia seems to be having with India(as we can see from ambassador comments) as India gets closer to the west/U.S

 

[IPL5]

I think the Eurofighter will have been better for India, and even more so India going for F-35 will be even more better.
India should have done this while investing more into their own AMCA, but i dont think India has the capability to build a fifth generation fighter alone(see LCA), you people could partner with France or Israel or even U.S to achieve that. im sure they will be willing to cooperate with india in this regard,since they have no hostility towards india(as far as you can pay). PAKFA with Russia might turn out to be a headache for India, judging by all the delays and issues Russia seems to be having with India(as we can see from ambassador comments) as India gets closer to the west/U.S

dude, eurofighter has some serious structural issues

Eurofighters hit by manufacturing issue - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

I think the Eurofighter will have been better for India,

Eurofighter performance in Libya was not independent. Eurofighter depended on panavia tornadoes to perform SEAD roles unlike Rafales, which were completely independent.

In other words India will not only have to buy Eurofighters, but also more aircrafts for SEAD role

and Eurofighter strangely has no ASEA radar.

and even more so India going for F-35 will be even more better.

Is F-35 complete? If yes can India afford them? Also what level freedom will India have with US being the seller?

India should have done this while investing more into their own AMCA, but i dont think India has the capability to build a fifth generation fighter alone(see LCA), you people could partner with France or Israel or even U.S to achieve that.

US has no purpose for a JV with India.

Israel has limited or no experience with stealth.

Not sure if France can manage such a program

im sure they will be willing to cooperate with india in this regard,since they have no hostility towards india(as far as you can pay). PAKFA with Russia might turn out to be a headache for India, judging by all the delays and issues Russia seems to be having with India(as we can see from ambassador comments) as India gets closer to the west/U.S

PAKFA is needed by Russia as well. And Indian share of funding for the program is within their interest.

 

[The Great One]

lool You think Russia will take India's side in case you have a conflict with China? My friend you seem not to understand that in geo politics there are no friends, only interests. Russia has by far more common interests with China than it does with India. They both want to reduce western/U.S influence in their respective sphere of influence(Eastern Europe and Asia) and are hostile to any U.S unilateral moves in the world. Meanwhile India has no such views, In fact India has no problem with our continued dominance as far as we give you some spacetransfer more tech. This can be seen in the formation of BRICS bank, Russia favoured China hosting the headquarters from the start since the knew the Chinese are the biggets economic entity in the group and will contribute more than other, only India refused to accept such an idea.lol This is just one example in which Russia knows it needs the Chinese to counter us in the west/U.S . same with the new deals Russia is now signing with China from economic/financial to cultural partnerships, since we imposed sanctions on Russia for their agression in Ukraine.

To be honest India has no common interests with Russia apart from a seller-buyer military relationship and TOT, thats it. they have no strategic common interests at all. India will do well to get closer to the U.S/WEST than with Russia. For we will support India in the event of conflict with China, but Russia won't believe me, im sure you yourself know this. So talk of India strategic relationship being ensured by Chinas rise is all but laughable. Russia is just doing business with you since she gets most of dollars from their sale of weapons to you.lol thats it.

You say Russia has earned the right to be most important 'FRIEND' to India.loool I told you never to mentioned friend in politics. Only interests are involve. Russia/U.S.S.R did support /provide India with critical weapons systems simply because it was in their interests to do so, since India provided them with a viable alliance to deal with the U.S/China and Pakistan in the region etc. Even now Russia continues to supply you weapons not because they consider you as friend.lol simply because you provide them with necessary dollars needed for them to further/improve their military industry. This is even more so since after the collapse of the U.S.S.R Russia was broke and short of funds, and even now Russia has nothing much to export apart from their soviet era weapons and oil/gas. So they dont have much choice tbh. So lets be realistic bro. Russia is no friend of India, In fact no country in the world is a friend of the other, just interests are friends of countries.lool

What about UK and 'Murica. Are you guys friends or has Britannia been reduced to America's bitchh.

 

[vk17]

I think the Eurofighter will have been better for India, and even more so India going for F-35 will be even more better.
India should have done this while investing more into their own AMCA, but i dont think India has the capability to build a fifth generation fighter alone(see LCA), you people could partner with France or Israel or even U.S to achieve that. im sure they will be willing to cooperate with india in this regard,since they have no hostility towards india(as far as you can pay). PAKFA with Russia might turn out to be a headache for India, judging by all the delays and issues Russia seems to be having with India(as we can see from ambassador comments) as India gets closer to the west/U.S

Brother!! no Rafael means no EF or F-18 or Gripen. Instead of spending on multiple platforms, we should work on adding more lethality to established platforms as MKIs. And invest for indigenous venture with help from Israel, France and Russia.

NO ONE except US and Russian have true 5th gen fighter craft building ability. China J-20 is also MiG-1.44, which Russia gifted to China as to comensate PAK-FA with India, though ofcourse with major Chinese indigenous inputs.

F-35 is dud untill there is substantial competitive fighter craft in market for sale as PAK-FA. Till then US will like Raptor to have numero uno status.

 

[Malik Usman]

LOL, why is an ambassador talking like a Chinese PDF member?

They are angry coz you peoples ditch them........

 

[janon]

They are angry coz you peoples ditch them........

Even so, his statements sound so very idiotic.

Besides, we still have a lot of military deals with Russia, including the 5th gen project.

 

[SpArK]

Why didnt he say it cant match a Russian fighter?

Modi Putin summit which is coming is going to be a bigger one than Obama.... until then there will a lot of talkings from envoys like the good old aussies cricket players sledge in media before an overseas tour .